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Hi Everybody,
Rev.13:15 And he ((*The False Prophet)) had power to give life unto the image of the (Adam) beast,
that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as
would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.Understanding this image ( Click Here) <-- Third and Last Post (And Click Here)
In Rev.13:15 the false prophet causes those who don't worship this image of Adam should be killed. HOW ?
By claiming a futuristic (false) flesh return of Jesus; whoever does not worship this image is killed! (John 16:1-3)Jesus returned at Pentecost (Click Here)
We need to fully understand the difference between the image of Adam and Christ!
1Cor.15:49: And as we have borne the image of the earthy(Like Seth), (Rev. 13:15)
we shall also bear the image of the heavenly(Same as Christ!). (2Corinthians 4:3-4)God bless
Ed J (Daniel 11:18 / Eccl.9:12-16)
PS> Please read through ALL the references to understand this 'antichrist' DECEPTION!
Reason for edit: (*This second beast) is not “The Anti-Christ” but is the false prophet: (see fourth post)Hi All,
Identifying the problem
First we must Identify the problem.
The issue here is the same provocative issue replicated in every instance related to it.
To avoid confusion I split my response into two parts. The first: identifying the problem.
The second Post: Identification of the (spiritual) players who play into this problem.
Then we will be in a better position to discuss how this plays into our physical reality.
BackgroundIt all revolves around Jesus. This issue is viewed as a FAKE Physical “Second Coming“.
Jesus REAL “Second Coming” was SPIRITUAL and already occurred at “Pentecost“! (Matt.16:28 / Luke 9:27)A 'fake' physical return is 'antichrist'; and ALL the systems of religion are promoting this fallacy. (1 John 4:3-4)
This is the REAL issue here and there can 'only' remain confusion as long as this fallacy persists!
Unless we can have consensus on this ONE issue alone; THERE CAN BE NO CONSENSUS!!!!
All your efforts then become a BIG waste of time; think about this provocative “Bible Truth”!Illuminating the Problem…
Psalm 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD(YHVH) than to put confidence in man.
Jer.17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man,
and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.The fallacy (of making Jesus a 'flesh King') begins by ignoring these Scriptures…
Psalm 29:10 The LORD sitteth upon the flood; yea, the LORD(YHVH) sitteth King for ever.
Psalm 10:16 The LORD(YHVH) is King for ever and ever: the heathen are perished out of his land.
GOD The Father is Our King(FOREVER) and He will NOT be replaced EVER! (I Samuel 8:5-8)Heb.13:8: Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
John 6:15: When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force,
to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.Bible Truth
The Bible is very clear on this issue of Son-ship to God…
Jesus' Father(HolySpirit) is GOD and Jesus is the “Son of God. (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:135)Furthermore: We are ALL children of the most high(ALL Son's of God: in our flesh). (Psalm 82:6)
The AKJV Bible uses LORD of Hosts: YHVH(LORD) and…His Hosts: Jesus and ALL of His brethren! (Rev.11:15)The Problem consists of
Changing this “Bible Truth” into a LIE, which is where 'the problem' begins. (Rom.1:25)
I have now explained 'the problem' in great detail in this: the first Post of two Posts.
In the next Post: The (spiritual) players that work to promote this fallacy are Biblically identified.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Again,
Identification of the players
The Spiritual Players of this problem are ((The Dragon)) of Rev.12:3(Luicifer/satan),
Rev.13:1((Antichrist)) and Rev.13:11((False Prophet))Jesus said: “every kingdom divided against itself cannot stand” (Mark 3:24).
The Dragon divides its great authority to the False Prophet and the Antichrist.
These three are exposed as the unholy trinity of the Antichrist (1John 2:22),
its/his False Prophet (Rev. 13:18), along with the Dragon’s great authority (Rev. 17:3).(First Beast)Antichrist: Rev.13:1
This beast directs worship towards himself because
it receives its power and authority from the dragon;
however ALL worship rightfully belongs only to GOD(YHVH).“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (this antichrist beast),
whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” (Rev. 13:8)
“And the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.”(Second Beast)The False Prophet: Rev.13:11
“And he (the false prophet) exercises all the power of the ‘first beast’ before him,
and causes the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the ‘first beast’,
whose deadly wound was healed”(Rev. 13:12). The first beast is seen(by John) rise up out of a sea of people.“And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns
like a lamb, and he spoke as a dragon” (Rev. 13:11). The beast’s number, 666,
is referred to as the false prophet because it/he directs worship away from GOD.“Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore (60) and six” (Rev. 13:18).(The ringleader)The Dragon: Rev.12:3, Rev.17:3
“So he carried me (John) away in the spirit into the wilderness:
and I saw [a whore] sitting upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy,
having seven heads and ten horns.” (Rev. 17:3) “And there appeared another wonder in heaven;
and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads” (Rev. 12:3).
This red dragon of Rev. 17:3 is the scarlet-colored beast of Rev. 12:3 and this great red dragon (or beast) has a rider,
which is the great whore. Rv:17:15 15: And he saith unto me, the waters(of the sea) which thou saw,
where the whore sits, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.“For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil” (1John 3:8).
The ‘works of the devil’ manifest as the false prophet’s ability to give the antichrist the dragon’s great authority.
This means a (FREE WILL) choice was manifested through the Son of God(Jesus) to strip the antichrist of his counterfeit authority.The first and second beasts can be seen a physical manifestations which represent their ringleader Lucifer/satan.
Once we understand the spiritual battle, then we can plug in physical manifestations which represent these entities.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi ED:
This second beast is not “The Anti-Christ” but is the false prophet:
Quote Revelation 13:11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six
And I believe the two horns are the two divisions of Islam. They say that they are serving God, therefore, they look like a lamb, but they speak as a dragon (that is the message that they bring is a lie), and therefore, through the deception, they cause those who believe their lie not to be saved and the scripture states that all who are not saved will worship the Anti-Christ.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Everybody,
A closer look at 'The Problem'
Georg is all worried about the physical correlation of the beasts, which they also do have.
But without understanding the spiritual application: the physical correlation doesn't amount
to much significance at all! The spiritual application is addressed by the Apostle Paul in…
Eph. 6:12: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.The two 'spiritual' beasts of Rev.13:1 and 13:11: just what are they about?
The first beast (Rev.13:1) is: Identified by John in 1John 4:3 as the spirit of antichrist; look carefully at what it does…
1John 4:3: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that
spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.The second beast (Rev.13:11) causes all to worship the image of the first beast (Rev.13:1).
Both beasts (13:1, 13:11) of Rev. refer to this spiritual wickedness (Eph.6:12) in 'high places'!Bringing it all together for the readers of this thread!
The 'antichrist' message is: Jesus is going to come in the flesh; but the scripture says he already came. (Click Here)
This 'antichrist' message that is deceiving the whole world is 'A FLESH SECOND COMING' of Jesus!
“The second coming of Jesus” that “The Bible” refers to in John 14:23 occurred at “Pentecost”!
The world is deceived (by spirit of 'antichrist') into 'thinking' Jesus will (Falsely) make a 'flesh return'!This is the image that is worshiped by mystery Babylon(Rev.17:5), the 'flesh of Jesus'! (Rom.1:25)
The false prophet's(666) message of Rev.13:12-15 is clearly understood as “Bible Truth” is the light!
“Bible Truth”(AKJV Eph.5:13-14) is the light: He(the false prophet) will work hard to KILL “The Truth”! (Rev.13:15)
I will go into a lot more detail in this thread as God's “Bible Truth” is understood by the readers.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (942767 @ June 26 2010,13:01) Hi ED: This second beast is not “The Anti-Christ” but is the false prophet:
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty,Did you even read the thread?
Look at the Post above yours.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed:
Yes, I do read what you have posted, but I was responding to what you said here:
Quote Hi Everybody, Rev.13:15 And he (Antichrist) had power to give life unto the image of the (Adam) beast,
that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as
would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.And I would say, that he (the false prophet)had power to give life to the image of the beast because of the deception.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ June 26 2010,13:24) Hi Ed: Yes, I do read what you have posted, but I was responding to what you said here:
Quote Hi Everybody, Rev.13:15 And he (Antichrist) had power to give life unto the image of the (Adam) beast,
that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as
would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.And I would say, that he (the false prophet)had power to give life to the image of the beast because of the deception.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty,Sorry, it should read the 'false prophet';
I Can't change it, because I cannot Edit it;
but I can re-post and edited version, so I will.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS. Thanks for catching my mistake!(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Edit)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
This important information needs it's own thread.
Hi Everybody,
Rev.13:15 And he (The False Prophet) had power to give life unto the image of the (Adam) beast,
that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as
would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.Understanding this image ( Click Here) <– Third and Last Post (And Click Here)
In Rev.13:15 the false prophet causes those who don't worship this image of Adam should be killed. HOW ?
By claiming a futuristic (false) flesh return of Jesus; whoever does not worship this image is killed! (John 16:1-3)Jesus returned at Pentecost (Click Here)
We need to fully understand the difference between the image of Adam and Christ!
1Cor.15:49: And as we have borne the image of the earthy(Like Seth), (Rev. 13:15)
we shall also bear the image of the heavenly(Same as Christ!). (2Corinthians 4:3-4)God bless
Ed J (Daniel 11:18 / Eccl.9:12-16)
PS> Please read through ALL the references to understand this 'antichrist' DECEPTION!Hi Everybody,
'The Problem' is clearly identified.
The whore is riding the red dragon
The beast that that the whore of Rev.17:3 is riding is the great red dragon of Rev.12:3.
The red dragon is the (i am=23) that was, and is not (and yet is), and ascends out of the bottomless pit.Mystery Babylon is the whore
Mystery Babylon: The mother of harlots is riding the red dragon (of Rev.17:3) because she worships the image told
by false prophet, which causes the whole earth to worship the antichrist's name of blasphemy: 'i am'=23. (Rev.13:1)
Mark 3:26: If Satan (i am) rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an 'end'=23.Identifying the 'antichrist'
satan's=74 name is Lucifer=74 known as the 'great i am'=74 and is the 'antichrist' of Rev.13:1. (74+74+74=222)
Satan did rise up against himself, so his kingdom is divided and it cannot stand but hath an 'end'. (Haggai 2:22)888 divided into 666 and 222 (Rev.16:19)
Rev.17:13: These with one mind are (physically) represented as satan divided
into the 'antichrist' (222) of Rev.13:1 and the false prophet (666) of Rev.13:11.
These are the ones that are declaring with one mind that 'i am' is their god.
The false prophet's image is [Ιησους=888] Ē-Ā-Soos as a flesh god,
which is called by the antichrist's 'name of blasphemy': i am.Identifying the image
The image: which both the 'antichrist'(222) and the 'false prophet'(666) worship is…
[222+666=888] a false flesh god under the Greek name [Ιησους=888]! (Isaiah 53:12)Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Marty. I agree with you.
Its sometimes only when someone looks at Islam, gets into it themselves they can see what it truely means. Sometimes we cant know or identify something without seeing it for ourselves.
So many people where I live dont have a clue about it. They cant understand it. They dont know what the words are in the Quran. Within Islam they have their own prophecies. To do with the end days. Its like a conterfeit Jesus, a false Jesus.
Its good to see though so many of them turning to Jesus, many through dreams and visions. It is a miricle in itself because it goes against all they have known. And thats in a world where America etc are acting wrong (Eg Iraq) and where they also get persecuted for changing their religion (To Chritianity) and with todays Christianity often in error.
Only aproximatly 1%of the Christian world are witnessing to them. Because its too risky in mnay countries.
I realise people say the end time false prophet etc is the Catholic church, false Christianity, but to me there not exactly Anti-Christ, where islam has so much that fits in with the end days. Its putting it all together which can be difficult.
Hi:
Maybe for the image of the beast, we need to look at the image that Nebuchadnezzar set up.
Quote Revelation 9:20
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (karmarie @ June 26 2010,13:39) Hi Marty. I agree with you. Its sometimes only when someone looks at Islam, gets into it themselves they can see what it truely means. Sometimes we cant know or identify something without seeing it for ourselves.
So many people where I live dont have a clue about it. They cant understand it. They dont know what the words are in the Quran. Within Islam they have their own prophecies. To do with the end days. Its like a conterfeit Jesus, a false Jesus.
Its good to see though so many of them turning to Jesus, many through dreams and visions. It is a miricle in itself because it goes against all they have known. And thats in a world where America etc are acting wrong (Eg Iraq) and where they also get persecuted for changing their religion (To Chritianity) and with todays Christianity often in error.
Only aproximatly 1%of the Christian world are witnessing to them. Because its too risky in mnay countries.
I realise people say the end time false prophet etc is the Catholic church, false Christianity, but to me there not exactly Anti-Christ, where islam has so much that fits in with the end days. Its putting it all together which can be difficult.
Hi Karamie:To reach them we must live and teach the Word of God in truth.
There is “One God” and “one mediator between man and God, the man, Christ Jesus.” “There is no trinity”.Love in Christ,
MartyHi Marty and Karmarie,
Islam preaches a flesh return of Jesus as well.
The false prophet is bigger than just Islam. (2Thees.2:1-5)We need to fully understand the difference between the image of Adam and Christ!
1Cor.15:49: And as we have borne the image of the earthy(Like Seth), (Rev. 13:15)
we shall also bear the image of the heavenly(Same as Christ!). (2Corinthians 4:3-4)2Thees.2:1-11 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled,
neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a
falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth
and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as
God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not,
that, when I was yet with you, I told you And now ye know what withholdeth that
he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only
he who now letteth will let, until he (the false prophet) be taken out of the way.
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the
[HolySpirit] of his mouth(Rev.19:11-21), and shall destroy with the brightness
of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power
and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them
that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 26 2010,14:02) Hi Marty and Karmarie, Islam preaches a flesh return of Jesus as well.
The false prophet is bigger than just Islam. (2Thees.2:1-5)We need to fully understand the difference between the image of Adam and Christ!
1Cor.15:49: And as we have borne the image of the earthy(Like Seth), (Rev. 13:15)
we shall also bear the image of the heavenly(Same as Christ!). (2Corinthians 4:3-4)2Thees.2:1-11 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled,
neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a
falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth
and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as
God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not,
that, when I was yet with you, I told you And now ye know what withholdeth that
he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only
he who now letteth will let, until he (the false prophet) be taken out of the way.
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the
[HolySpirit] of his mouth(Rev.19:11-21), and shall destroy with the brightness
of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power
and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them
that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed:To be sure, yes, there are many false prophets, decievers who will cause many not to believe the truth and be saved, but as there are many anti-Christs, there is but “One Anti-Christ” who will set himself up in the temple of God showing himself to be God. There is also that False Prophet, who is shown to have two horns, who looks like a lamb, but speaks as a dragon.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Everybody,
Here is what “The Bible” says about flesh worship. (2Thess. 2:11)
Romans1:22-25 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like
to corruptible man(Gen.5:3), and to birds(rapture), and four-footed beasts
(their sacred cow), and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to
uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies
between themselves(man made doctrines): Who changed the truth of God into a lie
(a flesh return of Jesus), and worshipped and served the creature (Jesus) more than
the Creator (YHVH), who is blessed for ever. Amen. (See Psalm 10:16 and Psalm 29:10)God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (karmarie @ June 27 2010,20:12) Hi Ed. So IYO what is the 'image of the beast'? (simple, easy to understand… please!) ha.
HI Karmarie,We need to fully understand the difference between the image of Adam and Christ!
1Cor.15:49: And as we have borne the image of the earthy(Like Seth), (Rev. 13:15)
we shall also bear the image of the heavenly(Same as Christ!). (2Corinthians 4:3-4)Gen.5:3: And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat
a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:2Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,
lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (karmarie @ June 27 2010,20:44) Hi Ed, I dont follow?
Hi Karmarie,John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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