The injustice of the koran

[theodorej]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2010,04:19)

Quote (theodorej @ July 14 2010,01:37) Quote (karmarie @ July 11 2010,11:57) Hi Bod. The Quran is 'vital to (your) understanding of the Bible' but it isnt to mine. How can it be? because they are both different, two different Jesus's, I choose one you choose the other. Greetings K….. The koran shares the accuracy of the Bible with its accounting for the Abramic covenant,when it speaks of the seed of Ishmael and the promise of being a great nation…Ishmael was birthed by a concubine of Sarahs' by the name of Hagar….The koran deminishes the existance and subsequent ministry of Jesus to that of a prophet while elevating a self proclaimed apostle to a devine messenger of God….Jesus' ministry had its roots in over 600 years of existance before Mohamed even existed…Jerusalem was in existance 2000 plus years before mohamed.. Quote The koran deminishes the existance and subsequent ministry of Jesus to that of a prophet while elevating a self proclaimed apostle to a devine messenger of God That's funny because most christians do that same thing to Moses. Has any people ever witnessed the types of things that God did for/with Moses? any miracles of such enormity? yet when Jesus comes you say “Moses was just a prophet” so now when someone says Jesus was just a Prophet you oppose the thought but I ask you what's wrong with being “Just a Prophet ” of God? What's wrong with being a deliverer like Moses, a Saviour like Moses, a Law bringer like Moses? Muhammad saved his people from polytheist and Idolatry which even many Christians still practice today Quote Jesus' ministry had its roots in over 600 years of existance before Mohamed even existed This is what the Jews say about Moses

Greetings B….Good point….The exeption in the comparison of Moses to Jesus with respect to being a prophet is the resurection….Moses did not conquer death he seccumbed to it…The miracles that God performed through Moses as well as the miracles that were performed by Jesus was a demonstration of the power and authority of the same God…

[theodorej]

Quote (karmarie @ July 15 2010,20:39)

Quote (theodorej @ July 14 2010,03:37) Greetings K….. The koran shares the accuracy of the Bible with its accounting for the Abramic covenant,when it speaks of the seed of Ishmael and the promise of being a great nation…Ishmael was birthed by a concubine of Sarahs' by the name of Hagar….The koran deminishes the existance and subsequent ministry of Jesus to that of a prophet while elevating a self proclaimed apostle to a devine messenger of God….Jesus' ministry had its roots in over 600 years of existance before Mohamed even existed…Jerusalem was in existance 2000 plus years before mohamed.. Hi TheodoreJ, I know. Confusing stuff.

Greetings K…..You seem to be moving towards being un confused based on some of your questions in the past….B is an interesting challendge….he has actually got me reading again..

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2010,05:33)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 14 2010,05:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 13 2010,02:18) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 12 2010,13:34) Quote Today many Islamic countries and Muslims all over have taken up many ways of the Jews of the Old testament ways that many Christians condemn as being wrong  and yet the Quran does not condone these activities but in-fact it is the Bible itself that condones these things. There is no prescription of stoning in the Quran but there is in the Bible. It seems each time someone accuses Islam of something evil I find it in the Bible and not in the Quran so reading the Quran is Vital to understanding and better yet vital to understanding that Most Christians have no idea what is in the Bible. This is attacking the bible. lets not play games show me where there is an attack and to do that you would have to show that A. Stoning is not in the bible and   B. where did I condemn stoning What I said very clearly was every time a Christian says something they consider to be evil is in Islam I do not find it in the Quran but I do find it in The Bible For instance in The Quran Homosexuality is condemned but there is no death penalty prescribed for it. [7:80-81] Lot said to his people, “You commit such an abomination; no one in the world has done it before! “You practice sex with the men, instead of the women. Indeed, you are a transgressing people.” [26:165-166] “Do you have sex with the males, of all the people? “You forsake the wives that your Lord has created for you! Indeed, you are transgressing people.” Now according to the Quran we are told [60:8-9] GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable. GOD enjoins you only from befriending those who fight you because of religion, evict you from your homes, and band together with others to banish you. You shall not befriend them. Those who befriend them are the transgressors. So in the Quran there is no mention of any corporal punishment in this matter although if one was assigned it would be no greater than the one assigned to adultery furthermore it would be very difficult to prove unless someone was running around declaring what they do in private. So when I say that many of the Muslim countries today are taking after the Jews and Christians in some matters it's because it is in the Bible Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Leviticus 18:21-23 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:12-14 blah blah blah bod, stop playing games. jibber gabber you did. First you state that the OT condemns people by stoning, yet the quran doesnt. they accuse Islam of being evil, when the bible is the one who actually condemns or condones these actions. or what not. I get your point, but its still attacking the bible. so basiclly your stating that the “evil” things islamics “do” that people condemn are condoned by the bible. yet they are not in the Quran. seems like your playing games bod No, what I am saying is, why condemn others for actions that are condoned in the scriptures you accept even though those actions are not condoned in the Book(Quran) that you say promotes such actions?

ACtually i never condemned anything.

get your facts straight.

[karmarie]

Quote (theodorej @ July 16 2010,20:14)

Greetings K…..You seem to be moving towards being un confused based on some of your questions in the past….B is an interesting challendge….he has actually got me reading again..

Hi TheodoreJ,

He can be a challenge.

(Which is why Bod I wont go on and on, I already answered your question so please, bod, go back to get the answer).

I hope what your reading Theodore is ok? You have to be carefull what you read. Best to stick with scripture from what iv learned.

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2010,15:25)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2010,04:03) Quote (theodorej @ July 14 2010,01:37) Quote (karmarie @ July 11 2010,11:57) Hi Bod. The Quran is 'vital to (your) understanding of the Bible' but it isnt to mine. How can it be? because they are both different, two different Jesus's, I choose one you choose the other. Greetings K….. The koran shares the accuracy of the Bible with its accounting for the Abramic covenant,when it speaks of the seed of Ishmael and the promise of being a great nation…Ishmael was birthed by a concubine of Sarahs' by the name of Hagar….The koran deminishes the existance and subsequent ministry of Jesus to that of a prophet while elevating a self proclaimed apostle to a devine messenger of God….Jesus' ministry had its roots in over 600 years of existance before Mohamed even existed…Jerusalem was in existance 2000 plus years before mohamed.. The Quran does not diminish the ministry of Jesus in any way, it explains with clear accuracy what Jesus acknowledges himself: I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. John 17:3-5 This was before the cross. So tell me if Jesus was finish his work before the cross how is it you think his work was to die on the cross? Hi Everyone, BD is being deceptive here as he doesn't believe Jesus died on the cross! Ed J

Hi Theodore J,

Don't let BD lie to you, Asana bodhitharta doesn't believe Jesus died on a cross!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[theodorej]

Quote (karmarie @ July 16 2010,23:50)

Quote (theodorej @ July 16 2010,20:14) Greetings K…..You seem to be moving towards being un confused based on some of your questions in the past….B is an interesting challendge….he has actually got me reading again.. Hi TheodoreJ, He can be a challenge. (Which is why Bod I wont go on and on, I already answered your question so please, bod, go back to get the answer). I hope what your reading Theodore is ok? You have to be carefull what you read. Best to stick with scripture from what iv learned.

Greetings K….. I am onboard with being carefull..and thank you for the advice….Iam a worldly and adventuous type of person,and as you know the unknown can be captivating….At this time Iam trying to ascertain the level of conviction B has and hopefully learn from him….Its a jungle out there…

[theodorej]

Quote (theodorej @ July 17 2010,00:46)

Quote (karmarie @ July 16 2010,23:50) Quote (theodorej @ July 16 2010,20:14) Greetings K…..You seem to be moving towards being un confused based on some of your questions in the past….B is an interesting challendge….he has actually got me reading again.. Hi TheodoreJ, He can be a challenge. (Which is why Bod I wont go on and on, I already answered your question so please, bod, go back to get the answer). I hope what your reading Theodore is ok? You have to be carefull what you read. Best to stick with scripture from what iv learned. Greetings K….. I am onboard with being carefull..and thank you for the advice….Iam a worldly and adventuous type of person,and as you know the unknown can be captivating….At this time Iam trying to ascertain the level of conviction B has and hopefully learn from him….Its a jungle out there…

K….This is not to say that my faith is in question,…but in order to present a viable alternative it is incumbent on us to understand what each of us truly believe….

[bodhitharta]

Quote (theodorej @ July 16 2010,17:55)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2010,04:03) Quote (theodorej @ July 14 2010,01:37) Quote (karmarie @ July 11 2010,11:57) Hi Bod. The Quran is 'vital to (your) understanding of the Bible' but it isnt to mine. How can it be? because they are both different, two different Jesus's, I choose one you choose the other. Greetings K….. The koran shares the accuracy of the Bible with its accounting for the Abramic covenant,when it speaks of the seed of Ishmael and the promise of being a great nation…Ishmael was birthed by a concubine of Sarahs' by the name of Hagar….The koran deminishes the existance and subsequent ministry of Jesus to that of a prophet while elevating a self proclaimed apostle to a devine messenger of God….Jesus' ministry had its roots in over 600 years of existance before Mohamed even existed…Jerusalem was in existance 2000 plus years before mohamed.. The Quran does not diminish the ministry of Jesus in any way, it explains with clear accuracy what Jesus acknowledges himself: I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. John 17:3-5 This was before the cross. So tell me if Jesus was finish his work before the cross how is it you think his work was to die on the cross? Greetings B…..I have learned many years ago to read the entire verse or somtimes an entire chapter so as to gleen the message….very rarely does a scriptual snippet convey the entire intended message….When we examine the ministry of Jesus including the resurection….I can only see the completion of a portion of Gods plan for us which is eternal life…..Does the Koran acknowledge Jesus' victory over death and his subsequent devinity?

His victory over death was that God saved him from the plot of those who wanted to kill him and raised Jesus up to HIMSELF.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (theodorej @ July 16 2010,18:07)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2010,04:19) Quote (theodorej @ July 14 2010,01:37) Quote (karmarie @ July 11 2010,11:57) Hi Bod. The Quran is 'vital to (your) understanding of the Bible' but it isnt to mine. How can it be? because they are both different, two different Jesus's, I choose one you choose the other. Greetings K….. The koran shares the accuracy of the Bible with its accounting for the Abramic covenant,when it speaks of the seed of Ishmael and the promise of being a great nation…Ishmael was birthed by a concubine of Sarahs' by the name of Hagar….The koran deminishes the existance and subsequent ministry of Jesus to that of a prophet while elevating a self proclaimed apostle to a devine messenger of God….Jesus' ministry had its roots in over 600 years of existance before Mohamed even existed…Jerusalem was in existance 2000 plus years before mohamed.. Quote The koran deminishes the existance and subsequent ministry of Jesus to that of a prophet while elevating a self proclaimed apostle to a devine messenger of God That's funny because most christians do that same thing to Moses. Has any people ever witnessed the types of things that God did for/with Moses? any miracles of such enormity? yet when Jesus comes you say “Moses was just a prophet” so now when someone says Jesus was just a Prophet you oppose the thought but I ask you what's wrong with being “Just a Prophet ” of God? What's wrong with being a deliverer like Moses, a Saviour like Moses, a Law bringer like Moses? Muhammad saved his people from polytheist and Idolatry which even many Christians still practice today Quote Jesus' ministry had its roots in over 600 years of existance before Mohamed even existed This is what the Jews say about Moses Greetings B….Good point….The exeption in the comparison of Moses to Jesus with respect to being a prophet is the resurection….Moses did not conquer death he seccumbed to it…The miracles that God performed through Moses as well as the miracles that were performed by Jesus was a demonstration of the power and authority of the same God…

Moses did conquer death if you believe in the transfiguration and Moses will be resurrected. Did you also ever read this verse?

They sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying: “ Great and marvelous are Your works, Lord God Almighty! Just and true are Your ways, O King of the saints!
Revelation 15:2-4

Moses gets a very high billing here

[karmarie]

Quote (theodorej @ July 17 2010,02:51)

Quote (theodorej @ July 17 2010,00:46) Quote (karmarie @ July 16 2010,23:50) Quote (theodorej @ July 16 2010,20:14) Greetings K…..You seem to be moving towards being un confused based on some of your questions in the past….B is an interesting challendge….he has actually got me reading again.. Hi TheodoreJ, He can be a challenge. (Which is why Bod I wont go on and on, I already answered your question so please, bod, go back to get the answer). I hope what your reading Theodore is ok? You have to be carefull what you read. Best to stick with scripture from what iv learned. Greetings K….. I am onboard with being carefull..and thank you for the advice….Iam a worldly and adventuous type of person,and as you know the unknown can be captivating….At this time Iam trying to ascertain the level of conviction B has and hopefully learn from him….Its a jungle out there… K….This is not to say that my faith is in question,…but in order to present a viable alternative it is incumbent on us to understand what each of us truly believe….

Hi Theodore. I hope your not going off path walking into the unknown, I have done that. Learn from others, it saves you the journey. I have learnt. Read only the scriptures, anything else is like poisen to the mind it pulls you away and makes anything good you had weak and distant, further and further away from whatever you used to believe feel and experience. As does over-involvment of the mind on earthly things.

“My son, beware of anything beyond these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh.” (which is why you have all these scriptually advanced people on forums such as…. who have gone off into all sorts of variations of belief partly because they studied too hard… Belief in God is more than just reading it goes deeper than that)….

Pray to the Lord, ask for his guidance, ask for only his truth, ask forgivness of your sins, ask for peace, pour out your heart to him,

Dont go down that path Theodore, its not that great,

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ July 17 2010,21:06)

Quote (theodorej @ July 17 2010,02:51) Quote (theodorej @ July 17 2010,00:46) Quote (karmarie @ July 16 2010,23:50) Quote (theodorej @ July 16 2010,20:14) Greetings K…..You seem to be moving towards being un confused based on some of your questions in the past….B is an interesting challendge….he has actually got me reading again.. Hi TheodoreJ, He can be a challenge. (Which is why Bod I wont go on and on, I already answered your question so please, bod, go back to get the answer). I hope what your reading Theodore is ok? You have to be carefull what you read. Best to stick with scripture from what iv learned. Greetings K….. I am onboard with being carefull..and thank you for the advice….Iam a worldly and adventuous type of person,and as you know the unknown can be captivating….At this time Iam trying to ascertain the level of conviction B has and hopefully learn from him….Its a jungle out there… K….This is not to say that my faith is in question,…but in order to present a viable alternative it is incumbent on us to understand what each of us truly believe…. Hi Theodore. I hope your not going off path walking into the unknown, I have done that.  Learn from others, it saves you the journey.  I have learnt.   Read only the scriptures, anything else is like poisen to the mind it pulls you away and makes anything good you had weak and distant,  further and further away from whatever you used to believe feel and experience. As does over-involvment of the mind on earthly things. “My son, beware of anything beyond these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh.”  (which is why you have all these scriptually advanced people on forums such as…. who have gone off into all sorts of variations of belief partly because they studied too hard… Belief in God is more than just reading it goes deeper than that)…. Pray to the Lord, ask for his guidance, ask for only his truth, ask forgivness of your sins, ask for peace, pour out your heart to him, Dont go down that path Theodore, its not that great,

Why do you wish for him to follow anything blindly?

The heart of him who has understanding seeks knowledge, But the mouth of fools feeds on foolishness.
Proverbs 15:13-15

The heart of the prudent acquires knowledge, And the ear of the wise seeks knowledge.
Proverbs 18:14-16

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