The immorality of christianity

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 13 2011,19:38)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 13 2011,11:08) Quote We are all either agnostic or insecure. Stuart Hi Stuart, Agnostic's are insecure!   …are you sure you didn't mean insincere instead? Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Don't confuse living with uncertainty with insecurity. It is those who lie about having absolute knowledge of the existence of their gods who are the insecure ones.   Are you happy to admit the fact that you could be wrong about the existence of your Imaginary Friend?  If not, why not? Stuart

Hi Stuart,

You have a funny way of admitting that you did mean 'insincere'!
Like I have told you before, your truth is NOTHING but a dichotomy!
You say you are willing to admit there “IS” a possibility that God exists,
but yet you try to convince us that he doesn't. This position isn't insane?

I know YHVH exists and I have even offered you the PROOF OF GOD(117),
which I have documented in a free internet book called “HolyCityBibleCode”.
1Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
The book is in PDF format, I can e-mail the book to those requesting; just ask.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Stu]

Ed

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He “only” pays the price to those who have been rehabilitated!

Religious platitude.

What is “he” and why does “he” behave this way? What is the motive that causes this behaviour? Unless you can answer these questions then you aren’t explaining, you are just asserting dogma like the pope does.

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I didn't think you would accept my answer, it is NO surprise! You are a staunch atheist who insincerely calls himself an Agnostic.

No, I sincerely call myself an agnostic, and I call you an insincere agnostic.

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An “Agnostic” would consider evidence of God's existence, while an athiest would only try to shoot down all the evidence. You've proven which camp you belong to, your words are insincere!

An honest person would try to shoot down the evidence, and if the evidence withstood the shooting should accept it as evidence.

Your claims do not survive even a light scratching. To not know it is ignorance, to not acknowledge the possibility that other people know what they are talking about is mindless, and to ignore the genuine advice of others, which you have had from at least three people is boorish.

Stuart

[SimplyForgiven]

Stu is cool

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 14 2011,16:03)

Ed Quote He “only” pays the price to those who have been rehabilitated! Religious platitude. (1) What is “he” and (2) why does “he” behave this way? (3) What is the motive that causes this behaviour?  (4) Unless you can answer these questions then you aren’t explaining, you are just asserting dogma like the pope does. Stuart

Hi Stuart,

1) Jesus (John 1:29)

2) To fulfill Jer.31:31-33.

3) Because He Loves you! (John 15:13)

4) You won't accept my “informative” answers anyways,
because you're an atheist who insincerely claims to be Agnostic.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 14 2011,16:03)

Ed Quote An “Agnostic” would consider evidence of God's existence, while an athiest would only try to shoot down all the evidence. You've proven which camp you belong to, your words are insincere! An honest person would try to shoot down the evidence, and if the evidence withstood the shooting should accept it as evidence. Your claims do not survive even a light scratching.  To not know it is ignorance, to not acknowledge the possibility that other people know what they are talking about is mindless, and to ignore the genuine advice of others, which you have had from at least three people is boorish. Stuart

Hi Stuart,

Are you putting 'spin' to my words?
I said: “try to shoot down all the evidence.”
You can't, however, because it's “ROCK SOLID”!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

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Christopher Hitchens: “My own view is that this planet is used as a penal colony, lunatic asylum and dumping ground by a superior civilization, to get rid of the undesirable and unfit. I can't prove it, but you can't disprove it either.” — Christopher Hitchens

[Stu]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2011,18:23)

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 14 2011,16:03) Ed Quote He “only” pays the price to those who have been rehabilitated! Religious platitude. (1) What is “he” and (2) why does “he” behave this way? (3) What is the motive that causes this behaviour?  (4) Unless you can answer these questions then you aren’t explaining, you are just asserting dogma like the pope does. Stuart Hi Stuart, 1) Jesus (John 1:29) 2) To fulfill Jer.31:31-33. 3) Because He Loves you! (John 15:13) 4) You won't accept my “informative” answers anyways, because you're an atheist who insincerely claims to be Agnostic. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

No, the reason I am not impressed by your answers is because they are not explanations. It has nothing to do with my beliefs, your answers are just inadequate.

You are telling me a just so story about a being that apparently exists in your imagination that “loves” people and wishes to do something you call “fulfilling”. That explains nothing about its motives nor what those terms actually mean.

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2011,18:47)

Quote Christopher Hitchens: “My own view is that this planet is used as a penal colony, lunatic asylum and dumping ground by a superior civilization, to get rid of the undesirable and unfit. I can't prove it, but you can't disprove it either.” — Christopher Hitchens

And do you see the point he makes?

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2011,18:28)

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 14 2011,16:03) Ed Quote An “Agnostic” would consider evidence of God's existence, while an athiest would only try to shoot down all the evidence. You've proven which camp you belong to, your words are insincere! An honest person would try to shoot down the evidence, and if the evidence withstood the shooting should accept it as evidence. Your claims do not survive even a light scratching.  To not know it is ignorance, to not acknowledge the possibility that other people know what they are talking about is mindless, and to ignore the genuine advice of others, which you have had from at least three people is boorish. Stuart Hi Stuart, Are you putting 'spin' to my words? I said: “try to shoot down all the evidence.” You can't, however, because it's “ROCK SOLID”! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

No spin required. YOU are the only person on this forum who takes your numerological nonsense seriously. It is tedious bollocks that means nothing, although you can't see that.

Doesn't mean we can't.

Can you please try to stay on-topic in this thread and not mention numerology. It is evidence of your poor maths and not much else.

Thanks.

Stuart

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 14 2011,22:59)

Quote Christopher Hitchens: “My own view is that this planet is used as a penal colony, lunatic asylum and dumping ground by a superior civilization, to get rid of the undesirable and unfit. I can't prove it, but you can't disprove it either.” — Christopher Hitchens And do you see the point he makes? Stuart

Hi Stuart,

Yep, you are a prisoner of your own mind; as was he!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 14 2011,22:58)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2011,18:23) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 14 2011,16:03) Ed Quote He “only” pays the price to those who have been rehabilitated! Religious platitude. (1) What is “he” and (2) why does “he” behave this way? (3) What is the motive that causes this behaviour?  (4) Unless you can answer these questions then you aren’t explaining, you are just asserting dogma like the pope does. Stuart Hi Stuart, 1) Jesus (John 1:29) 2) To fulfill Jer.31:31-33. 3) Because He Loves you! (John 15:13) 4) You won't accept my “informative” answers anyways, because you're an atheist who insincerely claims to be Agnostic. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org No, the reason I am not impressed by your answers is because they are not explanations.  It has nothing to do with my beliefs, your answers are just inadequate. You are telling me a just so story about a being that apparently exists in your imagination that “loves” people and wishes to do something you call “fulfilling”.  That explains nothing about its motives nor what those terms actually mean. Stuart

Hi Stuart,

You wanted answers and I gave you them,
now you say you want an explanation.
What is it you want me to explain?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[theodorej]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 11 2011,18:55)

Christopher Hitchens: “Let’s say that the consensus is that our species, being the higher primates, Homo Sapiens, has been on the planet for at least 100,000 years, maybe more. Francis Collins says maybe 100,000. Richard Dawkins thinks maybe a quarter-of-a-million. I’ll take 100,000. In order to be a Christian, you have to believe that for 98,000 years, our species suffered and died, most of its children dying in childbirth, most other people having a life expectancy of about 25 years, dying of their teeth.    Famine, struggle, bitterness, war, suffering, misery, all of that for 98,000 years. Heaven watches this with complete indifference. And then 2,000 years ago, thinks “That’s enough of that. It’s time to intervene,” and the best way to do this would be by condemning someone to a human sacrifice somewhere in the less literate parts of the Middle East.    Don’t let’s appeal to the Chinese, for example, where people can read and study evidence and have a civilization. Let’s go to the desert and have another revelation there. This is nonsense. It can’t be believed by a thinking person.    Why am I glad this is the case? To get to the point of the wrongness of Christianity, because I think the teachings of Christianity are immoral. The central one is the most immoral of all, and that is the one of vicarious redemption. You can throw your sins onto somebody else, vulgarly known as scapegoating. In fact, originating as scapegoating in the same area, the same desert.    I can pay your debt if I love you. I can serve your term in prison if I love you very much. I can volunteer to do that. I can’t take your sins away, because I can’t abolish your responsibility, and I shouldn’t offer to do so. Your responsibility has to stay with you. There’s no vicarious redemption.    There very probably, in fact, is no redemption at all. It’s just a part of wish-thinking, and I don’t think wish-thinking is good for people either. It even manages to pollute the central question, the word I just employed, the most important word of all: the word love, by making love compulsory, by saying you must love. You must love your neighbor as yourself, something you can’t actually do. You’ll always fall short, so you can always be found guilty.    By saying you must love someone who you also must fear. That’s to say a supreme being, an eternal father, someone of whom you must be afraid, but you must love him, too. If you fail in this duty, you’re again a wretched sinner. This is not mentally or morally or intellectually healthy.    And that brings me to the final objection which is, this is a totalitarian system. If there was a God who could do these things and demand these things of us, and he was eternal and unchanging, we’d be living under a dictatorship from which there is no appeal, and one that can never change and one that knows our thoughts and can convict us of thought crime, and condemn us to eternal punishment for actions that we are condemned in advance to be taking.    All this in the round, and I could say more, it’s an excellent thing that we have absolutely no reason to believe any of it to be true.”

Hey Stu…. Homo sapians were not primates….If Iam wrong Prove It !!!… If Homo Erectus weren't primates…you obviously have some information that i need to know…

[Stu]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2011,08:50)

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 14 2011,22:59) Quote Christopher Hitchens: “My own view is that this planet is used as a penal colony, lunatic asylum and dumping ground by a superior civilization, to get rid of the undesirable and unfit. I can't prove it, but you can't disprove it either.” — Christopher Hitchens And do you see the point he makes? Stuart Hi Stuart, Yep, you are a prisoner of your own mind; as was he! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

No idea what you mean. Is this another religious platitude?

Stuart

[Stu]

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Quote (Stu @ Mar. 14 2011,22:58) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2011,18:23) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 14 2011,16:03) Ed Quote He “only” pays the price to those who have been rehabilitated! Religious platitude. (1) What is “he” and (2) why does “he” behave this way? (3) What is the motive that causes this behaviour?  (4) Unless you can answer these questions then you aren’t explaining, you are just asserting dogma like the pope does. Stuart Hi Stuart, 1) Jesus (John 1:29) 2) To fulfill Jer.31:31-33. 3) Because He Loves you! (John 15:13) 4) You won't accept my “informative” answers anyways, because you're an atheist who insincerely claims to be Agnostic. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org No, the reason I am not impressed by your answers is because they are not explanations.  It has nothing to do with my beliefs, your answers are just inadequate. You are telling me a just so story about a being that apparently exists in your imagination that “loves” people and wishes to do something you call “fulfilling”.  That explains nothing about its motives nor what those terms actually mean. Stuart Hi Stuart, You wanted answers and I gave you them, now you say you want an explanation. What is it you want me to explain? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Answers to me are statements that give the fullest possible account. If the fullest account possible is that your Imaginary Friend or its imagined human representative “only pays the price to those who have been rehabilitated” then I'm afraid it is a mindless belief system as far as I can tell.

Stuart

[Stu]

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Hey Stu…. Homo sapians were not primates….If Iam wrong Prove It !!!… If Homo Erectus weren't primates…you obviously have some information that i need to know…

Homo sapiens is a primate species. That is just a fact which does not require proving really because it is a biological classification.

You could try arguing to have the Linnean classification system changed but I can't see how you would convince others we are not primates. Our ancestry and morphology does not have us closer to any other types of animal.

Stuart

[princess]

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Our ancestry and morphology does not have us closer to any other types of animal.

speak for yourself Stuart. coming from apes, if anything apes came from humans, perhaps with that 'random mutation' you speak of.

hope all is well. take care of yourself.

[Stu]

Quote (princess @ Mar. 16 2011,11:36)

Quote Our ancestry and morphology does not have us closer to any other types of animal. speak for yourself Stuart. coming from apes, if anything apes came from humans, perhaps with that 'random mutation' you speak of. hope all is well. take care of yourself.

I'm afraid this is factually incorrect. No other species has “come from” modern humans, and it is a fact that we are African great apes, even us who live in Oceania and elsewhere.

Not sure how that is a point of debate, because it is just wrong to say we are not apes, and also not sure how it relates to the topic of the thread.

Perhaps christians agree that christianity is immoral and would rather talk about other things. I can understand that!

Take care

Stuart

[theodorej]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 15 2011,17:43)

Quote (theodorej @ Mar. 15 2011,12:18) Hey Stu…. Homo sapians were not primates….If Iam wrong Prove It !!!… If Homo Erectus weren't primates…you obviously have some information that i need to know… Homo sapiens is a primate species.  That is just a fact which does not require proving really because it is a biological classification. You could try arguing to have the Linnean classification system changed but I can't see how you would convince others we are not primates.  Our ancestry and morphology does not have us closer to any other types of animal. Stuart

Greetings Stu…. Being closest only counts when you are throwing hand granades or playing horseshoes…With all do respect to the Linnean theorists….they are wrong…I would love to meet a primate who practices medicine,flies an airplane,sings a song and can converses in multiple languages…and you think by now with all their similarities to the human speci ….they might stop eating their own excrement…

[TimothyVI]

Quote (theodorej @ Mar. 17 2011,12:55)

and you think by now with all their similarities to the human speci ….they might stop eating their own excrement…

Maybe they have a special relationship with God and he tells them to, as He told Ezekial.

Ezekiel 4:12-13

12. And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man

Tim

[princess]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 16 2011,23:08)

Quote (princess @ Mar. 16 2011,11:36) Quote Our ancestry and morphology does not have us closer to any other types of animal. speak for yourself Stuart. coming from apes, if anything apes came from humans, perhaps with that 'random mutation' you speak of. hope all is well. take care of yourself. I'm afraid this is factually incorrect.  No other species has “come from” modern humans, and it is a fact that we are African great apes, even us who live in Oceania and elsewhere. Not sure how that is a point of debate, because it is just wrong to say we are not apes, and also not sure how it relates to the topic of the thread. Perhaps christians agree that christianity is immoral and would rather talk about other things.  I can understand that! Take care Stuart

Stuart

i know, we orginally came from the ocean. wonderful how everything just came together so nicely. amazing. boom/bang the gang is all here. LOL.

truly, Stuart. going for a walk, will think about how that one little cell brought all this about. perhaps it will take only a few steps before i break out in laughter.

keep swinging from branch to branch, perhaps one of these days you will actually stop and realize that you are a materpiece.

much love to you.

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