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To the common, tradition bound, ceremonially enslaved Jew and Gentile alike, the “good news” of the Kingdom of Heaven was like cool rain on a parched earth.
From the records of Jesus life retold by our unseen friends in the Urantia revelation.Originally, Jesus and the apostles proclaimed the good news to the multitude in Jerusalem:
“Throughout this month Jesus or one of the apostles taught daily in the temple. When the Passover crowds were too great to find entrance to the temple teaching, the apostles conducted many teaching groups outside the sacred precincts. The burden of their message was:
* The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
* By faith in the fatherhood of God you may enter the kingdom of heaven, thus becoming the sons of God.
* Love is the rule of living within the kingdom — supreme devotion to God while loving your neighbor as yourself.
* Obedience to the will of the Father, yielding the fruits of the spirit in one’s personal life, is the law of the kingdom.
The multitudes who came to celebrate the Passover heard this teaching of Jesus, and hundreds of them rejoiced in the good news. The chief priests and rulers of the Jews became much concerned about Jesus and his apostles and debated among themselves as to what should be done with them.UB
Colter
God’s Wrath
(1597.1) 142:2.1 There was in Jerusalem in attendance upon the Passover festivities one Jacob, a wealthy Jewish trader from Crete, and he came to Andrew making request to see Jesus privately. Andrew arranged this secret meeting with Jesus at Flavius’s home the evening of the next day. This man could not comprehend the Master’s teachings, and he came because he desired to inquire more fully about the kingdom of God. Said Jacob to Jesus: “But, Rabbi, Moses and the olden prophets tell us that Yahweh is a jealous God, a God of great wrath and fierce anger. The prophets say he hates evildoers and takes vengeance on those who obey not his law. You and your disciples teach us that God is a kind and compassionate Father who so loves all men that he would welcome them into this new kingdom of heaven, which you proclaim is so near at hand.”
(1597.2) 142:2.2 When Jacob finished speaking, Jesus replied: “Jacob, you have well stated the teachings of the olden prophets who taught the children of their generation in accordance with the light of their day. Our Father in Paradise is changeless. But the concept of his nature has enlarged and grown from the days of Moses down through the times of Amos and even to the generation of the prophet Isaiah. And now have I come in the flesh to reveal the Father in new glory and to show forth his love and mercy to all men on all worlds. As the gospel of this kingdom shall spread over the world with its message of good cheer and good will to all men, there will grow up improved and better relations among the families of all nations. As time passes, fathers and their children will love each other more, and thus will be brought about a better understanding of the love of the Father in heaven for his children on earth. Remember, Jacob, that a good and true father not only loves his family as a whole — as a family — but he also truly loves and affectionately cares for each individual member.”
(1597.3) 142:2.3 After considerable discussion of the heavenly Father’s character, Jesus paused to say: “You, Jacob, being a father of many, know well the truth of my words.” And Jacob said: “But, Master, who told you I was the father of six children? How did you know this about me?” And the Master replied: “Suffice it to say that the Father and the Son know all things, for indeed they see all. Loving your children as a father on earth, you must now accept as a reality the love of the heavenly Father for you — not just for all the children of Abraham, but for you, your individual soul.”
(1597.4) 142:2.4 Then Jesus went on to say: “When your children are very young and immature, and when you must chastise them, they may reflect that their father is angry and filled with resentful wrath. Their immaturity cannot penetrate beyond the punishment to discern the father’s farseeing and corrective affection. But when these same children become grown-up men and women, would it not be folly for them to cling to these earlier and misconceived notions regarding their father? As men and women they should now discern their father’s love in all these early disciplines. And should not mankind, as the centuries pass, come the better to understand the true nature and loving character of the Father in heaven? What profit have you from successive generations of spiritual illumination if you persist in viewing God as Moses and the prophets saw him? I say to you, Jacob, under the bright light of this hour you should see the Father as none of those who have gone before ever beheld him. And thus seeing him, you should rejoice to enter the kingdom wherein such a merciful Father rules, and you should seek to have his will of love dominate your life henceforth.”
(1598.1) 142:2.5 And Jacob answered: “Rabbi, I believe; I desire that you lead me into the Father’s kingdom.”
Colter
The Concept of God
(1598.2) 142:3.1 The twelve apostles, most of whom had listened to this discussion of the character of God, that night asked Jesus many questions about the Father in heaven. The Master’s answers to these questions can best be presented by the following summary in modern phraseology:
(1598.3) 142:3.2 Jesus mildly upbraided the twelve, in substance saying: Do you not know the traditions of Israel relating to the growth of the idea of Yahweh, and are you ignorant of the teaching of the Scriptures concerning the doctrine of God? And then did the Master proceed to instruct the apostles about the evolution of the concept of Deity throughout the course of the development of the Jewish people. He called attention to the following phases of the growth of the God idea:
(1598.4) 142:3.3 1. Yahweh — the god of the Sinai clans. This was the primitive concept of Deity which Moses exalted to the higher level of the Lord God of Israel. The Father in heaven never fails to accept the sincere worship of his children on earth, no matter how crude their concept of Deity or by what name they symbolize his divine nature.
(1598.5) 142:3.4 2. The Most High. This concept of the Father in heaven was proclaimed by Melchizedek to Abraham and was carried far from Salem by those who subsequently believed in this enlarged and expanded idea of Deity. Abraham and his brother left Ur because of the establishment of sun worship, and they became believers in Melchizedek’s teaching of El Elyon — the Most High God. Theirs was a composite concept of God, consisting in a blending of their older Mesopotamian ideas and the Most High doctrine.
(1598.6) 142:3.5 3. El Shaddai. During these early days many of the Hebrews worshiped El Shaddai, the Egyptian concept of the God of heaven, which they learned about during their captivity in the land of the Nile. Long after the times of Melchizedek all three of these concepts of God became joined together to form the doctrine of the creator Deity, the Lord God of Israel.
(1598.7) 142:3.6 4. Elohim. From the times of Adam the teaching of the Paradise Trinity has persisted. Do you not recall how the Scriptures begin by asserting that “In the beginning the Gods created the heavens and the earth”? This indicates that when that record was made the Trinity concept of three Gods in one had found lodgment in the religion of our forebears.
(1598.8) 142:3.7 5. The Supreme Yahweh. By the times of Isaiah these beliefs about God had expanded into the concept of a Universal Creator who was simultaneously all-powerful and all-merciful. And this evolving and enlarging concept of God virtually supplanted all previous ideas of Deity in our fathers’ religion.
(1598.9) 142:3.8 6. The Father in heaven. And now do we know God as our Father in heaven. Our teaching provides a religion wherein the believer is a son of God. That is the good news of the gospel of the kingdom of heaven. Coexistent with the Father are the Son and the Spirit, and the revelation of the nature and ministry of these Paradise Deities will continue to enlarge and brighten throughout the endless ages of the eternal spiritual progression of the ascending sons of God. At all times and during all ages the true worship of any human being — as concerns individual spiritual progress — is recognized by the indwelling spirit as homage rendered to the Father in heaven.
(1599.1) 142:3.9 Never before had the apostles been so shocked as they were upon hearing this recounting of the growth of the concept of God in the Jewish minds of previous generations; they were too bewildered to ask questions. As they sat before Jesus in silence, the Master continued: “And you would have known these truths had you read the Scriptures. Have you not read in Samuel where it says: ‘And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, so much so that he moved David against them, saying, go number Israel and Judah’? And this was not strange because in the days of Samuel the children of Abraham really believed that Yahweh created both good and evil. But when a later writer narrated these events, subsequent to the enlargement of the Jewish concept of the nature of God, he did not dare attribute evil to Yahweh; therefore he said: ‘And Satan stood up against Israel and provoked David to number Israel.’ Cannot you discern that such records in the Scriptures clearly show how the concept of the nature of God continued to grow from one generation to another?
(1599.2) 142:3.10 “Again should you have discerned the growth of the understanding of divine law in perfect keeping with these enlarging concepts of divinity. When the children of Israel came out of Egypt in the days before the enlarged revelation of Yahweh, they had ten commandments which served as their law right up to the times when they were encamped before Sinai. And these ten commandments were:
(1599.3) 142:3.11 “1. You shall worship no other god, for the Lord is a jealous God.
(1599.4) 142:3.12 “2. You shall not make molten gods.
(1599.5) 142:3.13 “3. You shall not neglect to keep the feast of unleavened bread.
(1599.6) 142:3.14 “4. Of all the males of men or cattle, the first-born are mine, says the Lord.
(1599.7) 142:3.15 “5. Six days you may work, but on the seventh day you shall rest.
(1599.8) 142:3.16 “6. You shall not fail to observe the feast of the first fruits and the feast of the ingathering at the end of the year.
(1599.9) 142:3.17 “7. You shall not offer the blood of any sacrifice with leavened bread.
(1599.10) 142:3.18 “8. The sacrifice of the feast of the Passover shall not be left until morning.
(1599.11) 142:3.19 “9. The first of the first fruits of the ground you shall bring to the house of the Lord your God.
(1599.12) 142:3.20 “10. You shall not seethe a kid in its mother’s milk.
(1599.13) 142:3.21 “And then, amidst the thunders and lightnings of Sinai, Moses gave them the new ten commandments, which you will all allow are more worthy utterances to accompany the enlarging Yahweh concepts of Deity. And did you never take notice of these commandments as twice recorded in the Scriptures, that in the first case deliverance from Egypt is assigned as the reason for Sabbath keeping, while in a later record the advancing religious beliefs of our forefathers demanded that this be changed to the recognition of the fact of creation as the reason for Sabbath observance?
(1599.14) 142:3.22 “And then will you remember that once again — in the greater spiritual enlightenment of Isaiah’s day — these ten negative commandments were changed into the great and positive law of love, the injunction to love God supremely and your neighbor as yourself. And it is this supreme law of love for God and for man that I also declare to you as constituting the whole duty of man.”
(1600.1) 142:3.23 And when he had finished speaking, no man asked him a question. They went, each one to his sleep.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ April 29 2013,21:30) The Concept of God (1598.2) 142:3.1 The twelve apostles, most of whom had listened to this discussion of the character of God, that night asked Jesus many questions about the Father in heaven. The Master’s answers to these questions can best be presented by the following summary in modern phraseology:
(1598.3) 142:3.2 Jesus mildly upbraided the twelve, in substance saying: Do you not know the traditions of Israel relating to the growth of the idea of Yahweh, and are you ignorant of the teaching of the Scriptures concerning the doctrine of God? And then did the Master proceed to instruct the apostles about the evolution of the concept of Deity throughout the course of the development of the Jewish people. He called attention to the following phases of the growth of the God idea:
(1598.4) 142:3.3 1. Yahweh — the god of the Sinai clans. This was the primitive concept of Deity which Moses exalted to the higher level of the Lord God of Israel. The Father in heaven never fails to accept the sincere worship of his children on earth, no matter how crude their concept of Deity or by what name they symbolize his divine nature.
(1598.5) 142:3.4 2. The Most High. This concept of the Father in heaven was proclaimed by Melchizedek to Abraham and was carried far from Salem by those who subsequently believed in this enlarged and expanded idea of Deity. Abraham and his brother left Ur because of the establishment of sun worship, and they became believers in Melchizedek’s teaching of El Elyon — the Most High God. Theirs was a composite concept of God, consisting in a blending of their older Mesopotamian ideas and the Most High doctrine.
(1598.6) 142:3.5 3. El Shaddai. During these early days many of the Hebrews worshiped El Shaddai, the Egyptian concept of the God of heaven, which they learned about during their captivity in the land of the Nile. Long after the times of Melchizedek all three of these concepts of God became joined together to form the doctrine of the creator Deity, the Lord God of Israel.
(1598.7) 142:3.6 4. Elohim. From the times of Adam the teaching of the Paradise Trinity has persisted. Do you not recall how the Scriptures begin by asserting that “In the beginning the Gods created the heavens and the earth”? This indicates that when that record was made the Trinity concept of three Gods in one had found lodgment in the religion of our forebears.
(1598.8) 142:3.7 5. The Supreme Yahweh. By the times of Isaiah these beliefs about God had expanded into the concept of a Universal Creator who was simultaneously all-powerful and all-merciful. And this evolving and enlarging concept of God virtually supplanted all previous ideas of Deity in our fathers’ religion.
(1598.9) 142:3.8 6. The Father in heaven. And now do we know God as our Father in heaven. Our teaching provides a religion wherein the believer is a son of God. That is the good news of the gospel of the kingdom of heaven. Coexistent with the Father are the Son and the Spirit, and the revelation of the nature and ministry of these Paradise Deities will continue to enlarge and brighten throughout the endless ages of the eternal spiritual progression of the ascending sons of God. At all times and during all ages the true worship of any human being — as concerns individual spiritual progress — is recognized by the indwelling spirit as homage rendered to the Father in heaven.
(1599.1) 142:3.9 Never before had the apostles been so shocked as they were upon hearing this recounting of the growth of the concept of God in the Jewish minds of previous generations; they were too bewildered to ask questions. As they sat before Jesus in silence, the Master continued: “And you would have known these truths had you read the Scriptures. Have you not read in Samuel where it says: ‘And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, so much so that he moved David against them, saying, go number Israel and Judah’? And this was not strange because in the days of Samuel the children of Abraham really believed that Yahweh created both good and evil. But when a later writer narrated these events, subsequent to the enlargement of the Jewish concept of the nature of God, he did not dare attribute evil to Yahweh; therefore he said: ‘And Satan stood up against Israel and provoked David to number Israel.’ Cannot you discern that such records in the Scriptures clearly show how the concept of the nature of God continued to grow from one generation to another?
(1599.2) 142:3.10 “Again should you have discerned the growth of the understanding of divine law in perfect keeping with these enlarging concepts of divinity. When the children of Israel came out of Egypt in the days before the enlarged revelation of Yahweh, they had ten commandments which served as their law right up to the times when they were encamped before Sinai. And these ten commandments were:
(1599.3) 142:3.11 “1. You shall worship no other god, for the Lord is a jealous God.
(1599.4) 142:3.12 “2. You shall not make molten gods.
(1599.5) 142:3.13 “3. You shall not neglect to keep the feast of unleavened bread.
(1599.6) 142:3.14 “4. Of all the males of men or cattle, the first-born are mine, says the Lord.
(1599.7) 142:3.15 “5. Six days you may work, but on the seventh day you shall rest.
(1599.8) 142:3.16 “6. You shall not fail to observe the feast of the first fruits and the feast of the ingathering at the end of the year.
(1599.9) 142:3.17 “7. You shall not offer the blood of any sacrifice with leavened bread.
(1599.10) 142:3.18 “8. The sacrifice of the feast of the Passover shall not be left until morning.
(1599.11) 142:3.19 “9. The first of the first fruits of the ground you shall bring to the house of the Lord your God.
(1599.12) 142:3.20 “10. You shall not seethe a kid in its mother’s milk.
(1599.13) 142:3.21 “And then, amidst the thunders and lightnings of Sinai, Moses gave them the new ten commandments, which you will all allow are more worthy utterances to accompany the enlarging Yahweh concepts of Deity. And did you never take notice of these commandments as twice recorded in the Scriptures, that in the first case deliverance from Egypt is assigned as the reason for Sabbath keeping, while in a later record the advancing religious beliefs of our forefathers demanded that this be changed to the recognition of the fact of creation as the reason for Sabbath observance?
(1599.14) 142:3.22 “And then will you remember that once again — in the greater spiritual enlightenment of Isaiah’s day — these ten negative commandments were changed into the great and positive law of love, the injunction to love God supremely and your neighbor as yourself. And it is this supreme law of love for God and for man that I also declare to you as constituting the whole duty of man.”
(1600.1) 142:3.23 And when he had finished speaking, no man asked him a question. They went, each one to his sleep.
Colter
Colter.You have developed a taste for stange flesh Colter.
Therefore Jesus will say;''who are you,I dont know you,get away from me you workers of lawlessness''.Still denying Jesus own words; ''except ye eat the flesh of the son of man,and drink his blood,ye have no life in you''.
John6:53–58.
Quote Colter. You have developed a taste for stange flesh Colter.
Therefore Jesus will say;''who are you,I dont know you,get away from me you workers of lawlessness''.Still denying Jesus own words; ''except ye eat the flesh of the son of man,and drink his blood,ye have no life in you''.
John6:53–58.
Maybe one day Jesus will open your eyes to the scripture and you will come to understand.
Colter
Establishing the Remembrance Supper
(1941.6) 179:5.1 As they brought Jesus the third cup of wine, the “cup of blessing,” he arose from the couch and, taking the cup in his hands, blessed it, saying: “Take this cup, all of you, and drink of it. This shall be the cup of my remembrance. This is the cup of the blessing of a new dispensation of grace and truth. This shall be to you the emblem of the bestowal and ministry of the divine Spirit of Truth. And I will not again drink this cup with you until I drink in new form with you in the Father’s eternal kingdom.”
(1942.1) 179:5.2 The apostles all sensed that something out of the ordinary was transpiring as they drank of this cup of blessing in profound reverence and perfect silence. The old Passover commemorated the emergence of their fathers from a state of racial slavery into individual freedom; now the Master was instituting a new remembrance supper as a symbol of the new dispensation wherein the enslaved individual emerges from the bondage of ceremonialism and selfishness into the spiritual joy of the brotherhood and fellowship of the liberated faith sons of the living God.
(1942.2) 179:5.3 When they had finished drinking this new cup of remembrance, the Master took up the bread and, after giving thanks, broke it in pieces and, directing them to pass it around, said: “Take this bread of remembrance and eat it. I have told you that I am the bread of life. And this bread of life is the united life of the Father and the Son in one gift. The word of the Father, as revealed in the Son, is indeed the bread of life.”When they had partaken of the bread of remembrance, the symbol of the living word of truth incarnated in the likeness of mortal flesh, they all sat down.
(1942.3) 179:5.4 In instituting this remembrance supper, the Master, as was always his habit, resorted to parables and symbols. He employed symbols because he wanted to teach certain great spiritual truths in such a manner as to make it difficult for his successors to attach precise interpretations and definite meanings to his words. In this way he sought to prevent successive generations from crystallizing his teaching and binding down his spiritual meanings by the dead chains of tradition and dogma. In the establishment of the only ceremony or sacrament associated with his whole life mission, Jesus took great pains to suggest his meanings rather than to commit himself to precise definitions. He did not wish to destroy the individual’s concept of divine communion by establishing a precise form; neither did he desire to limit the believer’s spiritual imagination by formally cramping it. He rather sought to set man’s reborn soul free upon the joyous wings of a new and living spiritual liberty.
(1942.4) 179:5.5 Notwithstanding the Master’s effort thus to establish this new sacrament of the remembrance, those who followed after him in the intervening centuries saw to it that his express desire was effectively thwarted in that his simple spiritual symbolism of that last night in the flesh has been reduced to precise interpretations and subjected to the almost mathematical precision of a set formula. Of all Jesus’ teachings none have become more tradition-standardized.
(1942.5) 179:5.6 This supper of remembrance, when it is partaken of by those who are Son-believing and God-knowing, does not need to have associated with its symbolism any of man’s puerile misinterpretations regarding the meaning of the divine presence, for upon all such occasions the Master is really present. The remembrance supper is the believer’s symbolic rendezvous with Michael. When you become thus spirit-conscious, the Son is actually present, and his spirit fraternizes with the indwelling fragment of his Father.
(1942.6) 179:5.7 After they had engaged in meditation for a few moments, Jesus continued speaking: “When you do these things, recall the life I have lived on earth among you and rejoice that I am to continue to live on earth with you and to serve through you. As individuals, contend not among yourselves as to who shall be greatest. Be you all as brethren. And when the kingdom grows to embrace large groups of believers, likewise should you refrain from contending for greatness or seeking preferment between such groups.”
(1943.1) 179:5.8 And this mighty occasion took place in the upper chamber of a friend. There was nothing of sacred form or of ceremonial consecration about either the supper or the building. The remembrance supper was established without ecclesiastical sanction.
(1943.2) 179:5.9 When Jesus had thus established the supper of the remembrance, he said to the eleven: “And as often as you do this, do it in remembrance of me. And when you do remember me, first look back upon my life in the flesh, recall that I was once with you, and then, by faith, discern that you shall all sometime sup with me in the Father’s eternal kingdom. This is the new Passover which I leave with you, even the memory of my bestowal life, the word of eternal truth; and of my love for you, the outpouring of my Spirit of Truth upon all flesh.”*
(1943.3) 179:5.10 And they ended this celebration of the old but bloodless Passover in connection with the inauguration of the new supper of the remembrance, by singing, all together, the one hundred and eighteenth Psalm.
….this was before the Pagans adopted Christianity and changed it.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ May 01 2013,02:22) Quote Colter. You have developed a taste for stange flesh Colter.
Therefore Jesus will say;''who are you,I dont know you,get away from me you workers of lawlessness''.Still denying Jesus own words; ''except ye eat the flesh of the son of man,and drink his blood,ye have no life in you''.
John6:53–58.
Maybe one day Jesus will open your eyes to the scripture and you will come to understand.
Colter
Colter.It is so obvious that you are worshipping another christ.
Because you dont adhere to Christs words.
Christs words you trample with your feet, as if nothing.
Woe to the scribes and pharisees.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 02 2013,01:16) Quote (Colter @ May 01 2013,02:22) Quote Colter. You have developed a taste for stange flesh Colter.
Therefore Jesus will say;''who are you,I dont know you,get away from me you workers of lawlessness''.Still denying Jesus own words; ''except ye eat the flesh of the son of man,and drink his blood,ye have no life in you''.
John6:53–58.
Maybe one day Jesus will open your eyes to the scripture and you will come to understand.
Colter
Colter.It is so obvious that you are worshipping another christ.
Because you dont adhere to Christs words.
Christs words you trample with your feet, as if nothing.
Woe to the scribes and pharisees.wakeup.
There is only one Christ, your accusation is based in the practice of legalism, you actually suffer from the same spiritual sickness of the pharisees yourself by relying on technicalities and doctrine formation. You swat at gnats while swallowing camels, just another incarnation of the fanatical fruit cakes who killed Jesus.I've NEVER trampled the words of Jesus however you reject the Liberal spirit of his teachings.
Colter
Previous Written Records
(1341.2) 121:8.1 As far as possible, consistent with our mandate, we have endeavored to utilize and to some extent co-ordinate the existing records having to do with the life of Jesus on Urantia. Although we have enjoyed access to the lost record of the Apostle Andrew and have benefited from the collaboration of a vast host of celestial beings who were on earth during the times of Michael’s bestowal (notably his now Personalized Adjuster), it has been our purpose also to make use of the so-called Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
(1341.3) 121:8.2 These New Testament records had their origin in the following circumstances:
(1341.4) 121:8.3 1. The Gospel by Mark. John Mark wrote the earliest (excepting the notes of Andrew), briefest, and most simple record of Jesus’ life. He presented the Master as a minister, as man among men. Although Mark was a lad lingering about many of the scenes which he depicts, his record is in reality the Gospel according to Simon Peter. He was early associated with Peter; later with Paul. Mark wrote this record at the instigation of Peter and on the earnest petition of the church at Rome. Knowing how consistently the Master refused to write out his teachings when on earth and in the flesh, Mark, like the apostles and other leading disciples, was hesitant to put them in writing. But Peter felt the church at Rome required the assistance of such a written narrative, and Mark consented to undertake its preparation. He made many notes before Peter died in A.D. 67, and in accordance with the outline approved by Peter and for the church at Rome, he began his writing soon after Peter’s death. The Gospel was completed near the end of A.D. 68. Mark wrote entirely from his own memory and Peter’s memory. The record has since been considerably changed, numerous passages having been taken out and some later matter added at the end to replace the latter one fifth of the original Gospel, which was lost from the first manuscript before it was ever copied. This record by Mark, in conjunction with Andrew’s and Matthew’s notes, was the written basis of all subsequent Gospel narratives which sought to portray the life and teachings of Jesus.
(1341.5) 121:8.4 2. The Gospel of Matthew. The so-called Gospel according to Matthew is the record of the Master’s life which was written for the edification of Jewish Christians. The author of this record constantly seeks to show in Jesus’ life that much which he did was that “it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet.” Matthew’s Gospel portrays Jesus as a son of David, picturing him as showing great respect for the law and the prophets.
(1341.6) 121:8.5 The Apostle Matthew did not write this Gospel. It was written by Isador, one of his disciples, who had as a help in his work not only Matthew’s personal remembrance of these events but also a certain record which the latter had made of the sayings of Jesus directly after the crucifixion. This record by Matthew was written in Aramaic; Isador wrote in Greek. There was no intent to deceive in accrediting the production to Matthew. It was the custom in those days for pupils thus to honor their teachers.
(1342.1) 121:8.6 Matthew’s original record was edited and added to in A.D. 40 just before he left Jerusalem to engage in evangelistic preaching. It was a private record, the last copy having been destroyed in the burning of a Syrian monastery in A.D. 416.
(1342.2) 121:8.7 Isador escaped from Jerusalem in A.D. 70 after the investment of the city by the armies of Titus, taking with him to Pella a copy of Matthew’s notes. In the year 71, while living at Pella, Isador wrote the Gospel according to Matthew. He also had with him the first four fifths of Mark’s narrative.
(1342.3) 121:8.8 3. The Gospel by Luke. Luke, the physician of Antioch in Pisidia, was a gentile convert of Paul, and he wrote quite a different story of the Master’s life. He began to follow Paul and learn of the life and teachings of Jesus in A.D. 47. Luke preserves much of the “grace of the Lord Jesus Christ” in his record as he gathered up these facts from Paul and others. Luke presents the Master as “the friend of publicans and sinners.” He did not formulate his many notes into the Gospel until after Paul’s death. Luke wrote in the year 82 in Achaia. He planned three books dealing with the history of Christ and Christianity but died in A.D. 90 just before he finished the second of these works, the “Acts of the Apostles.”
(1342.4) 121:8.9 As material for the compilation of his Gospel, Luke first depended upon the story of Jesus’ life as Paul had related it to him. Luke’s Gospel is, therefore, in some ways the Gospel according to Paul. But Luke had other sources of information. He not only interviewed scores of eyewitnesses to the numerous episodes of Jesus’ life which he records, but he also had with him a copy of Mark’s Gospel, that is, the first four fifths, Isador’s narrative, and a brief record made in the year A.D. 78 at Antioch by a believer named Cedes. Luke also had a mutilated and much-edited copy of some notes purported to have been made by the Apostle Andrew.
(1342.5) 121:8.10 4. The Gospel of John. The Gospel according to John relates much of Jesus’ work in Judea and around Jerusalem which is not contained in the other records. This is the so-called Gospel according to John the son of Zebedee, and though John did not write it, he did inspire it. Since its first writing it has several times been edited to make it appear to have been written by John himself. When this record was made, John had the other Gospels, and he saw that much had been omitted; accordingly, in the year A.D. 101 he encouraged his associate, Nathan, a Greek Jew from Caesarea, to begin the writing. John supplied his material from memory and by reference to the three records already in existence. He had no written records of his own. The Epistle known as “First John” was written by John himself as a covering letter for the work which Nathan executed under his direction.
Colter
Colter.
Your doctrine does not hold any water.
You deny the sacrifice on the cross;but scripture says otherwise.Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a **sharp twoedged sword**: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; **I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST**:
Revelation 1:18 **I AM HE THAT LIVETH**, **AND WAS DEAD**; and, behold, **I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE**, Amen; and have the *keys of hell and of death*.
rev.22:13. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE BEGINNING AND THE END,THE *FIRSTAND THE LAST*.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,03:04) Colter. Your doctrine does not hold any water.
You deny the sacrifice on the cross;but scripture says otherwise.Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a **sharp twoedged sword**: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; **I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST**:
Revelation 1:18 **I AM HE THAT LIVETH**, **AND WAS DEAD**; and, behold, **I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE**, Amen; and have the *keys of hell and of death*.
rev.22:13. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE BEGINNING AND THE END,THE *FIRSTAND THE LAST*.
wakeup.
Wakeup<I don't have a doctrine, doctrine formation petrifies God into a mere formula instead of a life.
Everything you say proves that you would have rejected Jesus using the same fear based theology. You are a slave to tradition and the false authority of institutional religion.
You deny the original Gospel of Jesus, his revelation of a changeless, loving and forgiving Father as well as the sonship of man.
You live in the bondage of fear, lacking common sense and perception of spiritual truth, in other words, you just blindly think and do what you are told rather then having a personal sincere, genuine, relationship with the God revealed in the life of Christ.
You lack the courage to consider or acknowledge that Jesus himself never did teach that his death was a sacrifice as a condition for forgiveness.
You do not have the balls to go and research for yourself the fact that Pagan Rome ALREADY had atonement theology in their Pagan, Mystery religions while Jesus did not. The religion OF Jesus had forgiveness and salvation by living faith, not blood sacrifice, be it animal or human.
The problems of the Roman Catholic Church (evolved Christianity) go all the way back to the very first day after Jesus ascended into heaven when Peter began to preach a new and slightly different gospel; a religion ABOUT Jesus as the risen Christ rather then the old gospel of the “kingdom of heaven.” Paul took that and ran with it, making further compromises with the Pagan's.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ May 10 2013,02:32) Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,03:04) Colter. Your doctrine does not hold any water.
You deny the sacrifice on the cross;but scripture says otherwise.Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a **sharp twoedged sword**: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; **I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST**:
Revelation 1:18 **I AM HE THAT LIVETH**, **AND WAS DEAD**; and, behold, **I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE**, Amen; and have the *keys of hell and of death*.
rev.22:13. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE BEGINNING AND THE END,THE *FIRSTAND THE LAST*.
wakeup.
Wakeup<I don't have a doctrine, doctrine formation petrifies God into a mere formula instead of a life.
Everything you say proves that you would have rejected Jesus using the same fear based theology. You are a slave to tradition and the false authority of institutional religion.
You deny the original Gospel of Jesus, his revelation of a changeless, loving and forgiving Father as well as the sonship of man.
You live in the bondage of fear, lacking common sense and perception of spiritual truth, in other words, you just blindly think and do what you are told rather then having a personal sincere, genuine, relationship with the God revealed in the life of Christ.
You lack the courage to consider or acknowledge that Jesus himself never did teach that his death was a sacrifice as a condition for forgiveness.
You do not have the balls to go and research for yourself the fact that Pagan Rome ALREADY had atonement theology in their Pagan, Mystery religions while Jesus did not. The religion OF Jesus had forgiveness and salvation by living faith, not blood sacrifice, be it animal or human.
The problems of the Roman Catholic Church (evolved Christianity) go all the way back to the very first day after Jesus ascended into heaven when Peter began to preach a new and slightly different gospel; a religion ABOUT Jesus as the risen Christ rather then the old gospel of the “kingdom of heaven.” Paul took that and ran with it, making further compromises with the Pagan's.
Colter
Colter.You are forgetting satan the great deceiver; he always copies; and so he has done with the whole concept of Gods sacrifice,from the beginning.
And most are deceived by that; thinking it is God that is copying the old babylonian religion.
In fact it is satan at work;distorting and deceiving the world.And you have been taken.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2013,17:30) Quote (Colter @ May 10 2013,02:32) Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,03:04) Colter. Your doctrine does not hold any water.
You deny the sacrifice on the cross;but scripture says otherwise.Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a **sharp twoedged sword**: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; **I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST**:
Revelation 1:18 **I AM HE THAT LIVETH**, **AND WAS DEAD**; and, behold, **I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE**, Amen; and have the *keys of hell and of death*.
rev.22:13. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE BEGINNING AND THE END,THE *FIRSTAND THE LAST*.
wakeup.
Wakeup<I don't have a doctrine, doctrine formation petrifies God into a mere formula instead of a life.
Everything you say proves that you would have rejected Jesus using the same fear based theology. You are a slave to tradition and the false authority of institutional religion.
You deny the original Gospel of Jesus, his revelation of a changeless, loving and forgiving Father as well as the sonship of man.
You live in the bondage of fear, lacking common sense and perception of spiritual truth, in other words, you just blindly think and do what you are told rather then having a personal sincere, genuine, relationship with the God revealed in the life of Christ.
You lack the courage to consider or acknowledge that Jesus himself never did teach that his death was a sacrifice as a condition for forgiveness.
You do not have the balls to go and research for yourself the fact that Pagan Rome ALREADY had atonement theology in their Pagan, Mystery religions while Jesus did not. The religion OF Jesus had forgiveness and salvation by living faith, not blood sacrifice, be it animal or human.
The problems of the Roman Catholic Church (evolved Christianity) go all the way back to the very first day after Jesus ascended into heaven when Peter began to preach a new and slightly different gospel; a religion ABOUT Jesus as the risen Christ rather then the old gospel of the “kingdom of heaven.” Paul took that and ran with it, making further compromises with the Pagan's.
Colter
Colter.You are forgetting satan the great deceiver; he always copies; and so he has done with the whole concept of Gods sacrifice,from the beginning.
And most are deceived by that; thinking it is God that is copying the old babylonian religion.
In fact it is satan at work;distorting and deceiving the world.And you have been taken.
wakeup.
But you teach that Satan's will is Gods will, so even if your great faith in Satan's work were true, I would simply be doing Gods will.Colter
Quote (Colter @ May 11 2013,21:49) Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2013,17:30) Quote (Colter @ May 10 2013,02:32) Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,03:04) Colter. Your doctrine does not hold any water.
You deny the sacrifice on the cross;but scripture says otherwise.Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a **sharp twoedged sword**: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; **I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST**:
Revelation 1:18 **I AM HE THAT LIVETH**, **AND WAS DEAD**; and, behold, **I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE**, Amen; and have the *keys of hell and of death*.
rev.22:13. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE BEGINNING AND THE END,THE *FIRSTAND THE LAST*.
wakeup.
Wakeup<I don't have a doctrine, doctrine formation petrifies God into a mere formula instead of a life.
Everything you say proves that you would have rejected Jesus using the same fear based theology. You are a slave to tradition and the false authority of institutional religion.
You deny the original Gospel of Jesus, his revelation of a changeless, loving and forgiving Father as well as the sonship of man.
You live in the bondage of fear, lacking common sense and perception of spiritual truth, in other words, you just blindly think and do what you are told rather then having a personal sincere, genuine, relationship with the God revealed in the life of Christ.
You lack the courage to consider or acknowledge that Jesus himself never did teach that his death was a sacrifice as a condition for forgiveness.
You do not have the balls to go and research for yourself the fact that Pagan Rome ALREADY had atonement theology in their Pagan, Mystery religions while Jesus did not. The religion OF Jesus had forgiveness and salvation by living faith, not blood sacrifice, be it animal or human.
The problems of the Roman Catholic Church (evolved Christianity) go all the way back to the very first day after Jesus ascended into heaven when Peter began to preach a new and slightly different gospel; a religion ABOUT Jesus as the risen Christ rather then the old gospel of the “kingdom of heaven.” Paul took that and ran with it, making further compromises with the Pagan's.
Colter
Colter.You are forgetting satan the great deceiver; he always copies; and so he has done with the whole concept of Gods sacrifice,from the beginning.
And most are deceived by that; thinking it is God that is copying the old babylonian religion.
In fact it is satan at work;distorting and deceiving the world.And you have been taken.
wakeup.
But you teach that Satan's will is Gods will, so even if your great faith in Satan's work were true, I would simply be doing Gods will.Colter
Colter.It depends what God is using you for.
For the good or for the bad.
He always use the bad to do the bad work.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 12 2013,03:22) Quote (Colter @ May 11 2013,21:49) Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2013,17:30) Quote (Colter @ May 10 2013,02:32) Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,03:04) Colter. Your doctrine does not hold any water.
You deny the sacrifice on the cross;but scripture says otherwise.Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a **sharp twoedged sword**: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; **I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST**:
Revelation 1:18 **I AM HE THAT LIVETH**, **AND WAS DEAD**; and, behold, **I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE**, Amen; and have the *keys of hell and of death*.
rev.22:13. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE BEGINNING AND THE END,THE *FIRSTAND THE LAST*.
wakeup.
Wakeup<I don't have a doctrine, doctrine formation petrifies God into a mere formula instead of a life.
Everything you say proves that you would have rejected Jesus using the same fear based theology. You are a slave to tradition and the false authority of institutional religion.
You deny the original Gospel of Jesus, his revelation of a changeless, loving and forgiving Father as well as the sonship of man.
You live in the bondage of fear, lacking common sense and perception of spiritual truth, in other words, you just blindly think and do what you are told rather then having a personal sincere, genuine, relationship with the God revealed in the life of Christ.
You lack the courage to consider or acknowledge that Jesus himself never did teach that his death was a sacrifice as a condition for forgiveness.
You do not have the balls to go and research for yourself the fact that Pagan Rome ALREADY had atonement theology in their Pagan, Mystery religions while Jesus did not. The religion OF Jesus had forgiveness and salvation by living faith, not blood sacrifice, be it animal or human.
The problems of the Roman Catholic Church (evolved Christianity) go all the way back to the very first day after Jesus ascended into heaven when Peter began to preach a new and slightly different gospel; a religion ABOUT Jesus as the risen Christ rather then the old gospel of the “kingdom of heaven.” Paul took that and ran with it, making further compromises with the Pagan's.
Colter
Colter.You are forgetting satan the great deceiver; he always copies; and so he has done with the whole concept of Gods sacrifice,from the beginning.
And most are deceived by that; thinking it is God that is copying the old babylonian religion.
In fact it is satan at work;distorting and deceiving the world.And you have been taken.
wakeup.
But you teach that Satan's will is Gods will, so even if your great faith in Satan's work were true, I would simply be doing Gods will.Colter
Colter.It depends what God is using you for.
For the good or for the bad.
He always use the bad to do the bad work.wakeup.
To accuse God of doing evil for ANY reason is Blasphemy, but I suspect that someone else taught you these inconsistent doctrines for you cannot possibly be that stupid.Colter
Quote (Colter @ May 13 2013,03:30) Quote (Wakeup @ May 12 2013,03:22) Quote (Colter @ May 11 2013,21:49) Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2013,17:30) Quote (Colter @ May 10 2013,02:32) Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,03:04) Colter. Your doctrine does not hold any water.
You deny the sacrifice on the cross;but scripture says otherwise.Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a **sharp twoedged sword**: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; **I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST**:
Revelation 1:18 **I AM HE THAT LIVETH**, **AND WAS DEAD**; and, behold, **I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE**, Amen; and have the *keys of hell and of death*.
rev.22:13. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE BEGINNING AND THE END,THE *FIRSTAND THE LAST*.
wakeup.
Wakeup<I don't have a doctrine, doctrine formation petrifies God into a mere formula instead of a life.
Everything you say proves that you would have rejected Jesus using the same fear based theology. You are a slave to tradition and the false authority of institutional religion.
You deny the original Gospel of Jesus, his revelation of a changeless, loving and forgiving Father as well as the sonship of man.
You live in the bondage of fear, lacking common sense and perception of spiritual truth, in other words, you just blindly think and do what you are told rather then having a personal sincere, genuine, relationship with the God revealed in the life of Christ.
You lack the courage to consider or acknowledge that Jesus himself never did teach that his death was a sacrifice as a condition for forgiveness.
You do not have the balls to go and research for yourself the fact that Pagan Rome ALREADY had atonement theology in their Pagan, Mystery religions while Jesus did not. The religion OF Jesus had forgiveness and salvation by living faith, not blood sacrifice, be it animal or human.
The problems of the Roman Catholic Church (evolved Christianity) go all the way back to the very first day after Jesus ascended into heaven when Peter began to preach a new and slightly different gospel; a religion ABOUT Jesus as the risen Christ rather then the old gospel of the “kingdom of heaven.” Paul took that and ran with it, making further compromises with the Pagan's.
Colter
Colter.You are forgetting satan the great deceiver; he always copies; and so he has done with the whole concept of Gods sacrifice,from the beginning.
And most are deceived by that; thinking it is God that is copying the old babylonian religion.
In fact it is satan at work;distorting and deceiving the world.And you have been taken.
wakeup.
But you teach that Satan's will is Gods will, so even if your great faith in Satan's work were true, I would simply be doing Gods will.Colter
Colter.It depends what God is using you for.
For the good or for the bad.
He always use the bad to do the bad work.wakeup.
To accuse God of doing evil for ANY reason is Blasphemy, but I suspect that someone else taught you these inconsistent doctrines for you cannot possibly be that stupid.Colter
Colter.God chose evil Judas iscariot to be one of the apostles for a purpose.
God chose king Nebuchadnezzar to punish his nation israel,so israel was taken by the king of babylon.God created the nation israel in a foreign country;
so they could be enslaved by pharaoh.
God used pharaoh to do the job,all for Gods purpose.You dont know the God you suppose to worship.
This is very sad.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2013,04:34) Quote (Colter @ May 13 2013,03:30) Quote (Wakeup @ May 12 2013,03:22) Quote (Colter @ May 11 2013,21:49) Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2013,17:30) Quote (Colter @ May 10 2013,02:32) Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,03:04) Colter. Your doctrine does not hold any water.
You deny the sacrifice on the cross;but scripture says otherwise.Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a **sharp twoedged sword**: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; **I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST**:
Revelation 1:18 **I AM HE THAT LIVETH**, **AND WAS DEAD**; and, behold, **I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE**, Amen; and have the *keys of hell and of death*.
rev.22:13. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE BEGINNING AND THE END,THE *FIRSTAND THE LAST*.
wakeup.
Wakeup<I don't have a doctrine, doctrine formation petrifies God into a mere formula instead of a life.
Everything you say proves that you would have rejected Jesus using the same fear based theology. You are a slave to tradition and the false authority of institutional religion.
You deny the original Gospel of Jesus, his revelation of a changeless, loving and forgiving Father as well as the sonship of man.
You live in the bondage of fear, lacking common sense and perception of spiritual truth, in other words, you just blindly think and do what you are told rather then having a personal sincere, genuine, relationship with the God revealed in the life of Christ.
You lack the courage to consider or acknowledge that Jesus himself never did teach that his death was a sacrifice as a condition for forgiveness.
You do not have the balls to go and research for yourself the fact that Pagan Rome ALREADY had atonement theology in their Pagan, Mystery religions while Jesus did not. The religion OF Jesus had forgiveness and salvation by living faith, not blood sacrifice, be it animal or human.
The problems of the Roman Catholic Church (evolved Christianity) go all the way back to the very first day after Jesus ascended into heaven when Peter began to preach a new and slightly different gospel; a religion ABOUT Jesus as the risen Christ rather then the old gospel of the “kingdom of heaven.” Paul took that and ran with it, making further compromises with the Pagan's.
Colter
Colter.You are forgetting satan the great deceiver; he always copies; and so he has done with the whole concept of Gods sacrifice,from the beginning.
And most are deceived by that; thinking it is God that is copying the old babylonian religion.
In fact it is satan at work;distorting and deceiving the world.And you have been taken.
wakeup.
But you teach that Satan's will is Gods will, so even if your great faith in Satan's work were true, I would simply be doing Gods will.Colter
Colter.It depends what God is using you for.
For the good or for the bad.
He always use the bad to do the bad work.wakeup.
To accuse God of doing evil for ANY reason is Blasphemy, but I suspect that someone else taught you these inconsistent doctrines for you cannot possibly be that stupid.Colter
Colter.God chose evil Judas iscariot to be one of the apostles for a purpose.
God chose king Nebuchadnezzar to punish his nation israel,so israel was taken by the king of babylon.God created the nation israel in a foreign country;
so they could be enslaved by pharaoh.
God used pharaoh to do the job,all for Gods purpose.You dont know the God you suppose to worship.
This is very sad.wakeup.
That kind of thinking is the old serperstition of primitive people who thought God made evil things happen and good things happen.Before the Loving, trustable Father was revealed in Jesus one may have had an excuse to think in such a backward way, but now we know that God is not a double producer of confusion.
That silly way of thinking makes a fool of Jesus when he condemned those who murdered him just so that the Pagans can justify their human sacrifice doctrine that Jesus never taught.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ May 13 2013,10:39) Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2013,04:34) Quote (Colter @ May 13 2013,03:30) Quote (Wakeup @ May 12 2013,03:22) Quote (Colter @ May 11 2013,21:49) Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2013,17:30) Quote (Colter @ May 10 2013,02:32) Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,03:04) Colter. Your doctrine does not hold any water.
You deny the sacrifice on the cross;but scripture says otherwise.Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a **sharp twoedged sword**: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; **I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST**:
Revelation 1:18 **I AM HE THAT LIVETH**, **AND WAS DEAD**; and, behold, **I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE**, Amen; and have the *keys of hell and of death*.
rev.22:13. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE BEGINNING AND THE END,THE *FIRSTAND THE LAST*.
wakeup.
Wakeup<I don't have a doctrine, doctrine formation petrifies God into a mere formula instead of a life.
Everything you say proves that you would have rejected Jesus using the same fear based theology. You are a slave to tradition and the false authority of institutional religion.
You deny the original Gospel of Jesus, his revelation of a changeless, loving and forgiving Father as well as the sonship of man.
You live in the bondage of fear, lacking common sense and perception of spiritual truth, in other words, you just blindly think and do what you are told rather then having a personal sincere, genuine, relationship with the God revealed in the life of Christ.
You lack the courage to consider or acknowledge that Jesus himself never did teach that his death was a sacrifice as a condition for forgiveness.
You do not have the balls to go and research for yourself the fact that Pagan Rome ALREADY had atonement theology in their Pagan, Mystery religions while Jesus did not. The religion OF Jesus had forgiveness and salvation by living faith, not blood sacrifice, be it animal or human.
The problems of the Roman Catholic Church (evolved Christianity) go all the way back to the very first day after Jesus ascended into heaven when Peter began to preach a new and slightly different gospel; a religion ABOUT Jesus as the risen Christ rather then the old gospel of the “kingdom of heaven.” Paul took that and ran with it, making further compromises with the Pagan's.
Colter
Colter.You are forgetting satan the great deceiver; he always copies; and so he has done with the whole concept of Gods sacrifice,from the beginning.
And most are deceived by that; thinking it is God that is copying the old babylonian religion.
In fact it is satan at work;distorting and deceiving the world.And you have been taken.
wakeup.
But you teach that Satan's will is Gods will, so even if your great faith in Satan's work were true, I would simply be doing Gods will.Colter
Colter.It depends what God is using you for.
For the good or for the bad.
He always use the bad to do the bad work.wakeup.
To accuse God of doing evil for ANY reason is Blasphemy, but I suspect that someone else taught you these inconsistent doctrines for you cannot possibly be that stupid.Colter
Colter.God chose evil Judas iscariot to be one of the apostles for a purpose.
God chose king Nebuchadnezzar to punish his nation israel,so israel was taken by the king of babylon.God created the nation israel in a foreign country;
so they could be enslaved by pharaoh.
God used pharaoh to do the job,all for Gods purpose.You dont know the God you suppose to worship.
This is very sad.wakeup.
That kind of thinking is the old serperstition of primitive people who thought God made evil things happen and good things happen.Before the Loving, trustable Father was revealed in Jesus one may have had an excuse to think in such a backward way, but now we know that God is not a double producer of confusion.
That silly way of thinking makes a fool of Jesus when he condemned those who murdered him just so that the Pagans can justify their human sacrifice doctrine that Jesus never taught.
Colter
Colter.It is just because you dont have the big picture; that make you say those things.
We know that God created the *day* and the *night*; unless you disagree with this also.He created *good* and *evil*.
Satan is total evil, and it is God that created him.
God created him good; but God also knew that he would be a total evil creature.Gods plan is to reveal total evil to mankind,so we will know what is bad.
And Jesus is showing us total good;so we know what is good.This is why it took so long for satan to finish his evil work.
Because God wanted all mankind to know what is total evil,and what is total good.70 generations from the flood in total;then the earth shall be renewed. This generation would be the 60th. 10 more to come in the 1000yr kingdom,when all will live up to 100yrs old.
Some explanations to do here; but you wont be able to understand because of your foundation.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2013,17:40) Quote (Colter @ May 13 2013,10:39) Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2013,04:34) Quote (Colter @ May 13 2013,03:30) Quote (Wakeup @ May 12 2013,03:22) Quote (Colter @ May 11 2013,21:49) Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2013,17:30) Quote (Colter @ May 10 2013,02:32) Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,03:04) Colter. Your doctrine does not hold any water.
You deny the sacrifice on the cross;but scripture says otherwise.Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a **sharp twoedged sword**: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; **I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST**:
Revelation 1:18 **I AM HE THAT LIVETH**, **AND WAS DEAD**; and, behold, **I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE**, Amen; and have the *keys of hell and of death*.
rev.22:13. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE BEGINNING AND THE END,THE *FIRSTAND THE LAST*.
wakeup.
Wakeup<I don't have a doctrine, doctrine formation petrifies God into a mere formula instead of a life.
Everything you say proves that you would have rejected Jesus using the same fear based theology. You are a slave to tradition and the false authority of institutional religion.
You deny the original Gospel of Jesus, his revelation of a changeless, loving and forgiving Father as well as the sonship of man.
You live in the bondage of fear, lacking common sense and perception of spiritual truth, in other words, you just blindly think and do what you are told rather then having a personal sincere, genuine, relationship with the God revealed in the life of Christ.
You lack the courage to consider or acknowledge that Jesus himself never did teach that his death was a sacrifice as a condition for forgiveness.
You do not have the balls to go and research for yourself the fact that Pagan Rome ALREADY had atonement theology in their Pagan, Mystery religions while Jesus did not. The religion OF Jesus had forgiveness and salvation by living faith, not blood sacrifice, be it animal or human.
The problems of the Roman Catholic Church (evolved Christianity) go all the way back to the very first day after Jesus ascended into heaven when Peter began to preach a new and slightly different gospel; a religion ABOUT Jesus as the risen Christ rather then the old gospel of the “kingdom of heaven.” Paul took that and ran with it, making further compromises with the Pagan's.
Colter
Colter.You are forgetting satan the great deceiver; he always copies; and so he has done with the whole concept of Gods sacrifice,from the beginning.
And most are deceived by that; thinking it is God that is copying the old babylonian religion.
In fact it is satan at work;distorting and deceiving the world.And you have been taken.
wakeup.
But you teach that Satan's will is Gods will, so even if your great faith in Satan's work were true, I would simply be doing Gods will.Colter
Colter.It depends what God is using you for.
For the good or for the bad.
He always use the bad to do the bad work.wakeup.
To accuse God of doing evil for ANY reason is Blasphemy, but I suspect that someone else taught you these inconsistent doctrines for you cannot possibly be that stupid.Colter
Colter.God chose evil Judas iscariot to be one of the apostles for a purpose.
God chose king Nebuchadnezzar to punish his nation israel,so israel was taken by the king of babylon.God created the nation israel in a foreign country;
so they could be enslaved by pharaoh.
God used pharaoh to do the job,all for Gods purpose.You dont know the God you suppose to worship.
This is very sad.wakeup.
That kind of thinking is the old serperstition of primitive people who thought God made evil things happen and good things happen.Before the Loving, trustable Father was revealed in Jesus one may have had an excuse to think in such a backward way, but now we know that God is not a double producer of confusion.
That silly way of thinking makes a fool of Jesus when he condemned those who murdered him just so that the Pagans can justify their human sacrifice doctrine that Jesus never taught.
Colter
Colter.It is just because you dont have the big picture; that make you say those things.
We know that God created the *day* and the *night*; unless you disagree with this also.He created *good* and *evil*.
Satan is total evil, and it is God that created him.
God created him good; but God also knew that he would be a total evil creature.Gods plan is to reveal total evil to mankind,so we will know what is bad.
And Jesus is showing us total good;so we know what is good.This is why it took so long for satan to finish his evil work.
Because God wanted all mankind to know what is total evil,and what is total good.70 generations from the flood in total;then the earth shall be renewed. This generation would be the 60th. 10 more to come in the 1000yr kingdom,when all will live up to 100yrs old.
Some explanations to do here; but you wont be able to understand because of your foundation.wakeup.
Your foundation presents a house divided against itself, it makes Good into evil; square circles.God's plan is for his children to choose his way, the right way, the good and loving way; anything other then Gods way is not Gods will, it is evil.
When God gave man life/choice, that presented man with the option of evil; it is Gods will for man to choose good (Gods will) not evil.
Lucifer, and his assistant Satan were trusted administrators in the celestial world; God delegates authority in his Son's. It was Gods will for Lucifer and Satan to be loyal with his
trust, to do the will of God in his stewardship over the children of the evolutionary worlds.But Satan fell in love with himself (evil), his own God given brilliance. He lost faith in the unseen Father, he rebelled against his creator brother (Jesus Christ) and fooled the whole world. He became the Father of lies, attempting to be “God of this world.”
Many fell into sin, even angels believed him. The wisdom of the Father and the Son was to let the matter play out, to let man and angels to see the error of their ways and allow time for the evil ones to repent for God loved them to and did not want to destroy them if there was a chance of redemption.
The final battle was won while the Son was on the earth, he defeated the rebels in righteousness and love. All the universe looked on in stunned awe of the Love of the Son and his faith in the unseen Father.
Jesus defeated the rebels, they are gone
God is GOOD, he cannot do the ungodlike thing.
Good is not evil, a good and perfect God is merely distinguished by his imperfect children who fall into evil, but that does not mean it is the will of God far his children to be evil.
Gen 3
13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.Colter
Quote (Colter @ May 13 2013,22:08) Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2013,17:40) Quote (Colter @ May 13 2013,10:39) Quote (Wakeup @ May 13 2013,04:34) Quote (Colter @ May 13 2013,03:30) Quote (Wakeup @ May 12 2013,03:22) Quote (Colter @ May 11 2013,21:49) Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2013,17:30) Quote (Colter @ May 10 2013,02:32) Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,03:04) Colter. Your doctrine does not hold any water.
You deny the sacrifice on the cross;but scripture says otherwise.Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a **sharp twoedged sword**: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; **I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST**:
Revelation 1:18 **I AM HE THAT LIVETH**, **AND WAS DEAD**; and, behold, **I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE**, Amen; and have the *keys of hell and of death*.
rev.22:13. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE BEGINNING AND THE END,THE *FIRSTAND THE LAST*.
wakeup.
Wakeup<I don't have a doctrine, doctrine formation petrifies God into a mere formula instead of a life.
Everything you say proves that you would have rejected Jesus using the same fear based theology. You are a slave to tradition and the false authority of institutional religion.
You deny the original Gospel of Jesus, his revelation of a changeless, loving and forgiving Father as well as the sonship of man.
You live in the bondage of fear, lacking common sense and perception of spiritual truth, in other words, you just blindly think and do what you are told rather then having a personal sincere, genuine, relationship with the God revealed in the life of Christ.
You lack the courage to consider or acknowledge that Jesus himself never did teach that his death was a sacrifice as a condition for forgiveness.
You do not have the balls to go and research for yourself the fact that Pagan Rome ALREADY had atonement theology in their Pagan, Mystery religions while Jesus did not. The religion OF Jesus had forgiveness and salvation by living faith, not blood sacrifice, be it animal or human.
The problems of the Roman Catholic Church (evolved Christianity) go all the way back to the very first day after Jesus ascended into heaven when Peter began to preach a new and slightly different gospel; a religion ABOUT Jesus as the risen Christ rather then the old gospel of the “kingdom of heaven.” Paul took that and ran with it, making further compromises with the Pagan's.
Colter
Colter.You are forgetting satan the great deceiver; he always copies; and so he has done with the whole concept of Gods sacrifice,from the beginning.
And most are deceived by that; thinking it is God that is copying the old babylonian religion.
In fact it is satan at work;distorting and deceiving the world.And you have been taken.
wakeup.
But you teach that Satan's will is Gods will, so even if your great faith in Satan's work were true, I would simply be doing Gods will.Colter
Colter.It depends what God is using you for.
For the good or for the bad.
He always use the bad to do the bad work.wakeup.
To accuse God of doing evil for ANY reason is Blasphemy, but I suspect that someone else taught you these inconsistent doctrines for you cannot possibly be that stupid.Colter
Colter.God chose evil Judas iscariot to be one of the apostles for a purpose.
God chose king Nebuchadnezzar to punish his nation israel,so israel was taken by the king of babylon.God created the nation israel in a foreign country;
so they could be enslaved by pharaoh.
God used pharaoh to do the job,all for Gods purpose.You dont know the God you suppose to worship.
This is very sad.wakeup.
That kind of thinking is the old serperstition of primitive people who thought God made evil things happen and good things happen.Before the Loving, trustable Father was revealed in Jesus one may have had an excuse to think in such a backward way, but now we know that God is not a double producer of confusion.
That silly way of thinking makes a fool of Jesus when he condemned those who murdered him just so that the Pagans can justify their human sacrifice doctrine that Jesus never taught.
Colter
Colter.It is just because you dont have the big picture; that make you say those things.
We know that God created the *day* and the *night*; unless you disagree with this also.He created *good* and *evil*.
Satan is total evil, and it is God that created him.
God created him good; but God also knew that he would be a total evil creature.Gods plan is to reveal total evil to mankind,so we will know what is bad.
And Jesus is showing us total good;so we know what is good.This is why it took so long for satan to finish his evil work.
Because God wanted all mankind to know what is total evil,and what is total good.70 generations from the flood in total;then the earth shall be renewed. This generation would be the 60th. 10 more to come in the 1000yr kingdom,when all will live up to 100yrs old.
Some explanations to do here; but you wont be able to understand because of your foundation.wakeup.
Your foundation presents a house divided against itself, it makes Good into evil; square circles.God's plan is for his children to choose his way, the right way, the good and loving way; anything other then Gods way is not Gods will, it is evil.
When God gave man life/choice, that presented man with the option of evil; it is Gods will for man to choose good (Gods will) not evil.
Lu
cifer, and his assistant Satan were trusted administrators in the celestial world; God delegates authority in his Son's. It was Gods will for Lucifer and Satan to be loyal with his trust, to do the will of God in his stewardship over the children of the evolutionary worlds.But Satan fell in love with himself (evil), his own God given brilliance. He lost faith in the unseen Father, he rebelled against his creator brother (Jesus Christ) and fooled the whole world. He became the Father of lies, attempting to be “God of this world.”
Many fell into sin, even angels believed him. The wisdom of the Father and the Son was to let the matter play out, to let man and angels to see the error of their ways and allow time for the evil ones to repent for God loved them to and did not want to destroy them if there was a chance of redemption.
The final battle was won while the Son was on the earth, he defeated the rebels in righteousness and love. All the universe looked on in stunned awe of the Love of the Son and his faith in the unseen Father.
Jesus defeated the rebels, they are gone
God is GOOD, he cannot do the ungodlike thing.
Good is not evil, a good and perfect God is merely distinguished by his imperfect children who fall into evil, but that does not mean it is the will of God far his children to be evil.
Gen 3
13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.Colter
Colter.Jesus and satan are not brothers as you say they are;
Jesus created lucifer.
Without him(the Word), was *not anything made* that was made.Jesus is the Word made flesh;satan is a creature,created by the Word.
Colter;you dont know your Lord.
No man knows the son but the Father, and no man knows the Father but the son, and *him to whom the son will reveal him*.
It seems that you are one of them that has not been given the revelation.Stop being stubborn;and repent,time is so short,very,very,short.
You have no knowledge of the prophesies,the bible is 75%
prophecy.Please listen,there is no place for pride,be humble.This is a matter of life with God for ever, or death.
God has provided us the bible to seek and find,he made sure there is a book for us to seek,and it is not the ub.wakeup.
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