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- March 4, 2009 at 12:26 am#124010SEEKINGParticipant
1Co 15:1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,
1Co 15:2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you–unless you believed in vain.Was the Gospel Paul spoke of for a limited group only? Was it for Jews and converts to Judiasm only? Is there a Gospel that saves you and me today? How do you understand it? What kind of Gospel do you share with your friends?
Missionaries go to foreign lands, people have street ministries,
churches claim to preach the Gospel. What do you believe?March 4, 2009 at 2:36 am#124014NickHassanParticipantHi S,
It has never changed since God offered it to the Jews through Peter at Pentecost.
All are welcome.March 4, 2009 at 3:10 am#124018942767ParticipantHi, following is the gospel:
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.Note that the scripture states that “whosoever believeth”, and therefore, it means “whosoever” and makes no distinction between jews, gentiles, men, women or any other distinction.
Quote Rom 8:1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.Quote Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Hbr 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;Quote 1Jo 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.This is what I share with my friends and my enemies.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarch 4, 2009 at 3:15 am#124020942767ParticipantHi Just one more scripture that I would like to add to what I posted:
Quote 1Jo 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.God Bless
March 4, 2009 at 4:42 am#124025SEEKINGParticipantThank you Nick and 94,
Nothing has changed! “whosoever believeth”, and therefore, it means “whosoever” and makes no distinction between jews, gentiles, men, women or any other distinction.
That's the Gospel I read about too.
Seeking
March 4, 2009 at 5:09 am#124029NickHassanParticipantHi S,
It is very strange that men would want to divide the body.
All reborn into Christ are sheep of the flock though some stragglers are found by mercy in the second resurrection.June 10, 2009 at 1:57 am#133052chosenoneParticipantJesus words to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel”, was the “gospel of the kingdom”, it was to Israel, and them only.
Pauls epistles taught the “Gospel of the Grace of God”, it was to all Nations.Blessings.
June 13, 2009 at 4:12 am#133358CindyParticipantchosenone
Did Paul receive a different gospel from Christ?
Did not Paul and Peter preach the same gospel?Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)Georg
June 13, 2009 at 5:19 am#133362chosenoneParticipantGeorg.
Pauls gospel was different to Jesus gospel.Blessings
June 13, 2009 at 9:50 am#133365CindyParticipantchosenone
Really, then what gospel were Peter and Paul preaching?
Georg
June 15, 2009 at 5:30 am#133493chosenoneParticipantQuote (Cindy @ June 13 2009,21:50) chosenone Really, then what gospel were Peter and Paul preaching?
Georg
Georg.
See the first chapter of 1Peter, verse one:
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the chosen expatriates of the dispersion of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, the province of Asia, and Bithynia,
I think this makes it quite clear as to whom his message was to, it was to “the chosen expatriates of the dispersion”, these were the dispersed Jews, the ones called by God, living in those locations stated in that verse.Pauls epistles are to “the nations”, see Ro.15:15-16 …because of the grace being given to me from God,
16 for me to be the minister of Christ Jesus for the nations, acting as a priest of the evangel of God, that the approach present of the nations may be becoming well received, having been hallowed by holy spirit.Your answer to your question then is answered in Gal.2:7-10: …preceiving that I (Paul) have been entrusted with the evangel of the Uncircumcision,
8 according as Peter of the Circumcision (for He Who operates in Peter for the apostleship of the Circumcision operates in me also for the nations),
9 and, knowing the grace which is being given to me, James and Cephas and John, who are supposed to be pillars, give to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we, indeed, are to be for the nations, yet they for the Circumcision- Quite clear the difference.Now see Col.1:25 …which is the ecclesia
25 of which I (Paul) became a dispenser, in accord with the administration of God, which is granted to me for you, to complete the word of God —
Notice “to complete the word of God”, revelation of Gods workings not revealed before, a different gospel to that of Jesus to Israel.Also see Col.2:2-4 …unto a realization of the secret of the God and Father, of Christ,
3 in Whom all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are concealed.
Notice “a realization of the secret”, a secret means something not revealed before, but now is in this epistle of Pauls.One other point if I may… 2Tim1:9-10 …in accord with the power of God,
9 Who saves us and calls us with a holy calling, not in accord with our acts, but in accord with His own purpose and the grace which is given to us in Christ Jesus before times eonian,
Notice that under the 'old covenant' that Jesus taught, the kingdom would be entered by “works” of the “law”, which Jesus taught under. Where as now, as taught by Paul, we are under the “Grace of God”, and salvation is by “the Grace of God” not by works.Blessings.
June 15, 2009 at 5:43 am#133496NickHassanParticipantHi CO,
Did you not say all are saved?Why do you speak of being saved by a new gospel for all then, that which is really the meat for the saved.?
June 16, 2009 at 6:25 pm#133728chosenoneParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,17:43) Hi CO,
Did you not say all are saved?Why do you speak of being saved by a new gospel for all then, that which is really the meat for the saved.?
NH.
Explain?June 16, 2009 at 6:57 pm#133737NickHassanParticipantHi CO,
Your gospel teaches all are saved by a wrong application of the apostolic teachings to the heathen.
There is for you then no need for any scriptures anyway so your new gospel is self defeating.June 16, 2009 at 9:07 pm#133746chosenoneParticipantNH.
Could you give scripure supporting your view?June 16, 2009 at 9:17 pm#133747NickHassanParticipantHi CO,
It is your unscriptural view that is the subject of discussion.You offer universal salvation – that requires no scriptural knowledge or response.
It would appear that you are in conflict with your own ideas, as being involved with scripture at all is superfluous.
June 17, 2009 at 6:47 pm#133836chosenoneParticipantNH.
As usual, all your accusations never give any quotes that I have posted, that you refer to as unscriptual. All your inuendo does is accuse with no proof as to what you say is my opinion.
How do you expect to convince anyone of your “opinion”, but no scriptual proof, of what I supposedly believe, in accord with what you say?
You accuse generally, but not specifically. Please give some substance to your accusations, not just the usual ranting.July 3, 2009 at 4:31 am#135812chosenoneParticipanttopical
July 3, 2009 at 4:40 am#135813NickHassanParticipantHi CO,
Have you grasped yet that the letters of the apotles are not for the heathen?
They are for the saved who can are blessed in the Spirit and can feed on such meatJuly 3, 2009 at 5:06 am#135814chosenoneParticipantNH.
Matt.15:24 … Now He, answering, said, “I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Ro.15:8 …8 For I am saying that Christ has become the Servant of the Circumcision, for the sake of the truth of God, to confirm the patriarchal promises.
Ro.15:16 …for me (Paul) to be the minister of Christ Jesus for the nations, acting as a priest of the evangel of God, that the approach present of the nations may be becoming well received, having been hallowed by holy spirit.
Have you not yet understood these scriptures?
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