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Quote (Colter @ June 01 2013,20:50) Quote (Wakeup @ June 01 2013,14:18) Quote (Colter @ June 01 2013,13:26) Quote (Wakeup @ June 01 2013,12:11) Quote (Colter @ June 01 2013,01:19) Quote (Wakeup @ May 31 2013,23:04) Quote (Colter @ May 31 2013,22:46) Quote (Wakeup @ May 31 2013,21:59) Quote (Colter @ May 31 2013,21:44) Quote (Wakeup @ May 31 2013,21:36) Quote (Colter @ May 31 2013,21:23) One can have a personal relationship with God apart from the petrified opinions of other men. Guiding truths are helpful, but when those truths are converted into “Gods Word” then man becomes stunted. The Bible is anything but consistent, but scripture worshipers are dishonest with themselves, they see consistency that isn't there.
Colter
Colter.The Holy bible is God, telling us his works and his plans,
in fragments. And the seekers only can put them together.
Here a little and there a little. Precept upon precept.
Line upon line.Then a big picture will immerge,from the beginning to the end. You can even tell the brush strokes,so to speak.
wakeup.
I realize that book worship is your religion, you are welcome to it, but it's not my religion. Only God is perfection, not ANY books about him.Colter
Colter.Which god do you worship?
Is it the god of the ub imagination?
Or is it the god of your own imagination.
You must have picked up your god from some book,
or was it when you were sitting under the vig tree.
Or in a vision of your dream.Studying a book about maths,is just a book, but when you have master it,you can do great things.
And even create great things.wakeup.
It's the God who came to me when I sincerely reached out for help on April 28 1985. No books needed, Just like Paul had no “New Testament” to tech him, rather the spirit guidance of God.God is not a creed nor a doctrine, or a theory, he is a real spiritual presence.
Coltert
ColterGod does respond in need,I know that for sure.
But how is it that you went to the ub,instaed of the Holy bible?
Did God tell you to seek the ub?wakeup.
As a child I knew the OT was corrupt, i used to sit in Sunday school and wonder if they were just stupid or afraid to think for themselves or maybe both.When my dad first read parts of the UB to us in the den It was as if I already knew what he was reading.
The UB is consistent with the scientific findings of an old evolved earth, 550,000,000 year old life on earth, and 1,000,000 year old man and much more etc.
The explanation of God is much more consistent then the Catholics book.
Colter
Colter.Who told you that the bible is corrupt?
Was it God,or some person or some book?
Satan is very cunning indeed but he can not outsmart God.
We believe in God ;but also must believe in his power.
The power to preserve his word,for us ,the true seekers.wakeup.
An honest person with common sence can see the corruption of the Catholic Bible idol.Colter
Colter.The catholics are the chiefs of corruption.
Satan is running the place,using Gods name to corrupt
billions. but it is also the sheeps fault, for allowing them selves to be traped; because of their lack of interest in seeking God for them selves. The spiritual hunger is not there.Its more the hunger of the flesh rather than the spirit.Satan always use Gods name to deceive;never his own name.
He always operates from behind the shadows.
There is a way to find the truth; that way is the Holy bible.
The majority put them selves first; and only come to God when things are going wrong.We can not put God second to anything.
wakeup.
You're faith in the Satan God is still profoundly silly.Colter
Colter.I believe and worship only God.
And therefore I also believe that there is a satan.
God is good;and satan is bad.I believe in the light,and also that there is darkness.
Without dakness, we can not know what is light.
Without evil, we can not know what is good.
Without tribulation;we can not know what is peace.
Without pain;we can not know what is suffering.wakeup.
wakeup.
You said many times that God has both an evil and a good will, that God made Satan as an evil being to do Gods evil will.
That is profoundly silly, man made thinking. The older primitive Hebrews believed that but the latter ones didn't. It looks like you didn't get the memo.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ June 02 2013,02:18) You said many times that God has both an evil and a good will, that God made Satan as an evil being to do Gods evil will. That is profoundly silly, man made thinking. The older primitive Hebrews believed that but the latter ones didn't. It looks like you didn't get the memo.
Colter
Colter.You know that God created lucifer.
You know that God created darkness.
You know that this world is full of pain and sufferings,
and God is not doing anything,although he could stop the pain and sufferings.Its in his capability;but he does not.
So what is your problem here?If you see a person drawning;and you are a good and strong swimmer,but just turn the other way.
Would you not be responsible or his drawning?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 02 2013,02:27) Quote (Colter @ June 02 2013,02:18) You said many times that God has both an evil and a good will, that God made Satan as an evil being to do Gods evil will. That is profoundly silly, man made thinking. The older primitive Hebrews believed that but the latter ones didn't. It looks like you didn't get the memo.
Colter
Colter.You know that God created lucifer.
You know that God created darkness.
You know that this world is full of pain and sufferings,
and God is not doing anything,although he could stop the pain and sufferings.Its in his capability;but he does not.
So what is your problem here?If you see a person drawning;and you are a good and strong swimmer,but just turn the other way.
Would you not be responsible or his drawning?wakeup.
Do you even read my reply's?
??I told you, Lucifer was an administrator with power and authority, he chose to rebel against Faith in the unseen Father and attempt to rule himself. I was NOT Gods will for Lucifer to rebel, it was not necessary for Lucifer to sin so that free will man can learn the difference between right and wrong.
The world is still rehabilitating according to the plan of redemption.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ June 02 2013,02:39) Quote (Wakeup @ June 02 2013,02:27) Quote (Colter @ June 02 2013,02:18) You said many times that God has both an evil and a good will, that God made Satan as an evil being to do Gods evil will. That is profoundly silly, man made thinking. The older primitive Hebrews believed that but the latter ones didn't. It looks like you didn't get the memo.
Colter
Colter.You know that God created lucifer.
You know that God created darkness.
You know that this world is full of pain and sufferings,
and God is not doing anything,although he could stop the pain and sufferings.Its in his capability;but he does not.
So what is your problem here?If you see a person drawning;and you are a good and strong swimmer,but just turn the other way.
Would you not be responsible or his drawning?wakeup.
Do you even read my reply's???I told you, Lucifer was an administrator with power and authority, he chose to rebel against Faith in the unseen Father and attempt to rule himself. I was NOT Gods will for Lucifer to rebel, it was not necessary for Lucifer to sin so that free will man can learn the difference between right and wrong.
The world is still rehabilitating according to the plan of redemption.
Colter
Colter.Do you believe that God can see whats ahead?
God knew that lucifer was going to be a rebeller.
So why did he create him anyway,knowing full well
what will become of his creation?
Would you let your son drive your car knowing he is going to have an accident?wakeup.
Jesus chose Judas, he even allowed Judas to betray him, that does not mean Jesus WANTED to be betrayed, that does not mean that Jesus WANTED his people to reject their calling.
It was not the will of God that his beloved Son Lucifer should betray his sacred trust a lead the whole world astray…..but they did allow it as the Father knows that free will comes with a potential but ultimately more good will come from Lucifer's folly then evil.
Colter
Hi Colter,
Wakeup gets confused when you give him too much at one time, because
he only compares what you say with his preconceived ideas of truth.
I only discuss one point at a time with him and keep it simple.You notice how he keeps regurgitating his preconceived ideas of truth
when you give him too much? I suggest you take my advice brother.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 02 2013,07:14) Hi Colter, Wakeup gets confused when you give him too much at one time, because
he only compares what you say with his preconceived ideas of truth.
I only discuss one point at a time with him and keep it simple.You notice how he keeps regurgitating his preconceived ideas of truth
when you give him too much? I suggest you take my advice brother.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
thanks Ed
Quote (Colter @ June 02 2013,06:09) Jesus chose Judas, he even allowed Judas to betray him, that does not mean Jesus WANTED to be betrayed, that does not mean that Jesus WANTED his people to reject their calling. It was not the will of God that his beloved Son Lucifer should betray his sacred trust a lead the whole world astray…..but they did allow it as the Father knows that free will comes with a potential but ultimately more good will come from Lucifer's folly then evil.
Colter
Colter.
This is where you are wrong again.
Jesus purpose for coming to earth is to give his life for the world. Gods plan can not be changed.Jesus knew that he would be crucified,jesus also knew that Judas is going to betray him,but he chose him anyway.
Because of the rejection of the jews,we now come to know God and his Son.
Colter; first you must know your God, to understand his plan.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 02 2013,17:59) Quote (Colter @ June 02 2013,06:09) Jesus chose Judas, he even allowed Judas to betray him, that does not mean Jesus WANTED to be betrayed, that does not mean that Jesus WANTED his people to reject their calling. It was not the will of God that his beloved Son Lucifer should betray his sacred trust a lead the whole world astray…..but they did allow it as the Father knows that free will comes with a potential but ultimately more good will come from Lucifer's folly then evil.
Colter
Colter.
This is where you are wrong again.
Jesus purpose for coming to earth is to give his life for the world. Gods plan can not be changed.Jesus knew that he would be crucified,jesus also knew that Judas is going to betray him,but he chose him anyway.
Because of the rejection of the jews,we now come to know God and his Son.
Colter; first you must know your God, to understand his plan.
wakeup.
That “plan” that you and other Pagans often refer to, was never taught by Jesus, it evolved in error after Jesus resurrected himself from the dead and returned to heaven.The problem in your thinking as a bad plan concept.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ June 02 2013,21:40) Quote (Wakeup @ June 02 2013,17:59) Quote (Colter @ June 02 2013,06:09) Jesus chose Judas, he even allowed Judas to betray him, that does not mean Jesus WANTED to be betrayed, that does not mean that Jesus WANTED his people to reject their calling. It was not the will of God that his beloved Son Lucifer should betray his sacred trust a lead the whole world astray…..but they did allow it as the Father knows that free will comes with a potential but ultimately more good will come from Lucifer's folly then evil.
Colter
Colter.
This is where you are wrong again.
Jesus purpose for coming to earth is to give his life for the world. Gods plan can not be changed.Jesus knew that he would be crucified,jesus also knew that Judas is going to betray him,but he chose him anyway.
Because of the rejection of the jews,we now come to know God and his Son.
Colter; first you must know your God, to understand his plan.
wakeup.
That “plan” that you and other Pagans often refer to, was never taught by Jesus, it evolved in error after Jesus resurrected himself from the dead and returned to heaven.The problem in your thinking as a bad plan concept.
Colter
Colter.Are you saying that God has no plan for us?
If he has;then what is his plan?
If not then what is it all about?
What is the purpose for creating man?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2013,02:12) Quote (Colter @ June 02 2013,21:40) Quote (Wakeup @ June 02 2013,17:59) Quote (Colter @ June 02 2013,06:09) Jesus chose Judas, he even allowed Judas to betray him, that does not mean Jesus WANTED to be betrayed, that does not mean that Jesus WANTED his people to reject their calling. It was not the will of God that his beloved Son Lucifer should betray his sacred trust a lead the whole world astray…..but they did allow it as the Father knows that free will comes with a potential but ultimately more good will come from Lucifer's folly then evil.
Colter
Colter.
This is where you are wrong again.
Jesus purpose for coming to earth is to give his life for the world. Gods plan can not be changed.Jesus knew that he would be crucified,jesus also knew that Judas is going to betray him,but he chose him anyway.
Because of the rejection of the jews,we now come to know God and his Son.
Colter; first you must know your God, to understand his plan.
wakeup.
That “plan” that you and other Pagans often refer to, was never taught by Jesus, it evolved in error after Jesus resurrected himself from the dead and returned to heaven.The problem in your thinking as a bad plan concept.
Colter
Colter.Are you saying that God has no plan for us?
If he has;then what is his plan?
If not then what is it all about?
What is the purpose for creating man?wakeup.
Of coarse he has a plan, a will, its just not based on the erroneous original, inherited sin doctrine of the Persians. God had no need to send his blameless Son to be killed so that he can forgive.Colter
Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,03:10) Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2013,02:12) Quote (Colter @ June 02 2013,21:40) Quote (Wakeup @ June 02 2013,17:59) Quote (Colter @ June 02 2013,06:09) Jesus chose Judas, he even allowed Judas to betray him, that does not mean Jesus WANTED to be betrayed, that does not mean that Jesus WANTED his people to reject their calling. It was not the will of God that his beloved Son Lucifer should betray his sacred trust a lead the whole world astray…..but they did allow it as the Father knows that free will comes with a potential but ultimately more good will come from Lucifer's folly then evil.
Colter
Colter.
This is where you are wrong again.
Jesus purpose for coming to earth is to give his life for the world. Gods plan can not be changed.Jesus knew that he would be crucified,jesus also knew that Judas is going to betray him,but he chose him anyway.
Because of the rejection of the jews,we now come to know God and his Son.
Colter; first you must know your God, to understand his plan.
wakeup.
That “plan” that you and other Pagans often refer to, was never taught by Jesus, it evolved in error after Jesus resurrected himself from the dead and returned to heaven.The problem in your thinking as a bad plan concept.
Colter
Colter.Are you saying that God has no plan for us?
If he has;then what is his plan?
If not then what is it all about?
What is the purpose for creating man?wakeup.
Of coarse he has a plan, a will, its just not based on the erroneous original, inherited sin doctrine of the Persians. God had no need to send his blameless Son to be killed so that he can forgive.Colter
Colter.And his plan is?
Wakeup.
Quote Colter And his plan is?
Wakeup
Christianity, Judaism and many other faiths have suffered from too much “speculation”, human ideas about what Gods plan is or should be.
The Urantia revelation says much about where we go after this world and eventually Paradise. It's lengthy and detailed, you could read it, I won't waste time summarizing it as you would mock it.
One clip about the mystery of our eternal destiny:
The Universe Attitude of the Father
(54.4) 4:1.1 For ages the inhabitants of Urantia have misunderstood the providence of God. There is a providence of divine outworking on your world, but it is not the childish, arbitrary, and material ministry many mortals have conceived it to be. The providence of God consists in the interlocking activities of the celestial beings and the divine spirits who, in accordance with cosmic law, unceasingly labor for the honor of God and for the spiritual advancement of his universe children.
(54.5) 4:1.2 Can you not advance in your concept of God’s dealing with man to that level where you recognize that the watchword of the universe is progress? Through long ages the human race has struggled to reach its present position. Throughout all these millenniums Providence has been working out the plan of progressive evolution. The two thoughts are not opposed in practice, only in man’s mistaken concepts. Divine providence is never arrayed in opposition to true human progress, either temporal or spiritual. Providence is always consistent with the unchanging and perfect nature of the supreme Lawmaker.
(55.1) 4:1.3 “God is faithful” and “all his commandments are just.” “His faithfulness is established in the very skies.” “Forever, O Lord, your word is settled in heaven. Your faithfulness is to all generations; you have established the earth and it abides.” “He is a faithful Creator.”
(55.2) 4:1.4 There is no limitation of the forces and personalities which the Father may use to uphold his purpose and sustain his creatures. “The eternal God is our refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms.” “He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.” “Behold, he who keeps us shall neither slumber nor sleep.” “We know that all things work together for good to those who love God,” “for the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayers.”
(55.3) 4:1.5 God upholds “all things by the word of his power.” And when new worlds are born, he “sends forth his Sons and they are created.” God not only creates, but he “preserves them all.” God constantly upholds all things material and all beings spiritual. The universes are eternally stable. There is stability in the midst of apparent instability. There is an underlying order and security in the midst of the energy upheavals and the physical cataclysms of the starry realms.
(55.4) 4:1.6 The Universal Father has not withdrawn from the management of the universes; he is not an inactive Deity. If God should retire as the present upholder of all creation, there would immediately occur a universal collapse. Except for God, there would be no such thing as reality. At this very moment, as during the remote ages of the past and in the eternal future, God continues to uphold. The divine reach extends around the circle of eternity. The universe is not wound up like a clock to run just so long and then cease to function; all things are constantly being renewed. The Father unceasingly pours forth energy, light, and life. The work of God is literal as well as spiritual. “He stretches out the north over the empty space and hangs the earth upon nothing.”
(55.5) 4:1.7 A being of my order is able to discover ultimate harmony and to detect far-reaching and profound co-ordination in the routine affairs of universe administration. Much that seems disjointed and haphazard to the mortal mind appears orderly and constructive to my understanding. But there is very much going on in the universes that I do not fully comprehend. I have long been a student of, and am more or less conversant with, the recognized forces, energies, minds, morontias, spirits, and personalities of the local universes and the superuniverses. I have a general understanding of how these agencies and personalities operate, and I am intimately familiar with the workings of the accredited spirit intelligences of the grand universe. Notwithstanding my knowledge of the phenomena of the universes, I am constantly confronted with cosmic reactions which I cannot fully fathom. I am continually encountering apparently fortuitous conspiracies of the interassociation of forces, energies, intellects, and spirits, which I cannot satisfactorily explain.
(55.6) 4:1.8 I am entirely competent to trace out and to analyze the working of all phenomena directly resulting from the functioning of the Universal Father, the Eternal Son, the Infinite Spirit, and, to a large extent, the Isle of Paradise. My perplexity is occasioned by encountering what appears to be the performance of their mysterious co-ordinates, the three Absolutes of potentiality. These Absolutes seem to supersede matter, to transcend mind, and to supervene spirit. I am constantly confused and often perplexed by my inability to comprehend these complex transactions which I attribute to the presences and performances of the Unqualified Absolute, the Deity Absolute, and the Universal Absolute.
(56.1) 4:1.9 These Absolutes must be the not-fully-revealed presences abroad in the universe which, in the phenomena of space potency and in the function of other superultimates, render it impossible for physicists, philosophers, or even religionists to predict with certainty as to just how the primordials of force, concept, or spirit will respond to demands made in a complex reality situation involving supreme adjustments and ultimate values.
(56.2) 4:1.10 There is also an organic unity in the universes of time and space which seems to underlie the whole fabric of cosmic events. This living presence of the evolving Supreme Being, this Immanence of the Projected Incomplete, is inexplicably manifested ever and anon by what appears to be an amazingly fortuitous co-ordination of apparently unrelated universe happenings. This must be the function of Providence — the realm of the Supreme Being and the Conjoint Actor.
(56.3) 4:1.11 I am inclined to believe that it is this far-flung and generally unrecognizable control of the co-ordination and interassociation of all phases and forms of universe activity that causes such a variegated and apparently hopelessly confused medley of physical, mental, moral, and spiritual phenomena so unerringly to work out to the glory of God and for the good of men and angels.
(56.4) 4:1.12 But in the larger sense the apparent “accidents” of the cosmos are undoubtedly a part of the finite drama of the time-space adventure of the Infinite in his eternal manipulation of the Absolutes.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,10:27) Quote Colter And his plan is?
Wakeup
Christianity, Judaism and many other faiths have suffered from too much “speculation”, human ideas about what Gods plan is or should be.
The Urantia revelation says much about where we go after this world and eventually Paradise. It's lengthy and detailed, you could read it, I won't waste time summarizing it as you would mock it.
One clip about the mystery of our eternal destiny:
The Universe Attitude of the Father
(54.4) 4:1.1 For ages the inhabitants of Urantia have misunderstood the providence of God. There is a providence of divine outworking on your world, but it is not the childish, arbitrary, and material ministry many mortals have conceived it to be. The providence of God consists in the interlocking activities of the celestial beings and the divine spirits who, in accordance with cosmic law, unceasingly labor for the honor of God and for the spiritual advancement of his universe children.
(54.5) 4:1.2 Can you not advance in your concept of God’s dealing with man to that level where you recognize that the watchword of the universe is progress? Through long ages the human race has struggled to reach its present position. Throughout all these millenniums Providence has been working out the plan of progressive evolution. The two thoughts are not opposed in practice, only in man’s mistaken concepts. Divine providence is never arrayed in opposition to true human progress, either temporal or spiritual. Providence is always consistent with the unchanging and perfect nature of the supreme Lawmaker.
(55.1) 4:1.3 “God is faithful” and “all his commandments are just.” “His faithfulness is established in the very skies.” “Forever, O Lord, your word is settled in heaven. Your faithfulness is to all generations; you have established the earth and it abides.” “He is a faithful Creator.”
(55.2) 4:1.4 There is no limitation of the forces and personalities which the Father may use to uphold his purpose and sustain his creatures. “The eternal God is our refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms.” “He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.” “Behold, he who keeps us shall neither slumber nor sleep.” “We know that all things work together for good to those who love God,” “for the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayers.”
(55.3) 4:1.5 God upholds “all things by the word of his power.” And when new worlds are born, he “sends forth his Sons and they are created.” God not only creates, but he “preserves them all.” God constantly upholds all things material and all beings spiritual. The universes are eternally stable. There is stability in the midst of apparent instability. There is an underlying order and security in the midst of the energy upheavals and the physical cataclysms of the starry realms.
(55.4) 4:1.6 The Universal Father has not withdrawn from the management of the universes; he is not an inactive Deity. If God should retire as the present upholder of all creation, there would immediately occur a universal collapse. Except for God, there would be no such thing as reality. At this very moment, as during the remote ages of the past and in the eternal future, God continues to uphold. The divine reach extends around the circle of eternity. The universe is not wound up like a clock to run just so long and then cease to function; all things are constantly being renewed. The Father unceasingly pours forth energy, light, and life. The work of God is literal as well as spiritual. “He stretches out the north over the empty space and hangs the earth upon nothing.”
(55.5) 4:1.7 A being of my order is able to discover ultimate harmony and to detect far-reaching and profound co-ordination in the routine affairs of universe administration. Much that seems disjointed and haphazard to the mortal mind appears orderly and constructive to my understanding. But there is very much going on in the universes that I do not fully comprehend. I have long been a student of, and am more or less conversant with, the recognized forces, energies, minds, morontias, spirits, and personalities of the local universes and the superuniverses. I have a general understanding of how these agencies and personalities operate, and I am intimately familiar with the workings of the accredited spirit intelligences of the grand universe. Notwithstanding my knowledge of the phenomena of the universes, I am constantly confronted with cosmic reactions which I cannot fully fathom. I am continually encountering apparently fortuitous conspiracies of the interassociation of forces, energies, intellects, and spirits, which I cannot satisfactorily explain.
(55.6) 4:1.8 I am entirely competent to trace out and to analyze the working of all phenomena directly resulting from the functioning of the Universal Father, the Eternal Son, the Infinite Spirit, and, to a large extent, the Isle of Paradise. My perplexity is occasioned by encountering what appears to be the performance of their mysterious co-ordinates, the three Absolutes of potentiality. These Absolutes seem to supersede matter, to transcend mind, and to supervene spirit. I am constantly confused and often perplexed by my inability to comprehend these complex transactions which I attribute to the presences and performances of the Unqualified Absolute, the Deity Absolute, and the Universal Absolute.
(56.1) 4:1.9 These Absolutes must be the not-fully-revealed presences abroad in the universe which, in the phenomena of space potency and in the function of other superultimates, render it impossible for physicists, philosophers, or even religionists to predict with certainty as to just how the primordials of force, concept, or spirit will respond to demands made in a complex reality situation involving supreme adjustments and ultimate values.
(56.2) 4:1.10 There is also an organic unity in the universes of time and space which seems to underlie the whole fabric of cosmic events. This living presence of the evolving Supreme Being, this Immanence of the Projected Incomplete, is inexplicably manifested ever and anon by what appears to be an amazingly fortuitous co-ordination of apparently unrelated universe happenings. This must be the function of Providence — the realm of the Supreme Being and the Conjoint Actor.
(56.3) 4:1.11 I am inclined to believe that it is this far-flung and generally unrecognizable control of the co-ordination and interassociation of all phases and forms of universe activity that causes such a variegated and apparently hopelessly confused medley of physical, mental, moral, and spiritual phenomena so unerringly to work out to the glory of God and for the good of men and angels.
(56.4) 4:1.12 But in the larger sense the apparent “accidents” of the cosmos are undoubtedly a part of the finite drama of the time-space adventure of the Infinite in his eternal manipulation of the Absolutes.
Colter
Colter.It is all about the celestial beings and the universe.
To me the celestial beings are the fallen angels.
Paradise was *a garden* created for Adam and Eve.
If we all will just end up in a garden,as the ub says,
Then all we have is good fruits to eat;maybe for no money.The muslems have a better promise; a marter of God will have
72 virgins,and 72 mansions. You should turn muslem.
You would be as strong as a bull,and do nothing but making love; and dont have the time to worship.Gods true promise is that we will be as the angels,
we will be changed into spirit.
We will have spirit bodies;we will see God face to face.
We will be one with the Son and the father.
God is a spirit and we will be like him,spirit.You make your choice.
wakeup.
Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,13:03) Is Gabriel also fallen? Paradice is far far away.
Your concepts limit you.
Colter
Colter.The real gabriel is not fallen.
Any spirit can call himself anything he likes.
For they are all lying imposters.
And satan is the father of them all.
The appearings of mother mary crying in tears.
Soft and loving; that is a fallen angel or satan himself.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2013,16:06) Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,13:03) Is Gabriel also fallen? Paradice is far far away.
Your concepts limit you.
Colter
Colter.The real gabriel is not fallen.
Any spirit can call himself anything he likes.
For they are all lying imposters.
And satan is the father of them all.
The appearings of mother mary crying in tears.
Soft and loving; that is a fallen angel or satan himself.wakeup.
What a bizarre world you live in, is it any wounder they thought Jesus was an agent of Satan?Colter
Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,22:03) Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2013,16:06) Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,13:03) Is Gabriel also fallen? Paradice is far far away.
Your concepts limit you.
Colter
Colter.The real gabriel is not fallen.
Any spirit can call himself anything he likes.
For they are all lying imposters.
And satan is the father of them all.
The appearings of mother mary crying in tears.
Soft and loving; that is a fallen angel or satan himself.wakeup.
What a bizarre world you live in, is it any wounder they thought Jesus was an agent of Satan?Colter
Colter.A thief will never appear as a thief.
Satan will never appear as satan,but he will appear as an angel of light to deceive the unweary.
Always ask the spirit to identify himself.
If he is from God, or from the bottomless pit.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2013,22:47) Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,22:03) Quote (Wakeup @ June 03 2013,16:06) Quote (Colter @ June 03 2013,13:03) Is Gabriel also fallen? Paradice is far far away.
Your concepts limit you.
Colter
Colter.The real gabriel is not fallen.
Any spirit can call himself anything he likes.
For they are all lying imposters.
And satan is the father of them all.
The appearings of mother mary crying in tears.
Soft and loving; that is a fallen angel or satan himself.wakeup.
What a bizarre world you live in, is it any wounder they thought Jesus was an agent of Satan?Colter
Colter.A thief will never appear as a thief.
Satan will never appear as satan,but he will appear as an angel of light to deceive the unweary.
Always ask the spirit to identify himself.
If he is from God, or from the bottomless pit.wakeup.
According to you, the Jews could then be right, Jesus could have been a false Messiah, after all, he DID NOT do what the Messiah was supposed to do.According to your theory how do you know Jesus wasn't Satan? The Jews are still waiting for the Messiah?
Colter
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