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The Immaculate Conception is a Holy Day of Obligation that is often confused by Catholics. The Feast Day is on December 8. By the sounds of it, one would think we would celebrate the day Jesus was conceived. On the contrary, it is the day that the Blessed Mother Mary was conceived.
This is one story on how it happened. There are several others available, but this is the most popular. No one knows exactly how it happened.Mary’s parents, Anne and Joachim, were married twenty years without having a child. Joachim felt humiliated by this and had trouble facing his wife. He knew how much she wanted a child. One evening he felt more alone than ever and didn’t come home. Anne overheard some women whispering that Joachim was in the temple. She decided to pray to God to help them.
For a long time, she cried to God that even though she may be barren that she still wanted a good relationship with her husband.
As Anne was crying, an Angel of God came to her and told her that she should feel happy because God has heard her prayer. The Angel’s name was Emmerich. He told her to go to the temple the next day to meet her husband under the Golden Gate. He said that their wait to have a child was over and soon they would learn their child’s name.Anne felt happy and terrified at the same time. She made it home and told the servants to prepare for a trip to the Temple in the morning. When Anne was asleep, Emmerich saw a brightness pouring down on her and transformed into the figure of a shining youth. Stretching his hands over her, he wrote in big letters on the wall “M-A-R-Y.” Afterwards the Angel dissolved and disappeared.
At that exact time, an Angel told Joachim to return to the Temple and his wife would be waiting for him under the Golden Gate. The Angel also announced the end of his disgrace because now his wife will conceive a baby. The Angel anointed him on the forehead.
When Joachim and Anne met, they embraced and were overjoyed about their good news. Even though that nobody can say exactly what happen. Many Saints have received visions of all this.
This is how Mary was conceived without original sin. This belief did not become Dogma until 1854. This concept makes sense if you think about God’s intentions. He wanted the birth of Jesus to be clean of sin. Therefore, he made Mary clean of original sin so she could conceive Jesus.
The above in unscriptural. Mary was not immaculate. She was not born
without sin. Jesus was also born under the yoke of original sin and
he had to be. For if he was not, he could not have defeated death.
By living a life in the flesh as a man and facing all the
temptations of man, and by doing so without sin, at his death, he
defeated death.Now, because he was under the yoke of original sin, he suffered
death, but because of living a life without sin, he defeated death
and was resurrected. Jesus went into the lower parts and preached
the gospel to the righteous dead. For they were being held in death
and could not be set free until Jesus defeated death. They had to
confess as all that Jesus is Lord with the fruit of their lips.Romans 10:10 For with the heart, one believes unto righteousness;
and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.Hi Robyn,
Humanism is the worship of man the creature, rather than the Creator.
It is idolatry.
Rom 1.25f
“25For they exchanged the truth of God for a (AT)lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, (AU)who is blessed forever. Amen.”I used to discuss the Bible with a Catholic lady who told me that “Mary” was not something she was willing to discuss. This lady was zealous to the extreme, always off to some church picnic or some other church affair, and to my suprise had files and folders on different Bible topics. It utterly shocked me. But Mary, we could not discuss. Mary was too holy to her for me to say that the Bible says she had other children, apparently.
The following was the perfect opportunity, Jesus, Mary's son, and our exemplar, to bestow honour and worship to Mary.
LUKE 11:27-28
“Now as he was saying these things a certain woman out of the crowd raised her voice and said to him: “Happy is the womb that carried you and the breasts that you sucked!” But he said: “No, rather, Happy are those hearing the word of God and keeping it!””This person out of the crowd tried to direct attention to Mary. How easy it would have been for Jesus to use this moment to direct us to do so, had this been appropriate. Yet, notice his words. He did no such thing.
Mary is barely mentioned in scripture, except for Jesus birth story. We can learn things from those accounts. But it is not that Mary is to be almost worshipped, as she often is.
As Nick says above, we are to worship the Creator.
The catholic church believes Mary was born from a virgin. This is unreal. It is frightening to think how many believe this. The deception of their false doctrines go long and deep. They have conspired for generations and the poison of their teachings has corrupted the worlds religions. Most christian religions today have some parts of the catholic teachings in their doctrines. For instance, the trinity doctrine. Look at how many denominations still hold this belief as fact. When it can be so easily debunked using the Word of God.
Quote (david @ Aug. 22 2006,20:37) The following was the perfect opportunity, Jesus, Mary's son, and our exemplar, to bestow honour and worship to Mary. LUKE 11:27-28
“Now as he was saying these things a certain woman out of the crowd raised her voice and said to him: “Happy is the womb that carried you and the breasts that you sucked!” But he said: “No, rather, Happy are those hearing the word of God and keeping it!””This person out of the crowd tried to direct attention to Mary. How easy it would have been for Jesus to use this moment to direct us to do so, had this been appropriate. Yet, notice his words. He did no such thing.
Mary is barely mentioned in scripture, except for Jesus birth story. We can learn things from those accounts. But it is not that Mary is to be almost worshipped, as she often is.
As Nick says above, we are to worship the Creator.
Good one david.
Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Aug. 21 2006,20:55) The above in unscriptural. Mary was not immaculate. She was not born
without sin. Jesus was also born under the yoke of original sin and
he had to be. For if he was not, he could not have defeated death.
By living a life in the flesh as a man and facing all the
temptations of man, and by doing so without sin, at his death, he
defeated death.Now, because he was under the yoke of original sin, he suffered
death, but because of living a life without sin, he defeated death
and was resurrected. Jesus went into the lower parts and preached
the gospel to the righteous dead. For they were being held in death
and could not be set free until Jesus defeated death. They had to
confess as all that Jesus is Lord with the fruit of their lips.Romans 10:10 For with the heart, one believes unto righteousness;
and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Okay…Mary was filled with grace by God and she lived a life free from sin. She was preserved by God from the original sin at the time of her conception. Mary was conceived normally, but her soul was preserved by god…kept immaculate. God can do all things. I know it is hard for humans to understand this. It is your human error that prevents you from accepting this fact.Quote (Robyn † @ Aug. 23 2006,16:27) Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Aug. 21 2006,20:55) The above in unscriptural. Mary was not immaculate. She was not born
without sin. Jesus was also born under the yoke of original sin and
he had to be. For if he was not, he could not have defeated death.
By living a life in the flesh as a man and facing all the
temptations of man, and by doing so without sin, at his death, he
defeated death.Now, because he was under the yoke of original sin, he suffered
death, but because of living a life without sin, he defeated death
and was resurrected. Jesus went into the lower parts and preached
the gospel to the righteous dead. For they were being held in death
and could not be set free until Jesus defeated death. They had to
confess as all that Jesus is Lord with the fruit of their lips.Romans 10:10 For with the heart, one believes unto righteousness;
and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Okay…Mary was filled with grace by God and she lived a life free from sin. She was preserved by God from the original sin at the time of her conception. Mary was conceived normally, but her soul was preserved by god…kept immaculate. God can do all things. I know it is hard for humans to understand this. It is your human error that prevents you from accepting this fact.
Hi Robyn,
Are these things written?Robyn, can you provide one singe Scripture that says Mary was free from sin? If she was really free from all sin, why did she need a savior?
David, you are mistaken in thinking that Mary was only mentioned in Scripture at the birth story….
Acts 1:14 These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with {the} women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.”
Mary was also at the Cross when Jesus died:
John 19:25-7 Therefore the soldiers did these things. But standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother, and His mother's sister, Mary the {wife} of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He *said to His mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” Then He *said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” From that hour the disciple took her into his own {household.}”
see also the ff where His mother is mentioned…..
Matt 12:46-50 While He was still speaking to the crowds, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. Someone said to Him, “Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You.” But Jesus answered the one who was telling Him and said, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, “Behold My mother and My brothers! “For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother.”
blessings
Quote (Robyn † @ Aug. 23 2006,16:27) Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Aug. 21 2006,20:55) The above in unscriptural. Mary was not immaculate. She was not born
without sin. Jesus was also born under the yoke of original sin and
he had to be. For if he was not, he could not have defeated death.
By living a life in the flesh as a man and facing all the
temptations of man, and by doing so without sin, at his death, he
defeated death.Now, because he was under the yoke of original sin, he suffered
death, but because of living a life without sin, he defeated death
and was resurrected. Jesus went into the lower parts and preached
the gospel to the righteous dead. For they were being held in death
and could not be set free until Jesus defeated death. They had to
confess as all that Jesus is Lord with the fruit of their lips.Romans 10:10 For with the heart, one believes unto righteousness;
and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Okay…Mary was filled with grace by God and she lived a life free from sin. She was preserved by God from the original sin at the time of her conception. Mary was conceived normally, but her soul was preserved by god…kept immaculate. God can do all things. I know it is hard for humans to understand this. It is your human error that prevents you from accepting this fact.
Robyn, that simply is not true. Where is your proof in scriptures so we all can read and believe?I sort get everyones thinking in this forum. Let's see…there are no Boeing 747-400 mentioned in the bible…therefore Boeing 747's do not exist. It is so sad that you only have connections to the scriptures instead of God himself. If it is not in the scriptures…it is not ture or does not exist.
Hi Robyn,
We are speaking here not of things of the world.
We are discussing spiritual matters from the only reliable source.
Scripture.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 23 2006,22:46) Hi Robyn,
We are speaking here not of things of the world.
We are discussing spiritual matters from the only reliable source.
Scripture.
The ONLY reliable source? More than God himself?Hi Robyn,
If you know of a better way than that which God has told us He speaks to us we would all like to know about it.
But scripture is the source He guarantees.
Heb 1.1f
” 1God, after He (A)spoke long ago to the fathers in (B)the prophets in many portions and Âin many ways,
2(D)in these last days (E)has spoken to us in (F)His Son, whom He appointed (G)heir of all things, (H)through whom also He made the (I)world.”“
Robyn,
Since the Garden of Eden, man has had the choice to believe God or the devil. And when man accepts the words of men over the Word of God he is believing the lies of satan. He is listening to the lies of the serpent.
That is why we are to listen to God and not man.
Quote (Robyn † @ Aug. 23 2006,22:38) I sort get everyones thinking in this forum. Let's see…there are no Boeing 747-400 mentioned in the bible…therefore Boeing 747's do not exist. It is so sad that you only have connections to the scriptures instead of God himself. If it is not in the scriptures…it is not ture or does not exist.
lol, good one Robyn! You go girl!!God has often told me to do things that aren't in the Bible. We have a LIVING relationship with HIM Hallelujah!!
Can I sheepishly say I know my Lord's voice? lol.
Having said that, the Lord has taught me some amazing things by telling me what to look at and what it means. He's an AWESOME teacher!! Even better than Nick!!! lol.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 23 2006,23:47) Hi Robyn,
If you know of a better way than that which God has told us He speaks to us we would all like to know about it.
But scripture is the source He guarantees.
Heb 1.1f
” 1God, after He (A)spoke long ago to the fathers in (B)the prophets in many portions and ©in many ways,
2(D)in these last days (E)has spoken to us in (F)His Son, whom He appointed (G)heir of all things, (H)through whom also He made the (I)world.”“
Nick, if we can only rely on that which is written, how did it get there in the first place? And how did they know that what they were writing was true? Is it not the same Holy Spirit who guides us as guided them?Joh 21:25 And there are also many things, whatever Jesus did, which, if they should be written singly, I suppose the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.
There is MUCH more to my God than can be contained in the Scriptures. Do not limit HIM!
Hi Oxy,
We can be assured that the Spirit of God will not take us beyond what is written.
Therein is our safe path.1Jn 16
” 13″But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.14″He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.
15″All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you”
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 26 2006,07:26) Hi Oxy, We can be assured that the Spirit of God will not take us beyond what is written.
Therein is our safe path.1Jn 16
” 13″But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.14″He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.
15″All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you”
Sorry Nick, there is no way I am going to stop listening to the Lord. I would miss out on an incredible amount of my relationship with Him if I only went by my Bible.Otherwise, how do you explain this??
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
Nick.. don't EVER limit God my friend.
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