The kingdom

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EdJ.

Its good to disagree,but correct it with scriptures.
Show me where I have gone wrong.
If I am wrong,then I am wrong,and I will thank you for putting me straight,but so far non have done that.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

The Roman Empire is the “SIXTH EMPIRE”.
Here is a list of the seven world Empires…

1. Egypt
2. Assyrian
3. Babylonian
4. Medo-Persian
5. Grecian
6. Roman
7. Ottoman – 8. Muhammadin-islam.

I have posted the maps, did you not see them?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Thanks Ed.

Can you show scriptures that the iron has turned into a muslem empire?
That the legs has changed religion? From christian to muslem.At what point in time did this occur.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

The question is wrong.
The stone made without hands
destroyed Nebuchadnezzar's statue.

Now, the Leopard-bear-lion-beast of Rev.13:1-3
continues the story, but in a different more comprehensive
way; pointing to the source (red dragon) of these world conquest schemes.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 4, 2012 at 12:36 am#314485

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EdJ.

Its good to disagree,but correct it with scriptures.
Show me where I have gone wrong.
If I am wrong,then I am wrong,and I will thank you for putting me straight,but so far non have done that.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

The Roman Empire is the “SIXTH EMPIRE”.
Here is a list of the seven world Empires…

1. Egypt
2. Assyrian
3. Babylonian
4. Medo-Persian
5. Grecian
6. Roman
7. Ottoman – 8. Muhammadin-islam.

I have posted the maps, did you not see them?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Thanks Ed.

Can you show scriptures that the iron has turned into a muslem empire?
That the legs has changed religion? From christian to muslem.At what point in time did this occur.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

The question is wrong.
The stone made without hands
destroyed Nebuchadnezzar's statue.

Now, the Leopard-bear-lion-beast of Rev.13:1-3
continues the story, but in a different more comprehensive
way; pointing to the source (red dragon) of these world conquest schemes.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj.

You must study rev.13 re,the leopard body; the bears feet; and the lions mouth.(these are just symbols).

1.Leopard body is the system of this beast;and that is democracy.(greek),which we are under today.

2.The bears feet symbolises the crushing power.
In Daniel it says;rise up and devour much flesh,and this beast of rev.13 will devour much flesh.

3. The mouth of a lion symbolises the pride of king Darius,and his great words,untill his wings were clipped.
Because he saw Daniel saved from the lions, by the power of God,and he was humbled.

wakeup.

October 4, 2012 at 12:55 am#314491

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EdJ.

Its good to disagree,but correct it with scriptures.
Show me where I have gone wrong.
If I am wrong,then I am wrong,and I will thank you for putting me straight,but so far non have done that.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

The Roman Empire is the “SIXTH EMPIRE”.
Here is a list of the seven world Empires…

1. Egypt
2. Assyrian
3. Babylonian
4. Medo-Persian
5. Grecian
6. Roman
7. Ottoman – 8. Muhammadin-islam.

I have posted the maps, did you not see them?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Thanks Ed.

Can you show scriptures that the iron has turned into a muslem empire?
That the legs has changed religion? From christian to muslem.At what point in time did this occur.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

The question is wrong.
The stone made without hands
destroyed Nebuchadnezzar's statue.

Now, the Leopard-bear-lion-beast of Rev.13:1-3
continues the story, but in a different more comprehensive
way; pointing to the source (red dragon) of these world conquest schemes.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj.

You must study rev.13 re,the leopard body; the bears feet; and the lions mouth.(these are just symbols).

1.Leopard body is the system of this beast;and that is democracy.(greek),which we are under today.

2.The bears feet symbolises the crushing power.
In Daniel it says;rise up and devour much flesh,and this beast of rev.13 will devour much flesh.

3. The mouth of a lion symbolises the pride of king Darius,and his great words,untill his wings were clipped.
Because he saw Daniel saved from the lions, by the power of God,and he was humbled.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

No the leopard-bear-lion-beast occupies the following countries…

1. (Lion) Babylonian Empire – now Iraq
2. (Bear) Persia Empire – now Iran
3. (Leopard) Grecian Empire – now Turkey

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 4, 2012 at 1:48 am#314497

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 04 2012,10:29)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 04 2012,10:10)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 04 2012,09:50)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 04 2012,09:41)

EdJ.

Its good to disagree,but correct it with scriptures.
Show me where I have gone wrong.
If I am wrong,then I am wrong,and I will thank you for putting me straight,but so far non have done that.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

The Roman Empire is the “SIXTH EMPIRE”.
Here is a list of the seven world Empires…

1. Egypt
2. Assyrian
3. Babylonian
4. Medo-Persian
5. Grecian
6. Roman
7. Ottoman – 8. Muhammadin-islam.

I have posted the maps, did you not see them?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Thanks Ed.

Can you show scriptures that the iron has turned into a muslem empire?
That the legs has changed religion? From christian to muslem.At what point in time did this occur.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

The question is wrong.
The stone made without hands
destroyed Nebuchadnezzar's statue.

Now, the Leopard-bear-lion-beast of Rev.13:1-3
continues the story, but in a different more comprehensive
way; pointing to the source (red dragon) of these world conquest schemes.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ.

Will you just concentrate for a minute.

Babylon was not destroyed by the stone without hands.
But was destroyed by the Medes and the Persians.
So you are wrong here.

The Medes and the Persians were not destroyed by the stone without hands either; But by the greecians.
So you are wrong again.

The greecians were not destroyed by the stone without hands; but merges into a new empire; the Roman empire.

This empire is still continuing till today;its called THE NEW ROMAN EMPIRE
It is not destroyed by the stone without hands yet.
HE is still in existence now.
So you are wrong again and again.

This empire will be destroyed at the coming,with the sword out of the Lords mouth.

Wakeup.

October 4, 2012 at 4:13 am#314499

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Hi Wakeup,

I see you are pushing Romans 14:17-18 off into the future.
GREAT, now explain how 1 John 3:9-10 fits into your theory…

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed
remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:
whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,
neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:9-10)

God bless
Ed J

Edj.

Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin;for his seed remained in him:
and he CAN NOT sin,because he is born of God.

Are you having a problem with this scripture?

Who is born of God? Is it not the son of God?

Jesus can not sin; but we can, and we can not exceed him.
We all sin, and fall short of the glory of God.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

A progression away from sin:

1John illustrates a progression away from sin. Starting at 1John 1:8:
“If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”…
Sinners practice sin!

Progressing to 1John 3:9: “Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; For his seed
remainith in him: and he cannot sin (AS A USUAL PRACTICE), because he is borne of God.”
Practice of sin diminishes!

Finishing in 1John 5:18: “We know that whosoever is borne of God SINNETH NOT;
But he that is begotten of God keepeth (GUARDS) himself,
and that wicked one (Satan) toucheth him not.
All sinning STOPS; fulfilling Matt. 5:44! (Eph.4:13)

God bless
Ed J

Edj.

There you are,HE THAT IS BEGOTTEN OF GOD KEEP HIMSELF FROM SIN,but we still CAN sin.

Are we not sinning occasionally?

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

You may be still sinning,
but I stopped sinning long ago.
Once you starve your 'ego' to death,
you will have nothing prompting you to sin.

“But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own (ego) lust, and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished,
bringeth forth death. 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:14-16)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Ed, No man is free from sin. You have misunderstood Christ's message. It is not the lack of sin that makes us perfect, but how we lay the word to heart, how we strive to become perfect in imperfect bodies. And within that striving our love for Him above is revealed, in sincerity, in long suffering, in endurance, in faith, in hope. Our intentions are naked before Him, He knows those who are genuine and hunger for righteousness in their lives for to please Him and Him alone.

No man is free from sin Ed, this is what Christ meant:

Romans 4:8
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Cheers brother.

October 4, 2012 at 4:58 am#314500

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Ed,

The kingdom of God is not yet set up.
You are confusing the spirit within each individual disciple, which is the same spirit that is of the spirit of God of whose abode is the kingdom of heaven.
If we have that spirit in us, that comes from God, whose abode is in the heavenly kingdom of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon us indeed…not the actual kingdom, but the spirit of that kingdom within us.

Can the kingdom of God mix with an ungodly city?

Luke 10:8-11
And into whatsoever CITY ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things that as are set before you: and heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, the kingdom of God is come NIGH (near) unto you. But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same and say, we do wipe off against you, notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come NIGH (near) unto you.

How can a kingdom COME NEAR unto another CITY?
Can a kingdom just get up and walk as though it were not a kingdom?
Or…..do the PEOPLE of that kingdom, having the spirit of that kingdom within them…actually get up and do the walking on that same cities behalf?

Ed, when Christ returns, He is going to RESTORE to Israel a PHYSICAL KINGDOM…for PHYSICAL Jews IN physical Jerusalem.
NOT for the resurrected saints though, these instead inherit the spirit kingdom of God.
TWO different events taking place at the same time Ed!
TWO promises being fulfilled simotaniously.

Cheers brother.

October 4, 2012 at 11:29 am#314509

terraricca

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devo

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Cheers brother.

were in scriptures is this written???

October 4, 2012 at 3:27 pm#314540

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devo

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Cheers brother.

were in scriptures is this written???

Hi Pierre,

Thanks for asking brother, let me start from the milk…

Acts 1:6
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

Think about the implications of the word restore in the question to Jesus.

Restore what kingdom?

Luke 1:32
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Was Davids throne in heaven or was Davids throne a physical throne on earth?

Psalms 132:11
The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.

Who, Solomon? Or…

Acts 2:30
Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

And where was this throne of David?

Jeremiah 22:2
And say, Hear the word of the LORD, O king of Judah, that sittest upon the throne of David, thou, and thy servants, and thy people that enter in by these gates:

The king(s) of Judah sat on this throne too..

1 Kings 1:46
And also Solomon sitteth on the throne of the kingdom.

So did Solomon! Ah, but what is this? Kingdom!, the throne of what kingdom? This kingdom maybe….

Psalms 11:4
The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.

Well David never sat on a throne in heaven, neither did Solomon etc…besides, who could damage or upsurp or take away Gods heavenly throne so it would need restoring in the first place??, well, no one could of course!! So what kingdom is going to be restored? Heaven? Or….

Matthew 25:31
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Huh??? What throne??? Isn't Jesus already sitting on a throne??

Hebrews 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

So Jesus is sitting right now at the right hand of the throne of God…so WHOSE throne room is this?? Well, it is His Fathers!!, so this can not be the throne of David, and every throne is set in a kingdom, Is God going to give up His throne in heaven for Jesus?? Is He going to bow down to Jesus too?? OR…Is God going to give Jesus His OWN throne room to rule over a restored kingdom somewhere else? And if so, where can this somewhere else be? In Heaven where the Father rules, OR…

Acts 15:16
After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

Was Jerusalem in ruins when these words were spoken? NO they were not!! That didn't happen till 70ad!! This was spoken before 70 ad!!…noice the word return and set up…hmmm…
Does Israel of today have a monarchy or a democracy?
Well, Israel of today is a democracy!! therefore, the throne of David can not be restored until Israel once again becomes a monarchy.
And any country ruled by a king is called what?
Here is a clue….The ……. of Saudi Arabia
What is the missing word?
The missing word is kingdom!!
THUS:

Acts 1:6-7
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And He said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father has put in His OWN power.

Mark 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

One should be able to see then, from these last two examples alone, that the kingdom only gets restored at the 2nd coming. And as i have shown, the kingdom is in Jerusalem where the kings of Judah sat, so it is a physical kingdom being spoken of, and that kingdom is no more at the moment, for a kingdom is only a kingdom if a king rules over it, and Israel today is a democracy not a monarchy. But Jesus will be ruling from a throne that David sat on, Jesus at the moment sits on a throne in heaven, David never sat on a throne in heaven, but on earth, and Davids throne was in Jerusalem, the kingdom of Israel, and Davids throne is no more, it is cast down…and the only word to describe the state of this throne when it gets reinstated, is to be called restored, you restore something that is broken or lost (understand what i mean in its full context please), you do not call something alltogether new restored, but something that is reinstated or repaired. And since no man is able to harm/pull down/destroy a heavenly throne/kingdom, then it can only be a physical kingdom being restored

I can give many more scriptures now that i have first made this point Pierre. But i will refrain until you reply.
Thank you brother.

October 4, 2012 at 3:44 pm#314547

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Hi Devolution,

YOU are living in the past, “WE”
are in the process of fulfilling Rev.11:15.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 4, 2012 at 3:57 pm#314554

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Hi Devolution,

YOU are living in the past, “WE”
are in the process of fulfilling Rev.11:15.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

LOL…yes, and at the 7th trump what happens?

Rev 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded, and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ, and He shall reign for ever and ever.

LOL, so thank you Ed for agreeing with me and confirming all i wrote above to Pierre.

Cheers brother.

October 4, 2012 at 4:16 pm#314561

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2012,02:44)

Hi Devolution,

YOU are living in the past, “WE”
are in the process of fulfilling Rev.11:15.

God bless
Ed J

Hi Ed,

LOL…yes, and at the 7th trump what happens?

LOL, so thank you Ed for agreeing with me and confirming all i wrote above to Pierre.

Cheers brother.

Hi Devolution, not so.

God's kingdom is set up

“And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom,
which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people,
but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. (Dan 2:44)

Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands,
and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold;
the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter:
and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.” (Dan 2:45)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 4, 2012 at 5:09 pm#314575

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2012,02:44)

Hi Devolution,

YOU are living in the past, “WE”
are in the process of fulfilling Rev.11:15.

God bless
Ed J

Hi Ed,

LOL…yes, and at the 7th trump what happens?

LOL, so thank you Ed for agreeing with me and confirming all i wrote above to Pierre.

Cheers brother.

Hi Devolution, not so.

God's kingdom is set up

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed,

Regardless that you just quoted Daniel, which is speaking of the coming kingdom of God anyways, You also quoted rev 11:15 of which i am answering.

Are YOU saying that the trumpets have already blown now are you?

Because they have not.

Why?

First, ALL the people of the whole world must be marked to engage in buying and selling, that takes technology Ed…where in history has every person on this planet been marked for buying and selling purposes? And by ONE world ruler at that?
Second, where in history have hail and fire burned up a third part of the earths trees? and all the green grass? in ONE go?
Third, when in history has a comet hit the sea and killed all the fish in said sea, along with the ships in that sea? In ONE go?
Fourth, Where in history has an angel come down and poisoned a third of this worlds fresh waters? Where many men die from it, in ONE go/event?
Fifth, Where in history has the whole world suffered the same weather anomily of great/intense heat? In ONE go?
Sixth, Where in history has the whole population of the world suffered stings from demonic attack in ONE go/event? And for 5 mnths at that?
Seventh, Where in history have all the worlds armies gathered to battle in Megiddo against Jesus Himself?

No, you are the one living in the past Ed, because these are all FUTURE events.

Cheers brother.

October 4, 2012 at 5:39 pm#314588

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Hi Wakeup,

The mystery of God is indeed finished.

“But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should
be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.” (Rev 10:7)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 5, 2012 at 12:08 am#314605

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Hi Wakeup,

The mystery of God is indeed finished.

“But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should
be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.” (Rev 10:7)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

The 1st angel has not even started to blow the trumpet.
And you are talking about the 7th angel has already past.

Those 7 events has not yet started.
Can you quote the 7 scenarios that aready happened?
1.— 5.—
2.— 6.—
3.— 7.—
4.—

wakeup.

October 5, 2012 at 12:19 am#314606

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Hi Wakeup,

What 7 scenarios are you referring to?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 5, 2012 at 12:24 am#314608

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2012,11:19)

Hi Wakeup,

What 7 scenarios are you referring to?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ.

THE 7 TRUMPETS.

wakeup.

October 5, 2012 at 4:23 am#314635