The image of the beast

[Arnold]

Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2010,12:07)

Quote (Arnold @ July 30 2010,21:32) Ed J It appears as though it didn't bother you that I called you a blasphemer, no surprise, it wouldn't bother Satan either. Hi Georg, John 15:18-20 If the world(as in Georg) hate you, ye know that it hated me(יהשוע) before it hated you(Ed J). If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you(Ed J) out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you(Ed J); if they have kept my(יהשוע) saying, they will keep yours(Ed J) also. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I don't hate you, or any one else; what I am doing is, is exposing you and your false doctrine.
You are right in what you said “I AM THAT I AM” means, and I never said that that was God's name, not that you said I did.
You went to a lot of trouble trying to show what scriptures have Satan in it by adding (I AM), which they don't, and you didn't realise that by doing so, you showed your ignorance of those scriptures. For instance;

“””N.W.T. 2Thess.2:4 “He (‘i am’) is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called God=63(YHVH=63) or an object of reverence, so that he (i am) sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god.”””

This is in fact talking about Antichrist (the popes) which during the dark and middle ages, made people think they had as much power as God.
Sitting in (over) the temple (the saints are the new temple not made by hands) of God.

“””AKJV John 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world (i am) is judged. The prince of this world is 'i am'(satan; the son of perdition).”””

Satan is the prince of this world alright, but he is not the son of perdition, Antichrist, the pope is.

“”” AKJV 2Thess.2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”””

The falling away occurred during the time of his (the popes) reign, as he had every one executed that would not except his doctrine.

“””AKJV 2Thess.2:8 And then shall that Wicked (i am) be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth (Rev.19:15), and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan (Mark 13:6) with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:”””

Although no longer “ruling”, the pope will lead his church until the very end, Christ's return.
You are, as I said, a deceiver, because this is how you put the scripture.

“””AKJV Mark 13:6 For many shall come in my(Christ's) name,
saying, I am; and shall deceive many. (Romans 1:25 / John 6:15)”””

And this is how it really reads.

Mark 13: 6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

You put up scriptures, again, of which you have no understanding what they mean, like these.

“””AKJV Rev.13:11 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads (i am) the name of blasphemy.

Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he (i am) corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God (YHVH) shall be strong, and do exploits .”””

You don't seem to stop at nothing to sell your “I AM” theory, and that is why I will expose you where ever I can.

GEORG

[Ed J]

Hi Georg,

This thread is about a false flesh return 'image' of Jesus.
Do you believe the systems of religion's flesh return? (1John 4:3)

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Arnold]

Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2010,19:26)

Hi Georg, This thread is about a false flesh return 'image' of Jesus. Do you believe the systems of religion's flesh return? (1John 4:3) Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Did you go to military training to learn how to camouflage?

Btw, this thread is about “the image of the BEAST”; oh,..I forgot, you don't know what a beast is.

[Ed J]

Hi Georg,

Do you believe the systems of religion's flesh return? (1John 4:3)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Arnold]

Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2010,20:17)

Hi Georg, Do you believe the systems of religion's flesh return? (1John 4:3) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

1 John 4:3 doesn't speak of a flesh “return”.

[Ed J]

Quote (Arnold @ July 31 2010,20:35)

Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2010,20:17) Hi Georg, Do you believe the systems of religion's flesh return? (1John 4:3) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org 1 John 4:3 doesn't speak of a flesh “return”.

Hi Georg,

That doesn't answer my question; Please answer; OK?

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Arnold]

Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2010,20:46)

Quote (Arnold @ July 31 2010,20:35) Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2010,20:17) Hi Georg, Do you believe the systems of religion's flesh return? (1John 4:3) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org 1 John 4:3 doesn't speak of a flesh “return”. Hi Georg, That doesn't answer my question; Please answer; OK? Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Then you should not have put that scripture behind it.

How can there be a flesh return, Jesus was resurrected in a spirit body; that flesh body he was given because he came to die for flesh.

2Cr 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

2Cr 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Jesus has now a divine, glorified body, coming in the flesh, would you call that coming in all his glory?

[Ed J]

Quote (Arnold @ July 31 2010,21:13)

Jesus has now a divine, glorified body, coming in the flesh, would you call that coming in all his glory?

Hi Georg,

Explain what you mean by this?
And I still don't understand your answer to this question…
Do you believe the systems of religion's flesh return?
Could you clarify this answer as well?

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Arnold]

Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2010,21:21)

Quote (Arnold @ July 31 2010,21:13) Jesus has now a divine, glorified body, coming in the flesh, would you call that coming in all his glory? Hi Georg, Explain what you mean by this? And I still don't understand your answer to this question… Do you believe the systems of religion's flesh return? Could you clarify this answer as well? Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

That is what his glorious body is like now.

2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Jesus now is divine, immortal.

Jhn 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself (immortality); so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself (immortality);

“””Do you believe the systems of religion's flesh return?
Could you clarify this answer as well?”””

Well, if I didn't answer that question, perhaps you better explain your question. What do you mean by, “systems of religion's flesh return”?
I, for one, have never heard of it.

[Arnold]

Bump for Ed

[Ed J]

Quote (Arnold @ Aug. 01 2010,20:31)

Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2010,21:21) Quote (Arnold @ July 31 2010,21:13) Jesus has now a divine, glorified body, coming in the flesh, would you call that coming in all his glory? Hi Georg, Explain what you mean by this? And I still don't understand your answer to this question… Do you believe the systems of religion's flesh return? Could you clarify this answer as well? Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Rev 1:16   And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.   That is what his glorious body is like now. 2Pe 1:4   Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.   Jesus now is divine, immortal. Jhn 5:26   For as the Father hath life in himself (immortality); so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself (immortality);   “””Do you believe the systems of religion's flesh return? Could you clarify this answer as well?””” Well, if I didn't answer that question, perhaps you better explain your question. What do you mean by, “systems of religion's flesh return”? I, for one, have never heard of it.

Hi Georg,

Thank you!

The systems of religion say: Jesus is going to (falsely) return in the flesh.
You have been in these systems; you mean you never heard of such?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Everyone,

1Cor.15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made
a living soul; the last Adam (Jesus Christ) a quickening spirit.

                      Image of God

Gen:1:27: So God created man in his own image…

                      Image of man

Gen:5:3: And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years,
and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

                     Image of Man

Most people worship Rev.13:1 as a false flesh second coming of Jesus. (Romans 1:25 / 2 Cor.5:16)
Rev.13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the (Adam) beast, that the image of the beast
should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. (John 16:2-3)

               Restored image of God

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Cor.4:3-4 But if our gospel (The Spiritual Kingdom) be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not (1John 4:2),
lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. (Click Here)

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[davidbfun]

Rev 13:17 and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

[Baker]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 28 2010,12:51)

Rev 13:17 and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Professor

This verse has a lot of people worried for no reason other then, it is so misunderstood.
What no man could by or sell was the word of God, the Bible.
During the dark, and middle ages, the Roman Catholic Church would not allow anyone to own or read the Bible, except for the clergy, and they where taught the popes doctrine. If you were caught reading the bible, you were executed.
This verse is not for our time, thank God.
Maybe you don't know this, the Vatican did not abolish torture until 1834.
The “mark” of the beast/Rome, was the cross.
The “number” of his name refers to the pope, meaning, you have to be a clergy.

Georg

[davidbfun]

Hello Georg,

So you are saying that these verses were completed in the past?

Rev 13:16-17 And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

I hear conjecture on your part but would you be able to show any Scripture? Because what you explain doesn't seem to go along with the verses.

Thanks,

[Baker]

Professor

The book of Revelation is more symbolic then the book of Daniel, but they both go hand in hand.
The first time, the one most ministers refer to as, “the Antichrist”,  is mentioned, is in the book of Daniel.

Dan 7:8   I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.  

A horn stands for Ruler, or King; eyes stand for intelligence, and a mouth speaking great things means, he was a great orator. It was also said about him, that he would make war with the saints.

Dan 7:21   I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;  

For how long?

Dan 7:25   And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.  

Now, compare these scriptures with the book of Revelation.

Rev 13:5   And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

 Rev 13:7   And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.  

This is the same individual referred to as “The Antichrist”; there are many anti-Christs, but this is the one who let the whole world astray.
A “time” in biblical terms is a year of 360 days, “times” means two years, and “half a time” means a half year, the same as 42 month.
Now, in our calculation that would be 1260 days, but God counts a year for a day; just as he made the Israelites wonder in the dessert for 40 years, a year for each day they were scouting out the land they were to possess. So, in other words, this little horn/ruler was to rule for 1260 years.
He began to rule in 565 when Justinian, the last emperor of the east and the west, died. No other emperor was able to maintain control over the west after him, and so this “little horn” took over command, in the same fashion as the Romans did;
By the way, “little” means, he had a small beginning, the fact that he began on the head of the Roman beast, Dan. 7:8, shows he had his beginning during the Roman period.

Rev 13:12   And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.  

Rev 13:14   And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
 
that's why he is referred to as the image of the beast/Rome.

Rev 13:15   And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.  

This “image” was, and still is, a great religious system, and until the early 19th Century, he ruled just like the Romans did, by force, and threats.
By “worship” is meant, you except his rule, and doctrines, if you were to oppose him in any way, you would be killed.

 Rev 13:16   And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:  

Most people don't pay attention that it says “A” mark, people think it is 666. 666 is the number of his name, or title; something he calls himself.
“A mark”, refers to his many false doctrines, if you were not to except them, you would be killed.
In their “right hand” means, you excepted them; in their “forehead” means, you believed them.
Verse 17, I already explained.

You will never know when you go through a prophecy, only later, when you can line up history with a prophecy, will you know.

Georg

[terraricca]

georg

what is your view on the fact that the beast comes out of the earth ? and the other one comes out of the water.

Pierre

[Baker]

Pierre

Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

We know what these beasts represent.

Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

So, did these “beasts” (kings) come out of the sea, or the earth?
“SEA” is symbolic for “nations”, while “earth” is symbolic for “all” people.
The “little Horn” mentioned in Dan. 7:8, is the same as the one described as “the beast coming out of the earth” in Rev. 13:11. He was no king at all, but he eventually became so powerful that he ruled like a king. The reason he is compared to a “beast”, like the other four in Dan. 7:4-7, is, because he ruled just like they did, with brutality and force.
He tried to appear as Christ (the Lamb with two horns), but what he spake, his doctrines (false gospel) were devilish.

Georg

[terraricca]

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 11 2010,17:44)

Pierre Dan 7:3   And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.   We know what these beasts represent. Dan 7:17   These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.   So, did these “beasts” (kings) come out of the sea, or the earth? “SEA” is symbolic for “nations”, while “earth” is symbolic for “all” people. The “little Horn” mentioned in Dan. 7:8, is the same as the one described as “the beast coming out of the earth” in Rev. 13:11. He was no king at all, but he eventually became so powerful that he ruled like a king. The reason he is compared to a “beast”, like the other four in Dan. 7:4-7, is, because he ruled just like they did, with brutality and force. He tried to appear as Christ (the Lamb with two horns), but what he spake, his doctrines (false gospel) were devilish. Georg

georg

thanks

Pierre

[terraricca]

all

an image is a reflection or a simillar view of the real thing,

Pierre

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