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This topic is about the gravity. Some scientists think that God is not needed and gravity is sufficient to explain the universe, life, and everything.
Stu the resident Atheist here is strongly influenced by 2 prophets that go by the names of Darwin and Hawking.
This topic is a challenge on the Gravity God Theory.
I will en-devour to ask questions about the Gravity God in order to understand this new faith and to understand the mind of Stu and his prophet Hawking.
I will quote the post from another topic that spawned the idea for this topic.
Quote Quote (t8 @ Mar. 11 2011,19:11) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 15 2011,17:03) Quote and yet, your explanation of the universe and all that it contains comes from something with the IQ of zero.
Not sure Stephen Hawking would take kindly to being called a “something”, or a something with an IQ of zero. I think you might find that is factually incorrect.
Stu do you think that when I make this statement that I am talking about you or Hawking?Sorry, but no, I am talking about your cause or the thing that predates everything by which all owes it's beginning.
You see, there had to be something first and your take is that this something had the IQ of zero because you have eliminated an intelligent creator as being the source as do all atheists.
I am simply pointing out what a foolish thing to believe that anything with the IQ of zero could produce a universe made up of galaxies, suns, planets, moons, atoms, quarks, and life.
And here was me thinking you understood what I was talking about. I guess I will have to adjust my language a bit to make it intelligible for you. Apologies, I will try to keep it more simple for you next time.
Basically, all you need is gravity. That's what Hawking was saying.You appear to be saying that there is something in addition to gravity needed, but you also don't seem to be able to articulate what it is, and especially not in the way Hawking can describe how gravity is the fundamental requirement.
I know which appears to be foolishness to me.
Stuart
This is the quote which gives the context for starting this discussion.Oh great we have found your God.
I already knew that Hawking was one of your prophets.But now we have your God.
So let the questions begin.
Question 01: Is gravity eternal/infinite.
(Has it always existed)?I'll play. According to to all the data and instrumentality used to measure the visible universe gravity theoretically appears to be a force that is eternal and infinite in it's scope and effect.
In the beginning was the big bang and the big bang was with gravity and the big bang was gravity.
Does that sum it up Stu?
hehe…:p
Genesis 1 (King James Version)
Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
hehe…that was fun:D
Forgot about how HTML works on the previous post. What I actually meant to post is in this one
hehe…:p
Genesis 1 (King James Version)
Genesis 1
1In the beginning God(Gravity)created the heaven and the earth.(This is the story of just our local star system Gravity didn't want to freak our minds out with to much info)2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God<force of Gravity) moved upon the face of the waters.(waters in this instance are the basic building blocks of mass)(This is a description of the potential for earth and our local Star system to exist)
3And God(Gravity wanted to make his creation visible) said, Let there be light: and there was light. (This is our Sun being created)
4And God(Gravity) saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.(Gravity knew for light to exist there would have to be an anti-light)
5And God(Gravity) called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.(Gravity knew that light would travel through a medium(space/time) and not everything all the time would be lit up by the light)
6And God(Gravity) said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.(Gravity knew that that the force of gravity would create create a division between things of a lower mass with things of a higher mass)
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. (Gravity decided there would be a dividing line between earthly things and heavenly things)
8And God(Gravity) called the firmament Heaven(the upper part that is). And the evening and the morning were the second day. (Gravity had to make this understandable to the human mind so he put things in a chronocological order we can understand)
9And God(Gravity) said, Let the waters(basic building blocks of Gravity used by create everything(Godotrons)) under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10And God(Gravity) called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters(H2O type water now) called he Seas: and God(Gravity) saw that it was good.
11And God(Gravity) said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God(Gravity) saw that it was good.
13And the evening and the morning were the third day. (Gravity put in place the laws of nature which are all under the affect of the Laws of Gravity and operate harmoniously within it)
14And God(Gravity) said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: (Gravity made one Sun and liked it so Gravity made many to be used by the thinking beings of his creation)
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16And God(Gravity) made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17And God(Gravity) set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. (Gravity restates this a couple of different ways so we can 'get' it.)
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20And God(Gravity) said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21And God(Gravity) created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God (Gravity)saw that it was good.
22And God(Gravity) blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. (Gravity gives them operating instructions)
23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24And God(Gravity) said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25And God(Gravity) made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God(Gravity) saw that it was good.
26And God(Gravity) said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (When Gravity is making the really super cool stuff Gravity likes to use the royal we thing)
27So God(Gravity) created man(us) in his own image, in the image of God(Gravity) created he him; male and female created he them. (In keeping with a Law of Gravity that states in order for gravity to have purpose there has to be at least 2 things in existance and he knew he would give go forth and multipy instructions later on)
28And God(Gravity)blessed them, and God(Gravity) said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. (operating instructions and authority)
29And God(Gravity) said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.(Gravity listing for us all the nice things he had made for us)
31And God(Gravity) saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.(Gravity was tuckered out the next day and took a break(We all deserve one don't we!)
Hi t8,
Yes, but, don't let the athiest hear about it they may have a change of heart. j/k
,
I have no problem converging real science and real God in my mind. God wants me to have a scientific understanding of things as well as a spiritual understanding.
With Love and Respect,
WispringGood one.
Yes we need balance.
And God wants us to understand stuff.
For example, that is why prophecy is a sought after gift. It enriches the understanding of the hearers.Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 18 2011,11:45) Hi t8,
Yes, but, don't let the athiest hear about it they may have a change of heart. j/k ,
I have no problem converging real science and real God in my mind. God wants me to have a scientific understanding of things as well as a spiritual understanding.
With Love and Respect,
Wispring
All I can conlude from your post is:1. You actually have a great deal of trouble reconciling science with your god concept. Otherwise you would not have posted anything from Genesis.
2. You must either hear voices in your head or make up for yourself what your god wants you to do, because your claim is not written in scripture. I'll give you the benefit of it being the latter. Of course that would be blasphemy, but in my book that is a better outcome than a diagnosis of mental illness.
Stuart
Stu,
I did it for fun! Our God wants us to have fun frome time to time. Being creative is one of his favorite activities.:laugh:With Love and Respect(and yes a sense of humor too!)
WispringSo when you meet up with Simon Peter at the entrance to heaven, and he says to you “come through and meet YHWH”, and you approach this god of yours, and it says “we have reserved a place amongst your admired deceased sports stars, musicians and actors… actually, just kidding! You're off to the other place because I only love the Amish and no one else!”…
Will you be laughing heartily along with that joker of a god?
Stuart
Stu,
God will be my judge and he knows my heart and intent. The structure you are illustrating here has you knowing how God will judge me. Within this structure you can judge me all you want it is a human beings nature to judge things that is how we arrive to conclusions based on observations. Such things as while driving a car down the road and another car pulls out and you judge whether or not you have time to stop from hitting the and stay on the road or you will have to leave the road in order not to hit it. It is a matter of judgment. Amazingly enough all the events in my illlustration also take place under the law of gravity.
This thread is about “Gravity”, all I did was in a humorous fashion show how gravity is a tool of God for creating physical aspects of the universe that are subject to the law of gravity.With Love and Respect,
WispringQuote God will be my judge and he knows my heart and intent.
Religious platitude.Quote The structure you are illustrating here has you knowing how God will judge me.
I have practiced writing religious platitudes and am getting quite good at it now. Here’s another one I made up just for you:God is the one, the only one.
Does that really resonate with you? It means absolutely nothing to me.
Quote This thread is about “Gravity”, all I did was in a humorous fashion show how gravity is a tool of God for creating physical aspects of the universe that are subject to the law of gravity.
Where did you do that? It’s just another religious platitude. God does this, god does that. None of it is falsifiable so none of it actually means anything.At least you appreciate humour yourself.
Where did you get the idea that your god has humour? Surely not from the Judeo-christian Book of Spells. The god portrayed in there is a petulant humourless monster. Humans are not made in that image. We have irony and your god clearly doesn’t.
Stuart
Hi Stu,
You have point. They forgot to make God a friend. Thier loss.
With Love and Respect,
WispringHi Stu,
Quote I have practiced writing religious platitudes and am getting quite good at it now. Here’s another one I made up just for you: God is the one, the only one.
Does that really resonate with you? It means absolutely nothing to me.
It doesn't mean anything to me either. It's not really expressing anything at all. I suppose it could resonate with a null set of of numbers or something like that.
With Love and Respect,
Wispring
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