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Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 17 2012,08:48) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,00:43) J42 Quote For the wrath of God has not been poured out yet. Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”what do you think the wrath of God is ?
people do not realize that separation is taking place ,Israel today as nothing to do with any prophecy ,this is not of God or Christ ,
Pierre
Pierre,When Christ came the first time, he did not come to judge, but to give light. That is true and is what the scriptures state.
The second coming will be to judge, and with all power. But it will not be the final judgement, it will be the judgment on Babylon the Great. On all those who are alive at the time of his coming.
The final judgement will be after the 1000 years. The wicked will be thrown into the lake of fire then, whereas only the beast and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire at Christ's second coming. Not the rest. Not then…but later after the millennium.
The separation is taking place, I agree, for Christ will collect and gather all that belongs to him on his return.
Regards
Journey
J42what does it mean ;Jn 3:19 This is the verdict:?
?Pierre
FOR ALL WHO WANT JESUS TRUTH:
AT Mark17:20…..having been as ask by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God should come…..Jesus said to them…The Kingdom of God cometh…NOT WITH OBSERVATION: V21…neither shall they say, lo here or lo there, for, behold, the……KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU!
[Therefore the Kingdom of God is not in Jerusalem, now or ever…unless a man with the kingdom of God within him, is in Jerusalem] The kingdom is within men!
V23:….They shall say unto you..See here…or see there…..GO NOT AFTER THEM….NOR FOLLOW THEM…!
Now Jesus is going to tell them how the Kingdom comes….V24….for as the lightning that shineth out of the one part under heaven…. shineth unto the other part under heaven:….SO SHALL [THE SON OF MAN] BE IN HIS DAY…!
[INSTANTLY…LIKE LIGHTNING……IN THE DAY WHEN A SON OF MAN IS REVEALED!!]
Now here is how the son of man will….COME….!V26…as it was in the days of Noah….so shall it also be in the days of the son of man….! [Days plural, not all in one day]
….V27…they did eat, they drank, and married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the Ark and the flood came and destroyed them all….ALL WHO??…ALL THE EVIL ONES DESTROYED!! EVIL WAS REMOVED FROM THE EARTH!!
KINGDOM OF GOD [v20] according to Jesus is the same as [v30]…the day when A SON OF MAN IS REVEALED!
[INSTANTLY…LIKE LIGHTNING…v30….IN THE DAY WHEN THE SON OF MAN IS REVEALED!!Anyone born of spirit should understand that Jesus[the word of God] comes to each[human] that[wholeheartedly] accepts him, instantly, in a flash, like lightning the son of man is revealed as darkness and evil is removed by the light/truth and salvation is become the enlightened son of man!
Its all the same lesson…accept the truth/Jesus from God and be instantly saved and made whole!! TK
Quote (ftk @ Jan. 17 2012,22:06) FOR ALL WHO WANT JESUS TRUTH: AT Mark17:20…..having been as ask by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God should come…..Jesus said to them…The Kingdom of God cometh…NOT WITH OBSERVATION: V21…neither shall they say, lo here or lo there, for, behold, the……KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU!
[Therefore the Kingdom of God is not in Jerusalem, now or ever…unless a man with the kingdom of God within him, is in Jerusalem] The kingdom is within men!
V23:….They shall say unto you..See here…or see there…..GO NOT AFTER THEM….NOR FOLLOW THEM…!
Now Jesus is going to tell them how the Kingdom comes….V24….for as the lightning that shineth out of the one part under heaven…. shineth unto the other part under heaven:….SO SHALL [THE SON OF MAN] BE IN HIS DAY…!
[INSTANTLY…LIKE LIGHTNING……IN THE DAY WHEN A SON OF MAN IS REVEALED!!]
Now here is how the son of man will….COME….!V26…as it was in the days of Noah….so shall it also be in the days of the son of man….! [Days plural, not all in one day]
….V27…they did eat, they drank, and married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the Ark and the flood came and destroyed them all….ALL WHO??…ALL THE EVIL ONES DESTROYED!! EVIL WAS REMOVED FROM THE EARTH!!
KINGDOM OF GOD [v20] according to Jesus is the same as [v30]…the day when A SON OF MAN IS REVEALED!
[INSTANTLY…LIKE LIGHTNING…v30….IN THE DAY WHEN THE SON OF MAN IS REVEALED!!Anyone born of spirit should understand that Jesus[the word of God] comes to each[human] that[wholeheartedly] accepts him, instantly, in a flash, like lightning the son of man is revealed as darkness and evil is removed by the light/truth and salvation is become the enlightened son of man!
Its all the same lesson…accept the truth/Jesus from God and be instantly saved and made whole!! TK
FTK.The kingdom is inside us building up ready to be change in a wink of an eye,at his coming.
But not too many I am afraid; only the little flock first.
Then the rest,but must go through the fire first,and make the right decision regarding the mark of the beast which many christians and the rich will take. But there will be many christians that will refuse the mark,just a last moment decision.And they will be given white robes,and made clean ,for they were not clean before. Rev.7:14.Christ said 2000yrs ago; the kingdom is at hand.How?
Well they died didnt they;maybe some died a year later,and some 10 yrs later.It is at hand for them and for us also,for we dont know tomorrow,some maybe taken.So it is always at hand.The dead knows no time.The dead 2000yrs ago,when they open thir eyes,its like the same day to them.wakeup.
Wakeup:
Jesus said to Nicodemus, one must be born again….to “see” the “kingdom” of God! The new creation is a man that puts off or down his physical use of the senses and takes on the dreams and visions of “spirit” of God. God is spirit and Gods words are spirit of life. Life giving spirit words from God sent through Jesus to recreate the minds/hearts of men with Gods words recreate flesh & blood, spiritually, in the earth. Jesus now gives us Gods spirit words of truth/life and we lay aside our physical sense learning to be filled with Gods spirit, words, life that come through Jesus. Jesus said his body is truth food and his blood is truth drink. In them is eternal life. If one doesn't lay aside his physical life to take on spirit life he will stay a physical man unto death.
As a man eats(consumes) the flesh/spirit of Jesus, his body becomes the Kingdom of God, the Garden of God, the Temple of God, the Church of God, the body of Christ!! This is the transformation from death to life also called the resurrection of the dead. To the degree a man grows up in Christ is the direct degree he becomes ONE with God/Jesus/Spirit!! If one sows to spirit he becomes spirit more fully. If one sows to physical earthly material goods he will reap a more physical mentality! To whatever degree a man chooses to grow in spirit he may do so. This is the born again, mental transformation process of building the Temple within a human being and ruling his own Kingdom of God from within.
Just as there are billions of differing people on earth so it will be with the Kingdom of God. Each Kingdom will be full of whatever degree of knowledge and understanding that person has chosen to acquire in that lifetime. God gives the spirit without limitations!
Everything God has done for mankind is done, it is finished, by Jesus the lord and given to mankind if they choose to accept it! The future holds whatever man decides to uncover as truth about himself, believe, and accept by faith from God. IMO, TK
Quote (ftk @ Jan. 19 2012,06:54) Wakeup: Jesus said to Nicodemus, one must be born again….to “see” the “kingdom” of God! The new creation is a man that puts off or down his physical use of the senses and takes on the dreams and visions of “spirit” of God. God is spirit and Gods words are spirit of life. Life giving spirit words from God sent through Jesus to recreate the minds/hearts of men with Gods words recreate flesh & blood, spiritually, in the earth. Jesus now gives us Gods spirit words of truth/life and we lay aside our physical sense learning to be filled with Gods spirit, words, life that come through Jesus. Jesus said his body is truth food and his blood is truth drink. In them is eternal life. If one doesn't lay aside his physical life to take on spirit life he will stay a physical man unto death.
As a man eats(consumes) the flesh/spirit of Jesus, his body becomes the Kingdom of God, the Garden of God, the Temple of God, the Church of God, the body of Christ!! This is the transformation from death to life also called the resurrection of the dead. To the degree a man grows up in Christ is the direct degree he becomes ONE with God/Jesus/Spirit!! If one sows to spirit he becomes spirit more fully. If one sows to physical earthly material goods he will reap a more physical mentality! To whatever degree a man chooses to grow in spirit he may do so. This is the born again, mental transformation process of building the Temple within a human being and ruling his own Kingdom of God from within.
Just as there are billions of differing people on earth so it will be with the Kingdom of God. Each Kingdom will be full of whatever degree of knowledge and understanding that person has chosen to acquire in that lifetime. God gives the spirit without limitations!
Everything God has done for mankind is done, it is finished, by Jesus the lord and given to mankind if they choose to accept it! The future holds whatever man decides to uncover as truth about himself, believe, and accept by faith from God. IMO, TK
tkQuote Everything God has done for mankind is done, it is finished, by Jesus the lord and given to mankind if they choose to accept it! The future holds whatever man decides to uncover as truth about himself, believe, and accept by faith from God. IMO, TK this is your own understanding ,and to reach this conclusion you have to become a killer of scriptures ,like all of Revelation,
deny all scope that God and Christ as thought us,during all of scriptures .
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2012,03:10) Quote (ftk @ Jan. 19 2012,06:54) Wakeup: Jesus said to Nicodemus, one must be born again….to “see” the “kingdom” of God! The new creation is a man that puts off or down his physical use of the senses and takes on the dreams and visions of “spirit” of God. God is spirit and Gods words are spirit of life. Life giving spirit words from God sent through Jesus to recreate the minds/hearts of men with Gods words recreate flesh & blood, spiritually, in the earth. Jesus now gives us Gods spirit words of truth/life and we lay aside our physical sense learning to be filled with Gods spirit, words, life that come through Jesus. Jesus said his body is truth food and his blood is truth drink. In them is eternal life. If one doesn't lay aside his physical life to take on spirit life he will stay a physical man unto death.
As a man eats(consumes) the flesh/spirit of Jesus, his body becomes the Kingdom of God, the Garden of God, the Temple of God, the Church of God, the body of Christ!! This is the transformation from death to life also called the resurrection of the dead. To the degree a man grows up in Christ is the direct degree he becomes ONE with God/Jesus/Spirit!! If one sows to spirit he becomes spirit more fully. If one sows to physical earthly material goods he will reap a more physical mentality! To whatever degree a man chooses to grow in spirit he may do so. This is the born again, mental transformation process of building the Temple within a human being and ruling his own Kingdom of God from within.
Just as there are billions of differing people on earth so it will be with the Kingdom of God. Each Kingdom will be full of whatever degree of knowledge and understanding that person has chosen to acquire in that lifetime. God gives the spirit without limitations!
Everything God has done for mankind is done, it is finished, by Jesus the lord and given to mankind if they choose to accept it! The future holds whatever man decides to uncover as truth about himself, believe, and accept by faith from God. IMO, TK
tkQuote Everything God has done for mankind is done, it is finished, by Jesus the lord and given to mankind if they choose to accept it! The future holds whatever man decides to uncover as truth about himself, believe, and accept by faith from God. IMO, TK this is your own understanding ,and to reach this conclusion you have to become a killer of scriptures ,like all of Revelation,
deny all scope that God and Christ as thought us,during all of scriptures .
Pierre
Pierre: I have read the “scriptures” you claim proclaim your truth and they do because you cut and paste them to make them form up or follow some doctrine you see a certain way.As near as I can tell you haven't a clue as to what the revelation of John is actually saying. But who's going to argue, they don't have a clue what it says either.
I give you scriptures from Jesus himself that say that all the law and the prophets and the psalms were scriptures about the coming of Jesus….and you ignore them!
I give you scriptures from Jesus that say the Kingdom is come, now and the entire plan of God was finished in Jesus but since it doesn't fit your misfit conglomeration of scriptures removed from original context in order to speak in line with the doctrines you have heard of men.
Will you honestly look at your doctrines about wars and Jesus comings and goings and death and destruction and see how many of them are direct quotes from Jesus? And when Jesus is ask when the Temple buildings are going to be torn down (70ad) don't pass that off all those wars and rumors of war and blood and fighting to some future generation (now over 2000yrs later) that will never come, because it is future!
No old testament scriptures, we know that led up to Jesus not beyond….Just unveil for me from your favorite book, the revelation of John what it prophesies to come!
I will challenge you to look at your personal “doctrines” built out of the revelation of John about the second coming of Christ Jesus and what his second work on earth would possibly be. I will counter with scriptures….only…directly from Jesus himself about his completion of the plan of God for mankind!!! Are you up for it? Come on Mr. Scripture, lets see! TK
Quote (ftk @ Jan. 19 2012,14:51) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2012,03:10) Quote (ftk @ Jan. 19 2012,06:54) Wakeup: Jesus said to Nicodemus, one must be born again….to “see” the “kingdom” of God! The new creation is a man that puts off or down his physical use of the senses and takes on the dreams and visions of “spirit” of God. God is spirit and Gods words are spirit of life. Life giving spirit words from God sent through Jesus to recreate the minds/hearts of men with Gods words recreate flesh & blood, spiritually, in the earth. Jesus now gives us Gods spirit words of truth/life and we lay aside our physical sense learning to be filled with Gods spirit, words, life that come through Jesus. Jesus said his body is truth food and his blood is truth drink. In them is eternal life. If one doesn't lay aside his physical life to take on spirit life he will stay a physical man unto death.
As a man eats(consumes) the flesh/spirit of Jesus, his body becomes the Kingdom of God, the Garden of God, the Temple of God, the Church of God, the body of Christ!! This is the transformation from death to life also called the resurrection of the dead. To the degree a man grows up in Christ is the direct degree he becomes ONE with God/Jesus/Spirit!! If one sows to spirit he becomes spirit more fully. If one sows to physical earthly material goods he will reap a more physical mentality! To whatever degree a man chooses to grow in spirit he may do so. This is the born again, mental transformation process of building the Temple within a human being and ruling his own Kingdom of God from within.
Just as there are billions of differing people on earth so it will be with the Kingdom of God. Each Kingdom will be full of whatever degree of knowledge and understanding that person has chosen to acquire in that lifetime. God gives the spirit without limitations!
Everything God has done for mankind is done, it is finished, by Jesus the lord and given to mankind if they choose to accept it! The future holds whatever man decides to uncover as truth about himself, believe, and accept by faith from God. IMO, TK
tkQuote Everything God has done for mankind is done, it is finished, by Jesus the lord and given to mankind if they choose to accept it! The future holds whatever man decides to uncover as truth about himself, believe, and accept by faith from God. IMO, TK this is your own understanding ,and to reach this conclusion you have to become a killer of scriptures ,like all of Revelation,
deny all scope that God and Christ as thought us,during all of scriptures .
Pierre
Pierre: I have read the “scriptures” you claim proclaim your truth and they do because you cut and paste them to make them form up or follow some doctrine you see a certain way.As near as I can tell you haven't a clue as to what the revelation of John is actually saying. But who's going to argue, they don't have a clue what it says either.
I give you scriptures from Jesus himself that say that all the law and the prophets and the psalms were scriptures about the coming of Jesus….and you ignore them!
I give you scriptures from Jesus that say the Kingdom is come, now and the entire plan of God was finished in Jesus but since it doesn't fit your misfit conglomeration of scriptures removed from original context in order to speak in line with the doctrines you have heard of men.
Will you honestly look at your doctrines about wars and Jesus comings and goings and death and destruction and see how many of them are direct quotes from Jesus? And when Jesus is ask when the Temple buildings are going to be torn down (70ad) don't pass that off all those wars and rumors of war and blood and fighting to some future generation (now over 2000yrs later) that will never come, because it is future!
No old testament scriptures, we know that led up to Jesus not beyond….Just unveil for me from your favorite book, the revelation of John what it prophesies to come!
I will challenge you to look at your personal “doctrines” built out of the revelation of John about the second coming of Christ Jesus and what his second work on earth would possibly be. I will counter with scriptures….only…directly from Jesus himself about his completion of the plan of God for mankind!!! Are you up for it? Come on Mr. Scripture, lets see! TK
tkQuote As near as I can tell you haven't a clue as to what the revelation of John is actually saying. But who's going to argue, they don't have a clue what it says either. this only leave YOU to the true witness, RIGHT ??
Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 17 2012,01:48) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,00:43) J42 Quote For the wrath of God has not been poured out yet. Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”what do you think the wrath of God is ?
people do not realize that separation is taking place ,Israel today as nothing to do with any prophecy ,this is not of God or Christ ,
Pierre
Pierre,When Christ came the first time, he did not come to judge, but to give light. That is true and is what the scriptures state.
The second coming will be to judge, and with all power. But it will not be the final judgement, it will be the judgment on Babylon the Great. On all those who are alive at the time of his coming.
The final judgement will be after the 1000 years. The wicked will be thrown into the lake of fire then, whereas only the beast and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire at Christ's second coming. Not the rest. Not then…but later after the millennium.
The separation is taking place, I agree, for Christ will collect and gather all that belongs to him on his return.
Regards
Journey
Hi Gerorgie,How then is Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever? (Heb 13:8)
If at first he was forgiving, but afterward he's coming to destroy.
Have you not considered your doctrine is contradictory. …Pleas explain why you feel differently?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Jan. 18 2012,03:24) Quote (ftk @ Jan. 17 2012,22:06) FOR ALL WHO WANT JESUS TRUTH: AT Mark17:20…..having been as ask by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God should come…..Jesus said to them…The Kingdom of God cometh…NOT WITH OBSERVATION: V21…neither shall they say, lo here or lo there, for, behold, the……KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU!
[Therefore the Kingdom of God is not in Jerusalem, now or ever…unless a man with the kingdom of God within him, is in Jerusalem] The kingdom is within men!
V23:….They shall say unto you..See here…or see there…..GO NOT AFTER THEM….NOR FOLLOW THEM…!
Now Jesus is going to tell them how the Kingdom comes….V24….for as the lightning that shineth out of the one part under heaven…. shineth unto the other part under heaven:….SO SHALL [THE SON OF MAN] BE IN HIS DAY…!
[INSTANTLY…LIKE LIGHTNING……IN THE DAY WHEN A SON OF MAN IS REVEALED!!]
Now here is how the son of man will….COME….!V26…as it was in the days of Noah….so shall it also be in the days of the son of man….! [Days plural, not all in one day]
….V27…they did eat, they drank, and married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the Ark and the flood came and destroyed them all….ALL WHO??…ALL THE EVIL ONES DESTROYED!! EVIL WAS REMOVED FROM THE EARTH!!
KINGDOM OF GOD [v20] according to Jesus is the same as [v30]…the day when A SON OF MAN IS REVEALED!
[INSTANTLY…LIKE LIGHTNING…v30….IN THE DAY WHEN THE SON OF MAN IS REVEALED!!Anyone born of spirit should understand that Jesus[the word of God] comes to each[human] that[wholeheartedly] accepts him, instantly, in a flash, like lightning the son of man is revealed as darkness and evil is removed by the light/truth and salvation is become the enlightened son of man!
Its all the same lesson…accept the truth/Jesus from God and be instantly saved and made whole!! TK
FTK.The kingdom is inside us building up ready to be change in a wink of an eye,at his coming.
But not too many I am afraid; only the little flock first.
Then the rest,but must go through the fire first,and make the right decision regarding the mark of the beast which many christians and the rich will take. But there will be many christians that will refuse the mark,just a last moment decision.And they will be given white robes,and made clean ,for they were not clean before. Rev.7:14.Christ said 2000yrs ago; the kingdom is at hand.How?
Well they died didnt they;maybe some died a year later,and some 10 yrs later.It is at hand for them and for us also,for we dont know tomorrow,some maybe taken.So it is always at hand.The dead knows no time.The dead 2000yrs ago,when they open thir eyes,its like the same day to them.wakeup.
Hi Wake-up,What about Matthew 16:28 and Luke 9:27, do you consider them to be in error?
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which
shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”Luke 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing standing here,
which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2012,16:00) Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 17 2012,01:48) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,00:43) J42 Quote For the wrath of God has not been poured out yet. Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”what do you think the wrath of God is ?
people do not realize that separation is taking place ,Israel today as nothing to do with any prophecy ,this is not of God or Christ ,
Pierre
Pierre,When Christ came the first time, he did not come to judge, but to give light. That is true and is what the scriptures state.
The second coming will be to judge, and with all power. But it will not be the final judgement, it will be the judgment on Babylon the Great. On all those who are alive at the time of his coming.
The final judgement will be after the 1000 years. The wicked will be thrown into the lake of fire then, whereas only the beast and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire at Christ's second coming. Not the rest. Not then…but later after the millennium.
The separation is taking place, I agree, for Christ will collect and gather all that belongs to him on his return.
Regards
Journey
Hi Gerorgie,How then is Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever? (Heb 13:8)
If at first he was forgiving, but afterward he's coming to destroy.
Have you not considered your doctrine is contradictory. …Pleas explain why you feel differently?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote How then is Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever? (Heb 13:8) Hi EdJ
Good question.
You are forgetting that Christ is THE WORD OF GOD
…And the WORD became FLESH.Everything Christ taught came out of the mouth of God, The Word. God's Word. Christ came preaching not his own doctrine, but his Father's doctrine.
So God could of worded it this way if he wanted to.
“The Word of God, the same yesterday, and today, and forever”and this Word of God, has an identity now. The man Jesus Christ who obeyed God till death..as there was no sin found in him. Never before was sin found in him, when he was just “The Word”, never was sin found in him when he dwelt on this earth, and never will sin ever be found in him in the future. He is one with the Father. The express image of God. Only righteousness & holiness dwells in him. He is the same, he never changes.
Whatever comes out of God's mouth is truth, and God cannot lie. Neither can the son lie, because the fullness of the Father dwells in him, and the Father made Jesus a vehicle to carry & execute his Word.
So If Jesus came the first time to shed light, this means that he revealed the truth. The truth about what is good and what is evil. Jesus revealed his Father to us, by being that example. What you see Jesus do, the Father does. Jesus also exposed Satan and his angels, and gave us knowledge so that we can quench the fiery darts of the wicked. Without knowledge, and guidance from Christ, we cannot do this. We will be deceived.
But this light that is available to the whole world, is not received by all. So if we come to Christ for forgiveness, and he wipes our slate clean, like he promises, then with that new clean slate, he advises us to feed of him. We can only do this with faith, and by following the scriptures. His commandments. So the more we seek the Word with hunger, the more he will feed us, and guide us to all truth.
So that mercy was there to start with. A clean slate. New beginning. Second chance. What we do with that mercy is up to us. For if we do not obey Christ's words,(the Word of God) then that mercy will be taken away, and all our sins reinstated. He told us he could do this as well.
This is God's plan, for the sake of the righteous, his children. His children of the future as well. The plan is to expose evil, and then destroy it. Would it be fair on his children if wicked men were allowed to dwell with them forever? What about all the serial killers, and murderers, and thieves, and liars, and extortioners etc. Would you feel comfortable knowing that they will have a share in our inheritance? What kind of peace would that be? They have to be destroyed for the sake of the good. It can take only one bad apple to contaminate the rest. The bad apples have to be removed.
We can't blame the devil for everything. We have a choice. The devil is just there to tempt, but we have the ultimate choice now and the knowledge on whether to give him a foothold in our lives or not. We can accept the devil, or reject him. OUR CHOICE. And Christ advises that all sin is of the devil, and tells us what exactly is evil through his word. And if we reject the devil, for the love of Christ, then we abstain from evil and our Father and Christ will dwell inside us. Simple.
So it's not contradictory Ed. The Word of God is in perfect harmony, and is fair and logical.
God bless
Hi Goergie,
I didn't ask you if you thought it was OK for murders
or rapists to dwell with the believers or be destroyed?Let me ask a different question that you may feel less attached to; please do answer.
If you go over and visit with your neighbor John, and he sits in front of the TV, and
tells you stories of how he use to rescue people as a paramedic before he retired.
Then one day you go over to his house and he pulls out a shotgun, starts shooting
up his house, and says before he goes he's going to clean the city of the corruption.Would you think John changed? …as in he is not the same John you remembered.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2012,19:28) Hi Goergie, I didn't ask you if you thought it was OK for murders
or rapists to dwell with the believers or be destroyed?Let me ask a different question that you may feel less attached to; please do answer.
If you go over and visit with your neighbor John, and he sits in front of the TV, and
tells you stories of how he use to rescue people as a paramedic before he retired.
Then one day you go over to his house and he pulls out a shotgun, starts shooting
up his house, and says before he goes he's going to clean the city of the corruption.Would you think John changed? …as in he is not the same John you remembered.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdMatthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:24 Therefore, whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock.
Matthew 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not for it was founded upon a rock.
Matthew 7:26 And everyone that hearth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand.
Matthew 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house, and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Christ has not deceived us. He is straight out telling us the way it is. Just like in the flood. They were warned that the rains were coming, and they laughed at the ark Noah was building. Just the same. Everyone has a CHANCE to get on that ark, because once the door of the ark is closed, they can't enter.
This is the light Christ gave. He is that ark of salvation. Jump on that ark now while you still have a chance, because a big storm is coming.
Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 19 2012,23:03) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2012,19:28) Hi Goergie, I didn't ask you if you thought it was OK for murders
or rapists to dwell with the believers or be destroyed?Let me ask a different question that you may feel less attached to; please do answer.
If you go over and visit with your neighbor John, and he sits in front of the TV, and
tells you stories of how he use to rescue people as a paramedic before he retired.
Then one day you go over to his house and he pulls out a shotgun, starts shooting
up his house, and says before he goes he's going to clean the city of the corruption.Would you think John changed? …as in he is not the same John you remembered.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdMatthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:24 Therefore, whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock.
Matthew 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not for it was founded upon a rock.
Matthew 7:26 And everyone that hearth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand.
Matthew 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house, and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Christ has not deceived us. He is straight out telling us the way it is. Just like in the flood. They were warned that the rains were coming, and they laughed at the ark Noah was building. Just the same. Everyone has a CHANCE to get on that ark, because once the door of the ark is closed, they can't enter.
This is the light Christ gave. He is that ark of salvation. Jump on that ark now while you still have a chance, because a big storm is coming.
EdThe world will think that about Christ. They will be the ones confused.
The ones that think, “don't worry everything will be ok. Christ is a nice man…… he came to bring peace and he died for the sins of the world…..he did so many miracles, and healed the sick….. just believe in him…thats all….Christ is love…. no need to change, no need to read the bible…Christ said that we're perfect now….I am a good person…I am perfect…I will be ok…tell me sweet things only…tell me I'm saved….Christ did all my good deeds for me, I don't have to worry any more….no need to change…I'm washed in his blood.”
These ones will be in for a shock. The raw truth is not always pretty, but bitter to some..Just read revelations to get an idea.
and what's your explanation?
Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 03 2012,23:49) Jesus came to bring us the good news. Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
That God's kingdom is coming.
But he said it was already here?
Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force
Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
ebrews 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Hebrews 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Have you considered the possibility that the kingdom of heaven is not the same thing as the kingdom of God?barley
Quote (barley @ Jan. 20 2012,00:44) Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 03 2012,23:49) Jesus came to bring us the good news. Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
That God's kingdom is coming.
But he said it was already here?
Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force
Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
ebrews 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Hebrews 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Have you considered the possibility that the kingdom of heaven is not the same thing as the kingdom of God?barley
Greetings BarleyThanks for your question. Yes I did consider this once, and really looked into it, for it says “Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. (1corinth 15:50)
This verse is what got me searching. But I understand it now.
No, there is no difference. The Kingdom of God, and the Kingdom of Heaven is the same. This kingdom is not of this world, but is heavenly. It comes from God, and is not an earthly kingdom. Has different rules, is a spiritual kingdom. Whether God rules from heaven (headquarters) or Jesus rules from earth, it is still the same kingdom. God's kingdom. A holy kingdom. This kingdom is full of God's will and righteousness, and Christ rules on God's behalf. God is still the chief.
Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 20 2012,16:43) Quote (barley @ Jan. 20 2012,00:44) Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 03 2012,23:49) Jesus came to bring us the good news. Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
That God's kingdom is coming.
But he said it was already here?
Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force
Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
ebrews 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Hebrews 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Have you considered the possibility that the kingdom of heaven is not the same thing as the kingdom of God?barley
Greetings BarleyThanks for your question. Yes I did consider this once, and really looked into it, for it says “Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. (1corinth 15:50)
This verse is what got me searching. But I understand it now.
No, there is no difference. The Kingdom of God, and the Kingdom of Heaven is the same. This kingdom is not of this world, but is heavenly. It comes from God, and is not an earthly kingdom. Has different rules, is a spiritual kingdom. Whether God rules from heaven (headquarters) or Jesus rules from earth, it is still the same kingdom. God's kingdom. A holy kingdom. This kingdom is full of God's will and righteousness, and Christ rules on God's behalf. God is still the chief.
J42There are two ways to see this.
1)the kingdom of heaven means the limits are within the heaven and so represent all what is in heaven
2) while the kingdom of God ,represent all of creation including Christ his son,
The distinction between good and bad on earth is only a temporary situation in time,soon to disappear
Pierre
For All: If you truly want to know about the Kingdom of God take the original greek word that was translated as “kingdom'' and use…”rule” of God…..or….”reign”of God…it will change your perspective a bit.
Jesus came to teach the reign of God!
The ruling of God is at hand! Thy rule and reign come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven! The reign of God is within you! The rule of God is nigh at hand!(within reach)! TK
Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 20 2012,09:43) Quote (barley @ Jan. 20 2012,00:44) Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 03 2012,23:49) Jesus came to bring us the good news. Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
That God's kingdom is coming.
But he said it was already here?
Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force
Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
ebrews 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Hebrews 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Have you considered the possibility that the kingdom of heaven is not the same thing as the kingdom of God?barley
Greetings BarleyThanks for your question. Yes I did consider this once, and really looked into it, for it says “Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. (1corinth 15:50)
This verse is what got me searching. But I understand it now.
No, there is no difference. The Kingdom of God, and the Kingdom of Heaven is the same. This kingdom is not of this world, but is heavenly. It comes from God, and is not an earthly kingdom. Has different rules, is a spiritual kingdom. Whether God rules from heaven (headquarters) or Jesus rules from earth, it is still the same kingdom. God's kingdom. A holy kingdom. This kingdom is full of God's will and righteousness, and Christ rules on God's behalf. God is still the chief.
Where are all the references to “the kingdom of heaven”?Where are all the references to “the kingdom of God”?
barley
Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 20 2012,09:43) Quote (barley @ Jan. 20 2012,00:44) Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 03 2012,23:49) Jesus came to bring us the good news. Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
That God's kingdom is coming.
But he said it was already here?
Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force
Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
ebrews 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Hebrews 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Have you considered the possibility that the kingdom of heaven is not the same thing as the kingdom of God?barley
Greetings BarleyThanks for your question. Yes I did consider this once, and really looked into it, for it says “Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. (1corinth 15:50)
This verse is what got me searching. But I understand it now.
No, there is no difference. The Kingdom of God, and the Kingdom of Heaven is the same. This kingdom is not of this world, but is heavenly. It comes from God, and is not an earthly kingdom. Has different rules, is a spiritual kingdom. Whether God rules from heaven (headquarters) or Jesus rules from earth, it is still the same kingdom. God's kingdom. A holy kingdom. This kingdom is full of God's will and righteousness, and Christ rules on God's behalf. God is still the chief.
Expanding on my previous post.
Here is somethings for you to consider.
I did a quick search at BibleGateway and followed up with a cursory search in Young's.
According to that search, the phrase “Kingdom of heaven” appears only in Matthew,
whereas the phrase, “kingdom of God”, appears in the entire NT. Not in every book but throughout the NT.
Why is that, do you suppose?
What can we learn from that?
In Matthew, we see Jesus Christ as king, the king chosen to the the permanent king on the throne of David. We see Jesus Christ exercising his authority as king. We see his royal lineage in Matthew.
The kingdom of God is about all time. not just Jesus Christ's personal presence on earth.
Please review this material.
barley
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2012,19:28) Hi Goergie, I didn't ask you if you thought it was OK for murders
or rapists to dwell with the believers or be destroyed?Let me ask a different question that you may feel less attached to; please do answer.
If you go over and visit with your neighbor John, and he sits in front of the TV, and
tells you stories of how he use to rescue people as a paramedic before he retired.
Then one day you go over to his house and he pulls out a shotgun, starts shooting
up his house, and says before he goes he's going to clean the city of the corruption.Would you think John changed? …as in he is not the same John you remembered.
God bless
Ed J
Hi Journey,Will you please just address this point without any speeches.
You can give all the speeches you want in other posts,
but please answer this point without a speech; OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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