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Quote (princess @ Mar. 26 2011,23:40) Stuart & Tim gentlemen, are you that paranoid, or just don't pay attention to others.
I had the t-shirt too that says 'doesn't play well with others' in camo no less, should have kept it, this year fashion is camo, browns, pinks.i have bookmarked the site for futher reading. Thank you pace e amore.
So you haven't watched it either.Stuart
Stuart dear, you do understand the definition of further do you not.
i did visit the site, catholic endorsed, video are not of ones that i have not seen before.would really have no impact on you Stuart, i can guesstimate that much.
take care. be safe.
Quote (princess @ Mar. 27 2011,13:13) Stuart dear, you do understand the definition of further do you not.
i did visit the site, catholic endorsed, video are not of ones that i have not seen before.would really have no impact on you Stuart, i can guesstimate that much.
take care. be safe.
OK. Thanks for the correction and the preview. I'll take your guesstimate and ignore the video, unless pace e amore can show there is a point to watching it.Stuart
Quote (princess @ Mar. 26 2011,23:40) Stuart & Tim gentlemen, are you that paranoid,
Yep!
After losing every bit of the information on my computer three times to virus that snuck in on just such downloads,
I am careful.
Do not trust your virus protection.
I think that some of the virus are written by the same people that sell you the protection.Tim
Quote To which part of the source on Japan do you wish to refer me? perhaps the shinto/buddism area. most eastern cultures do have religion, to them secular/spiritual are not separated. which is as it should be.
Quote You are still spinning the platitudes. and will continue, no less.
i understand what you mean by using the word creation, i find the same with your use of judeo-christian. fair play.
however does not change me on creation, by or in any means.so Stuart, sagan believes that we are made up from the heavens, hum…like that view, heaven made, the best of grade.
truly Stuart, my place in the universe, enhanced understanding of myself. i taking it that in your plot to discredit religion, you have only come away with all the negatives, never really attempting to pull a positive. with due respect, i do not need a brief on the history of christianity. thank you none the less.
you are leaving me to believe that you endorse abortion only in the early stages of pregnancy. it seems after this your rose colored glasses come in to play. somewhat surprising for you, i can say. the only scripture in the christian text i can find that even may relate, is that children are a gift.
i am sure you must keep your terminology for abortion toward the medical terms, baby, pregnancy are left out. why is that you cannot use such terms.
let's play the what if game shall we Stuart, what if your wrong, what if there is a creator. fair play is it not?
much love
Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 27 2011,22:55) Quote (princess @ Mar. 26 2011,23:40) Stuart & Tim gentlemen, are you that paranoid,
Yep!
After losing every bit of the information on my computer three times to virus that snuck in on just such downloads,
I am careful.
Do not trust your virus protection.
I think that some of the virus are written by the same people that sell you the protection.Tim
Timsorry to hear of your misfortune, i fully understand. my apologies. what other conspiracies do you think there are?
take care Tim.
Quote (princess @ Mar. 28 2011,01:13) Quote To which part of the source on Japan do you wish to refer me? perhaps the shinto/buddism area. most eastern cultures do have religion, to them secular/spiritual are not separated. which is as it should be.
Quote You are still spinning the platitudes. and will continue, no less.
i understand what you mean by using the word creation, i find the same with your use of judeo-christian. fair play.
however does not change me on creation, by or in any means.so Stuart, sagan believes that we are made up from the heavens, hum…like that view, heaven made, the best of grade.
truly Stuart, my place in the universe, enhanced understanding of myself. i taking it that in your plot to discredit religion, you have only come away with all the negatives, never really attempting to pull a positive. with due respect, i do not need a brief on the history of christianity. thank you none the less.
you are leaving me to believe that you endorse abortion only in the early stages of pregnancy. it seems after this your rose colored glasses come in to play. somewhat surprising for you, i can say. the only scripture in the christian text i can find that even may relate, is that children are a gift.
i am sure you must keep your terminology for abortion toward the medical terms, baby, pregnancy are left out. why is that you cannot use such terms.
let's play the what if game shall we Stuart, what if your wrong, what if there is a creator. fair play is it not?
much love
Spiritual and secular are the same thing to me. In fact it is spirituality and atheism that are united. It seems to me that christianity and spirituality are at irreconcilable odds. Christianity expects you to relate to the universe by means of ideas that are patently absurd and apparently immoral. Is that a sound basis for spirituality? It's not a very honest way to be spiritual.In the defined sense I use the word, a baby is something that has already been born. That is because some dictionaries have a baby as another name for a foetus, whereas the word foetus only applies to the status before birth. Hence the clearest meaning is communicated by the use of that narrower term. A mother is a woman who has given birth. I used the word pregnancy in relation to ectopic pregnancies, the kind that can kill a woman if no abortion is performed. By the way, do you agree that a woman with an ectopic pregnancy should be left to die of peritonitis, or is that abortion acceptable? You've never said. I am not leaving out any terms, and am careful to use the clearest term in the appropriate instance.
What difference should it make what words you use if everyone knows what you mean? Of course it makes a difference to you because your argument is purely an appeal to emotion and squeamishness, but you don't appear to be objecting to heart surgery which is just as squeamish and emotionally challenging.
Sagan did not say “we are made up from the heavens”.
What are the positives of religion? Christianity is second-rate in every category and downright immoral in some. What moral acts cannot be done without it?
Tell me what a creator is, and I'll tell you what if I'm wrong.
What if you're wrong? I've already told you some of that “what if”, as I recall.
Stuart
spirituality and atheism, Is that a sound basis for spirituality? It's not a very honest way to be spiritual.
(couldn't resist)I understand what you are trying to convey in regards to heart surgery and the ectopic pregnancy, each is to save the life of the individual, which i do not disagree, such things do happen. However, to have surgery for no reason is quite foolish don't you think. Surgery has its complication no matter how small.
Stuart, I cannot help but laugh a bit, your wife tells you honey come here our fetus just moved, what do you think it was, a foot, hand, head? …….and just for good measure, are you not the one that even dare to say we came from the ocean and evolved, then where does this differ from a fetus in the womb.
Quote Sagan did not say “we are made up from the heavens”.
yes he did.Stuart, i would love to finish however, it is time to get the day started.
take care of yourself
Quote (princess @ Mar. 28 2011,21:59) spirituality and atheism, Is that a sound basis for spirituality? It's not a very honest way to be spiritual.
(couldn't resist)I understand what you are trying to convey in regards to heart surgery and the ectopic pregnancy, each is to save the life of the individual, which i do not disagree, such things do happen. However, to have surgery for no reason is quite foolish don't you think. Surgery has its complication no matter how small.
Stuart, I cannot help but laugh a bit, your wife tells you honey come here our fetus just moved, what do you think it was, a foot, hand, head? …….and just for good measure, are you not the one that even dare to say we came from the ocean and evolved, then where does this differ from a fetus in the womb.
Quote Sagan did not say “we are made up from the heavens”.
yes he did.Stuart, i would love to finish however, it is time to get the day started.
take care of yourself
You parroting me but reversing the situation does not explain your assertion about atheism. I maintain that atheism is a more moral and more honestly spiritual worldview.Abortion can have quite traumatic effects, including depression and all the other hazards associated with surgery generally. Anyone who needs an abortion should of course be warned about these risks. You appear to be rambling on about oceans now. What is your argument, and how does it differ from “Eugh!”? You still have not acknowledged that an abortion can save a woman's life. Are you content with her impending death?
Regarding Sagan, I'm happy to be corrected if you can supply the quote for me. He did use the word “heavens” but I don't think he would have said that we are made of the heavens without explaining himself in a great deal more detail than that, given that he was at pains to be accurate about his communication of the facts about the matter in our bodies coming from a nearby supernova all those billions of years ago.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 22 2011,19:04) Quote (theodorej @ Mar. 22 2011,11:03) Hi stu…. Well you have certainly nailed it…..Ignorance is something I have learned to live with while dealing with my insecurity,however,the confusion in my life comes from dialog with interlectual vandals that spew irelevent nosensical theories and insist they are factual by presenting yet another theory……where is the proof??? In addition it is no skin off my nose….it is just an opportunity to have inteligent dialog..Indulge me….
How do you “prove” that Monet was an impressionist?Stuart
Hi Stu…. Monet was an impressionist…His work consists of his personal impression of events,scapes of all different types as they effect him….his talent was that he was able to illustrate it on canvess and this we know as Art…Quote (theodorej @ Mar. 30 2011,03:04) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 22 2011,19:04) Quote (theodorej @ Mar. 22 2011,11:03) Hi stu…. Well you have certainly nailed it…..Ignorance is something I have learned to live with while dealing with my insecurity,however,the confusion in my life comes from dialog with interlectual vandals that spew irelevent nosensical theories and insist they are factual by presenting yet another theory……where is the proof??? In addition it is no skin off my nose….it is just an opportunity to have inteligent dialog..Indulge me….
How do you “prove” that Monet was an impressionist?Stuart
Hi Stu…. Monet was an impressionist…His work consists of his personal impression of events,scapes of all different types as they effect him….his talent was that he was able to illustrate it on canvess and this we know as Art…
Of course I agree with your reasons for Monet's classification. And humans are primates, African great apes of the species homo sapiens because they are classified by their characteristics in the same way that Monet is classified by the characteristics of the art he produced.Neither can be “proved” because each is a classification that was assigned by humans. It is not the only classification to which humans belong, but it is agreed across the globe as an appropriate one for very good reasons.
Stuart
stultify
'Interestingly, the Hebrew word for “fool” in the Psalm above is nabal, which better describes a “moral fool” than an “intellectual fool.” Therefore, according to the Psalmist, it’s not the intellectually-challenged that say in their hearts, “There is no God,” it’s the morally-challenged.'
Quote (princess @ April 07 2011,10:34) stultify 'Interestingly, the Hebrew word for “fool” in the Psalm above is nabal, which better describes a “moral fool” than an “intellectual fool.” Therefore, according to the Psalmist, it’s not the intellectually-challenged that say in their hearts, “There is no God,” it’s the morally-challenged.'
I bow to your scholarship, however I think the thread on the immorality of christianity, in which no christian has been able to defend the morality of christianity, would be an indication that most atheists are not moral fools compared with either christians or their gods.And by the way, the spelling is:
Stuart
correction duly noted, my son and i have the word of the day, somewhat of a game we play, how many times we can use the word during our day. this word had just happen to come up, lo and behold it seem to fit. my apologies.
i cannot see the difference where a christian says, smash the childrens heads off the stone, or an atheist that says remove the 'fetus' from the womb or even strapping explosive to oneself. tis my own though Stuart.
Quote (princess @ April 14 2011,12:40) correction duly noted, my son and i have the word of the day, somewhat of a game we play, how many times we can use the word during our day. this word had just happen to come up, lo and behold it seem to fit. my apologies. i cannot see the difference where a christian says, smash the childrens heads off the stone, or an atheist that says remove the 'fetus' from the womb or even strapping explosive to oneself. tis my own though Stuart.
Only one of those three examples is a medical procedure that is subject to the right of medical consent with the potential to save a human life. Isn't that the difference?Stuart
Stuart,
To you life starts out of the womb, perhaps one day, when you feel your own child move within another, you may begin to understand what i present. Do you think the father has any say so in the matter?
I didn't say that life starts in the womb, and your statement does not address the central moral question of the right to medical consent and the health or life of the pregnant woman. Does a man who has got the woman pregnant have a veto over her medical consent?
Stuart
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