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- September 16, 2014 at 11:01 am#769359CamilliaParticipant
He left at the Ascension, which was 3 – 4 days pryer to “Pentecost”, and returned
(in spirit form) on “Pentecost”; fulfilling John 14:23 (see also Hebrews 9:28 and Romans 8:11).Hi Ed, so you believe that Jesus is now the Holy Spirit? What is the Son of Man in heaven?
September 16, 2014 at 11:08 am#769362Ed JParticipantEd, and killing was also a part of Christianity’s history, and still is (how many Christians take part in invasions for example). What’s your point?
Hi Camillia,
My point is: we are taught not to kill by our leader (Messiah),
but they ARE TAUGHT to behead by their leader (false prophet of Rev).___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODSeptember 16, 2014 at 11:17 am#769365Ed JParticipantHe left at the Ascension, which was 3 – 4 days pryer to “Pentecost”, and returned
(in spirit form) on “Pentecost”; fulfilling John 14:23 (see also Hebrews 9:28 and Romans 8:11).Hi Ed, (1)so you believe that Jesus is now the Holy Spirit? (2)What is the Son of Man in heaven?
1) No, Jesus’ spirit is “the spirit of Christ”;
the HolySpirit is the spirit of Jesus’ father, YHVH.2) Jesus is “the son of man” mentioned in Daniel. (ref. Daniel 7:13)
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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODSeptember 16, 2014 at 11:27 am#769367NickHassanParticipantHi ED,
Jesus had a human spirit.
It left at calvary.The Holy Spirit abided to raise him and give him eternal life
September 16, 2014 at 11:34 am#769368CamilliaParticipant1) No, Jesus’ spirit is “the spirit of Christ”;
the HolySpirit is the spirit of Jesus’ father, YHVH.2) Jesus is “the son of man” mentioned in Daniel. (ref. Daniel 7:13)
1)There is only one spirit, that is the Holy Spirit.
2) Yes, I agree, Jesus IS the Son of Man in Daniel 7:13.
But, if you say Jesus (the Son of Man) returned at Pentecost, then you are saying that Jesus is the Holy Spirit (as there is only one Spirit).
September 16, 2014 at 6:24 pm#769551Ed JParticipantHi ED,
(1)Jesus had a human spirit.
(2)It left at calvary.(3)The Holy Spirit abided to raise him and give him eternal life
Hi Nick,
1) Jesus was born with “the Spirit of Christ” – Jesus was born “the Son of God”
2) You mean Jesus died.3) “The Spirit” that Christ received at Jordan was the “HolySpirit” of his father; not his own spirit (spirit of Christ).
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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODSeptember 16, 2014 at 6:30 pm#769552Ed JParticipant1) No, Jesus’ spirit is “the spirit of Christ”;
the HolySpirit is the spirit of Jesus’ father, YHVH.2) Jesus is “the son of man” mentioned in Daniel. (ref. Daniel 7:13)
1)There is only one spirit, that is the Holy Spirit.
2) Yes, I agree, Jesus IS the Son of Man in Daniel 7:13.
But, if you say Jesus (the Son of Man) returned at Pentecost, then you are saying that Jesus is the Holy Spirit (as there is only one Spirit).
Hi Camillia,
If there is only one spirit as YOU claim, who is the the “WE” and “OUR” in John 14:23?
“Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.” (John 14:23)___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODSeptember 16, 2014 at 7:15 pm#769584kerasParticipantLets get back on track with the original post;
People who believe that most, if not all, the prophesies of the Old Testament have been fulfilled in the past, are those who prefer to not face the reality of a forthcoming, worldwide devastation by the Lord.
The prophesies of this judgement/punishment onto the enemies of God, are very well described throughout the O.T. and are confirmed by the New Testament. In over 100 scripture passages, this terrifying event is vividly described as a devastating fire sent by God from the sun, that will literally fulfil all that is predicted about it.
Some of the prophesies speak in an allegorical way about this event, Joel 2:1-11 is an example. But most say what will happen, in an unambiguous way, for example:
Ezekiel 7:17… people will wet their pants in fright as they see what is coming.
Isaiah 24:1 Be warned, the Lord is about to strip the earth and scatter its inhabitants.
Zephaniah 3:8 On the Day I accuse the whole earth, it will be enveloped by My burning anger. I will pour out My wrath upon the nations.
2 Peter 3:7 …the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, for the Day of Judgement and the destruction of the ungodly.
Psalm 50:3 Our God is coming, with His consuming fire and raging storm…
Nothing like that has happened to the world as yet, but what is so clearly described could and will happen; if we are to believe the Bible. Secular scientists are aware of this possibility of a devastating sunstrike, in fact, they say there is a high probability of such an event and it could occur at any time.
It is a mistake to think these prophesies and all the others that tell of this event, are past history, or abrogated by Jesus. Remember He is prophesied to come: ‘like a lightning flash, seen from East to West… Mathew 24:27-28 and ‘with His winnowing fork in His hand …to burn the chaff on a fire….Matthew 3:12
Then: where the vultures gather, there will be the carcasses. Vultures: the attackers of Israel. Carcasses: Those killed on that Day. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Psalm 97:3-5, Jer. 9:22
September 16, 2014 at 9:24 pm#769714NickHassanParticipantHi ED,
There is no history recorded of Jesus being anointed with the Spirit of Christ before the jordan, and no evidence of any such spiritual blessing.
September 16, 2014 at 10:03 pm#769717Ed JParticipantHi ED,
There is no history recorded of Jesus being anointed with the Spirit of Christ before the jordan, and no evidence of any such spiritual blessing.
Hi Nick,
The text says that Jesus was baptized with the HolySpirit
at the Jordan, not baptized with “the spirit of Christ”.
You shouldn’t try to alter the meaning of the text.The bible says Jesus was born “the Christ”, do you want the verse?
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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODSeptember 18, 2014 at 10:12 am#770448CamilliaParticipantEd,
If there is only one spirit as YOU claim, who is the the “WE” and “OUR” in John 14:23?
No. YOU claim there is more than one Spirit. SCRIPTURES state there is only one spirit.
1st Corinthians & Ephesians 4.
4. Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit.
4. One body, and one Spirit.
11. All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.
13. In one spirit we were batised.So can you admit your opinion is incorrect?
“Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.” (John 14:23)Yes, through the Holy Spirit.
How do you think the Father and Son are in Heaven, and we are down here?September 18, 2014 at 10:21 am#770449CamilliaParticipantKeras,
He is prophesied to come: ‘like a lightning flash, seen from East to West… Mathew 24:27-28 and ‘with His winnowing fork in His hand …to burn the chaff on a fire….Matthew 3:12
Yes, his coming will be the end of the world when the planet burns (2nd Peter 3)
Why do you say it will not be.
September 18, 2014 at 10:22 am#770450NickHassanParticipantHi Cam,
The Spirit is one.
But the Spirit is multibraided.
From the one Spirit comes various gifts and fruit.
In the One Spirit we can fellowship with the Father and the Son.2jn 1Jn1 etc
September 18, 2014 at 10:24 am#770451NickHassanParticipantHi ED,
The HOLY SPIRIT does not specify Father or Son or both.But from the order shown in scripture we are first given the Spirit of Christ and then the Spirit of truth from the Father is given
September 18, 2014 at 10:28 am#770458NickHassanParticipantHi ED,
The Christ was born. He was not yet anointed but known in prophecy as the appointed one.September 18, 2014 at 10:32 am#770460CamilliaParticipantHi Cam,
The Spirit is one.
But the Spirit is multibraided.
From the one Spirit comes various gifts and fruit.
In the One Spirit we can fellowship with the Father and the Son.Nick, yes (multibraided). But only one spirit according to scripture.
September 18, 2014 at 10:35 am#770461NickHassanParticipantHi Cam,
Yes one Holy SpiritSeptember 19, 2014 at 10:10 am#770778kerasParticipantThe Lord will punish the godless
Isaiah 26:20-21 Go, My people, withdraw for a little while, until the Lord’s wrath has passed. The Lord is coming to punish the wicked and apostate peoples of the earth. All sins will be exposed and brought to light.
Isaiah 27:1-12 On that Day, the Lord will punish with His powerful sword Leviathan, that twisting serpent. He will kill the monster of the deep. Rev. 13:1-2
On that Day, sing of the fruitful vineyard – I the Lord am its keeper. I tend it constantly, but I get no fruit from it. If only it were briars and thorns, then I would not hesitate to destroy it. But if they [righteous Israel] come to Me for refuge, I will let them make peace with Me. In a time to come, Jacob’s posterity will prosper and Israel will flourish. They will fill the whole earth with fruit.
Has the Lord struck Israel, as He killed their enemies? No, the atonement for Jacob’s guilt is made by their sojourn in exile. All the idol worshipping altars and sacred objects will be destroyed.
The fortified cities lie abandoned. Animals graze there and the trees are dead, good only for firewood. For they were a people without understanding, so their Maker will show them no favour.
On that Day, the Lord will thresh the grain from the Euphrates to the Wadi of Egypt and you, Israelites will be gathered one by one. On that Day, a Great Trumpet will sound and those who were exiled in Assyria and Egypt will come to worship the Lord in Jerusalem. Ref: REB, NIV some verses abridged
‘The Lord is coming to punish the wicked… and expose all sins’. This event is not to be confused with the Return in glory, where ‘He gathers His elect’, after the Great Tribulation. Matthew 24:31 It will be the fulfilment of: Isaiah 66:15-18a, The Lord is coming in fire…He will test all mankind, for He knows their deeds and thoughts. And 2 Peter 3:7-12 The present heavens and earth are reserved for burning…kept until the Day when the godless will be destroyed…All the earth will be brought to judgement. He will not be seen on that Day: Psalm 18:11, Psalm 97:1-7, Hab. 3:4, and ‘the wicked will perish’ – Psalm 37:10-20, Hebrews 10:27. He will cleanse all the holy land – Isaiah 9:18-19, Ezekiel 30:1-5 and purge His people of unrighteousness – Ezekiel 20:34-38, Isaiah 1:24-25, 1 Cor.3:11-15
‘The Lord’s wrath’, the terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. Rev. 6:12-17, Isaiah 13:9-13, Joel 1:15-20, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7 The Lord’s Day of judgement/punishment against His enemies, who are led by Satan referred to here as a serpent.
‘The Lord’s fruitful vineyard’, Israel. If they acknowledge and trust God, He will save them. Joel 2:32 Israel- that is of all the 12 tribes, plus those who are grafted in and are judged righteous will be ‘gathered one by one’ and settled into the Land. They will be ‘a light to the nations’ and will send out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 60:1-4, Matthew 21:43
‘The atonement for Jacob’s guilt is made by their time in exile’. The sins of the forefathers are expiated by the long exile of their descendants. Isaiah 10:27, Isaiah 40:1-2
‘The whole area is abandoned’. All the holy Land is devastated and virtually depopulated after the Day of wrath. Rev. 6:12-17 The trees are burned and killed because of this fire judgement, that will be a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:225-28, Malachi 4:1&3 , Psalm 60:2, Isaiah 32:12-14
‘For they were a people without understanding’. This refers to the current atheistic, apostate and idol worshipping inhabitants of the Land. Isaiah 3:8-9, Jeremiah 12:14, Luke 19:27
‘The great Trumpet will sound’, All righteous people, who love the Lord, need to be prepared for a time, soon after the Lord’s Day of wrath, for when the Call comes to go to and gather in the Promised Land. Psalm 107, Isaiah 11:11-12, Zechariah 9:14-17
‘You Israelites will be gathered one by one’. On that Day, all the world will be judged. Only a remnant will be saved in Israel. But then the exiles from Assyria [the 10 Northern tribes] and Egypt [Judah] will regather in the holy Land. Zechariah 10:8-11
September 22, 2014 at 1:06 pm#771782Ed JParticipantHi ED,
The HOLY SPIRIT does not specify Father or Son or both.Hi Nick, that is FALSE! The HolySpirit is clearly Jesus’ Father:
“Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said
unto her, The HolySpirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: there-
fore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:34-35)“the spirit of Christ” was conceived INSIDE Mary.
September 22, 2014 at 5:33 pm#771827NickHassanParticipantHi Ed,
Fair enough.
The words HOLY SPIRIT may specify the Father.
Will do more study.
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