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  • #9117
    NickHassan
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    Quote (Eliyah @ Oct. 02 2005,00:17)
    It says,

    “” they will speak with NEW tongues or languages””, NOT with un-known tongues of gibberish.


    Hi eliyah,
    Paul said there various kinds of tongues[1Cor 12.28],he spoke of tongues of angels and men.[1Cor 13.1]He spoke of strange tongues[1Cor 14.21]. He said tongues were for our edification[1Cor14.3] but said in 1 Cor 14 2f
    ” For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God”
    and “no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries”
    and so he said
    ” let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret” in 1 Cor 14.13.

    If tongues were always known and only to be spoken where they are understood why should there be a gift of interpreting of tongues?

    He also said
    ” Now I wish you all spoke in tongues”
    Do you agree with him?

    #9119
    Eliyah
    Participant

    Nick, I coverd that last night, and so did ONESPIRIT, and i'm not going back through all your Pentecostalism of unknown gibberish again either.

    There is no such statement as “” Baptized with the holy ghost, and with the EVIDENCE of speaking in unknown tongues.””

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    If tongues were always known and only to be spoken where they are understood why should there be a gift of interpreting of tongues?

    That's just the point, in Pentecostalism, there is no one interpreting, for there is never anyone who understands, and not even those who pretend to speak in unknown gibberish either.

    Jimmy Swaggart the Massues fundling man loved that term above, as the evidence, as he claimed.

    Show me that statement in the scriptures?

    #9120
    Eliyah
    Participant

    That's just the point, in Pentecostalism, there is no one interpreting, for there is never anyone who understands, and not even those who pretend to speak in unknown gibberish either.

    Do you? Then let us see your languages on here?

    #9121
    Eliyah
    Participant

    However, your forgetting that Paul said COVET TO PROPHESY( 1 Cor.14:39), he never said that it was the evidence of the spirit either, as you said earlier.

    #9129
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi elijah,
    So you are familiar with prophecy. Would you like to share?

    #9144
    david
    Participant

    “My dear friends, do not believe all who claim to have the Spirit, but test them to find out if the spirit they have comes from God.”—1 John 4:1, Today’s English Version.

    “Beloved ones . . . test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God.” (Acts 17:11; See also 1 Thes 5:20,21)

    Even in the first century, the apostle Paul was compelled to write the congregation in Corinth to correct their view of why the gift of tongues was given to early Christians. Seemingly, some had become fascinated with the gift of tongues, and they were acting like little children, spiritually immature. Too much importance was being attached to “tongues.” (1 Corinthians 14:1-39) Paul emphasized that not all Christians in the first century spoke in miraculous tongues. It was not necessary to their salvation. Even back then when it existed, the gift of tongues was secondary to miraculous prophesying. Speaking in tongues was not, and is not, a requirement for Christians to gain everlasting life.—1 Corinthians 12:29, 30; 14:4, 5.
    Among those ‘speaking in tongues’ today are Pentecostals and Baptists, also Roman Catholics, Episcopalians, Methodists, Lutherans, and Presbyterians, and a few others such as Nick.

    SOME QUESTIONS TO PONDER for people who like to ponder:

    In the first century, the miraculous gifts of the spirit, including the ability to “speak in tongues,” verified that God’s favor had shifted from the 1500 year old Jewish system of worship to the newly established Christian congregation. Is that not what Hebrews 2:2-4 says? Since that objective was accomplished in the first century, is it necessary to prove the same thing again and again in our day?

    In the first century, the ability to “speak in tongues” gave impetus to the international work of witnessing that Jesus had commissioned his followers to do. (Acts 1:8; 2:1-11; Matt. 28:19) It was a practical means to spread the good news on an international scale in a short time, contributing to the numerical growth and upbuilding of the infant congregation of Christians. Is that how those who “speak in tongues” use that ability today?

    In the first century, when Christians ‘spoke in tongues,’ what they said had meaning to people who knew those languages. (Acts 2:4, 8) Today, is it not true that ‘speaking in tongues’ usually involves an ecstatic outburst of unintelligible sounds?

    In the first century, the Bible shows, congregations were to limit the ‘speaking in tongues’ to two or three persons who might do that at any given meeting; they were to do it “each in turn,” and if there was no interpreter present they were to keep silent. (1 Cor. 14:27, 28, RS) Is that what is being done today?

    THESE QUESTIONS DESERVE MORE THAN A CURSORY ANSWER. Why? Because we want our worship to have God’s approval and blessing. We must make sure we are not deceiving ourselves or being deceived. We must therefore put what the Bible says ahead of our personal experience, as hard as that is to do.

    ARE TRUE CHRISTIANS TODAY IDENTIFIED BY THE ABILITY TO “SPEAK IN TONGUES?”
    John 13:35: “By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.”
    Love is the primary fruitage of God’s holy spirit; the others are “joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control.” (I’ve wondered how self-controlled a person is when they are knocked off their chairs and shout in different tongues. And I wonder who is controlling them? Sometimes, it looks more like they’re almost being attacked to me. Is that God’s spirit in action?)

    1 Cor. 13:1, 8: “If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels but do not have love, I have become a sounding piece of brass or a clashing cymbal. Love never fails. But whether there are gifts of prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are tongues, they will cease.”

    JESUS SAID THAT HOLY SPIRIT WOULD COME UPON HIS FOLLOWERS and that they would be witnesses of him to the MOST DISTANT PART OF THE EARTH. (Read Acts 1:8) He instructed them to “make disciples of people of all the nations.” (Matt. 28:19) He also foretold that ‘this good news of the kingdom would be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all nations.’ (Matt. 24:14) In harmony with what Jesus said, should we not look for this as an evidence that a group has holy spirit?

    DOES NOT Mark 16:17, 18 (KJ) SHOW THAT THE ABILITY TO “SPEAK WITH NEW TONGUES” WOULD BE A SIGN IDENTIFYING BELIEVERS?
    It should be noted that these verses refer not only to ‘speaking with new tongues’ but also to handling serpents and drinking deadly poison. Are all who “speak in tongues” also encouraging these practices?
    It should also be noted that these verses are not accepted by all Bible scholars.
    These verses appear in certain Bible manuscripts and versions of the fifth and sixth centuries C.E. But they do not appear in the older Greek manuscripts, the Sinaiticus and Vatican MS. 1209 of the fourth century. Dr. B. F. Westcott, an authority on Bible manuscripts, said that “the verses . . . are no part of the original narrative but an appendage.” (An Introduction to the Study of the Gospels, London, 1881, p. 338) Bible translator Jerome, in the fifth century, said that “almost all the Greek codices [are] without this passage.” (The Last Twelve Verses of the Gospel According to S. Mark, London, 1871, J. W. Burgon, p. 53) The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967) says: “Its vocabulary and style differ so radically from the rest of the Gospel that it hardly seems possible Mark himself composed it [that is, verses 9-20].” (Vol. IX, p. 240) Tregelles, a noted nineteenth-century Bible scholar, states: “Eusebius, Gregory of Nyssa, Victor of Antioch, Severus of Antioch, Jerome, as well as other writers, especially Greeks, testify that these verses were not written by St. Mark, or not found in the best copies.”
    There is no record that early Christians either drank poison or handled serpents to prove they were believers.
    But even if these words were part of Mark’s inspired writings (although the bulk of evidence shows they are not) there is nothing in them contrary to the Scriptural evidence that tongues would pass away following the death of the apostles. (See below.)

    CAN THE ABILITY TO “SPEAK IN TONGUES” COME FROM A SOURCE OTHER THAN THE TRUE GOD?
    Of course. But we all know this, so let’s be brief:
    The Bible itself warns that Satan and his demons are able to influence people and control their speech. (Acts 16:17, 18) Jesus acted against a demonic spirit that had moved a man to shout and fall to the floor. (Luke 4:33-35) Paul warned that ‘Satan would transform himself into an angel of light.’ (2 Corinthians 11:14) We are warned that Satan would use “every powerful work and lying signs and portents.”—2 Thessalonians 2:9, 10. (See also 1 John 4:1; Mat 7:21-23)
    Did you know that speaking in tongues was a part of certain pagan religions of Greece in Paul’s day? Their rites mixed speaking in tongues with practices such as the cutting of the flesh and frenzied nude dancing. Such historical examples clearly show that speaking in tongues can occur under influences that are most unholy.
    A joint statement by the Fountain Trust and the Church of England Evangelical Council admitted: “We are also aware that a similar phenomenon can occur under occult/demonic influence.” (Gospel and Spirit, April 1977, published by the Fountain Trust and the Church of England Evangelical Council, p. 12) The book Religious Movements in Contemporary America (edited by Irving I. Zaretsky and Mark P. Leone, quoting L. P. Gerlach) reports that in Haiti ‘speaking in tongues’ is characteristic of both Pentecostal and Voodoo religions.—(Princeton, N.J.; 1974), p. 693; see also 2 Thessalonians 2:9, 10.

    IF THE SPEAKING IN TONGUES THAT WE SEE TODAY WAS FROM GOD, WOULDN’T IT BE VERY SIMILAR IN APPEARANCE AND PU
    RPOSE TO THE SPEAKING IN TONGUES THAT WAS SEEN IN THE FIRST CENTURY?

    NICK writes on Oct 1, “It seems very common to deny the power of God among God's people. . . .God has not changed or changed His mind about His blessings given to help man.”
    Then why is the speaking in tongues of today so different in purpose and appearance? God does not change. But speaking in tongues has changed. What does this tell us? (Mat 7:22,23)

    WHY THE GIFT OF TONGUES?
    First of all, the apostle Paul explains at Hebrews 2:2-4 that the miraculous gifts, which would include the gift of tongues, were given to the first-century Christians to verify that God’s favor had shifted from the old Jewish arrangement for worship to the newly established Christian congregation. The shift of divine favor was well established by the latter part of the first century, while some of the apostles of Jesus Christ were yet alive.
    That the gift of tongues also served another purpose can be seen from Jesus’ words to his disciples shortly before his ascension to heaven in 33 C.E.
    He said:
    “You will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon you, and you will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and . . . to the most distant part of the earth.” (Acts 1:8)
    Notice that he thus gave indication of just how this monumental witness work would be accomplished—with the assistance of the holy spirit.
    When Jesus said the words quoted above in Acts 1:8, the small group of disciples did not include persons who spoke the languages of every part of the earth. But, true to Jesus’ promise, about 10 days later, on the festival day of Pentecost, the holy spirit was poured out on about 120 of his disciples gathered in an upper room in Jerusalem. The result? They “started to speak with different tongues” and so could proceed immediately to carry out the assigned work of witnessing.—Acts 2:1-4.
    Modern communication technology that enables us to send messages earth wide in many languages did not exist back then. The good news had to be spread primarily by word of mouth, and in this the miraculous gift of speaking in foreign tongues would prove very helpful. Such was the case as first-century Christians preached to Jews and proselytes in Jerusalem at Pentecost 33 C.E. Parthians, Medes, Elamites, Cretans, Arabians, inhabitants of Mesopotamia, Judea, Cappadocia, Pontus, and the district of Asia, as well as sojourners from Rome, heard “the magnificent things of God” in their own language and understood what was said. Three thousand quickly became believers.—Acts 2:5-11, 41

    Why The Gibberish?
    When those disciples gave a witness in Jerusalem at the festival of Pentecost, Jews and proselytes who had come from faraway places for the festival were heard to say:
    “How is it we are hearing, each one of us, his own language in which we were born? . . . we hear them speaking in our tongues about the magnificent things of God.” (Acts 2:8-11)
    It is obvious that the tongues mentioned here were known languages, not unintelligible speech. And notice that the gift was used in harmony with the purpose for which Jesus said the spirit would be given, namely, to witness to others. It notably served that purpose, for “on that day about three thousand souls were added.”—Acts 2:41.
    In the first-century, stress was laid on the need to interpret clearly the message conveyed in tongues so that it could be understood by all and result in the edification of many. (1 Corinthians 14:26-33) Paul admonished: “Unless you through the tongue utter speech easily understood, how will it be known what is being spoken? You will, in fact, be speaking into the air.”—1 Corinthians 14:9.
    While the spirit of God granted early Christians the gift of tongues, it did not cause them to speak unintelligible or untranslatable gibberish. In harmony with Paul’s counsel, the holy spirit provided speech that resulted in the good news being more quickly “preached in all creation that is under heaven.”—Colossians 1:23.
    As in the first century, all creation must hear the message of the Kingdom. (Mk 13:10) This is possible because the Bible has now been translated, in whole or in part, into almost 2,000 LANGUAGES. The same spirit that infused early Christians to speak boldly and courageously is now supporting this wondrous preaching work today. By word of mouth and by using modern printing technology to make available Scriptural truth by the printed page this message is going out to over 230 countries and islands of the sea.

    Again, Reasons for speaking in tongues:
    1. In the infancy of the Christian congregation this gift assisted the limited number of disciples to instruct foreigners about “the magnificent things of God.” (Acts 2:5-11)
    2. The gift of tongues served as a visible evidence of God’s favor upon this new Christian organization. (1 Cor. 14:22)

    “WHETHER THERE ARE TONGUES, THEY WILL CEASE”–WHEN?
    In Corinthians 13, Paul goes on to show them the lowly position of tongues as compared with more important matters, especially the “surpassing way” of love. Even those blessed with the gift of tongues “become a sounding piece of brass or a clashing cymbal” if they do not exercise love, he explained. (1 Cor. 12:31; 13:1) And to emphasize the importance and permanence of love as compared to the miraculous gifts of the spirit, he wrote: “Love never fails. But whether there are gifts of prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will be done away with.”—1 Cor. 13:8.
    On the basis of Paul’s words here, there should be no question that the miraculous gifts of the spirit were to pass away. But when? It is argued by some that, since Paul said that ‘tongues are a sign to the unbelievers,’ they would not pass away until unbelievers passed away, that is, until there were no longer any unbelievers. (1 Cor. 14:22) But is that the point Paul is making in this thirteenth chapter? No, it is not. In this chapter he does not associate the cessation of tongues with unbelievers, but, rather, he is comparing the temporariness of the gifts of the spirit with the permanence of love; and he links the transitoriness of these gifts, not with unbelievers, but with the infancy of Christianity.
    So after declaring, in verse 8, that the miraculous gifts of prophesying, tongues and knowledge are to be done away with, Paul shows that they were a feature of the babyhood of the Christian congregation. These special gifts of God were an identifying feature of Christianity in its infancy, but, as an adult does away with the traits of a babe, so the Bible shows that these special gifts, too, were to pass away. (1 Cor. 13:8-11)
    In its infancy such miraculous gifts were needed to identify in a spectacular way that God’s favor had shifted from the Jewish nation and was now upon this new congregation of Christians. But, as Paul explained, when a man reaches adulthood he does away with “the traits of a babe.” So when the Christian congregation grew to adulthood, that is, reached maturity by becoming a recognized, established organization, these miraculous gifts passed away. Yet faith, hope and love remained as the distinguishing mark of true Christianity.—1 Cor. 13:9-13.
    Regarding the transitoriness of the miraculous gifts M’Clintock and Strong’s Cyclopædia, Volume 10, page 484, says: “It thus appears that the miraculous gifts of the first days bestowed upon the Church for a definite purpose were gradually but quickly withdrawn from men when the apostles and those who had learned Christ from their lips had fallen asleep.”

    “THE SPIRIT WAS GIVEN”–How? And what does this tell us?
    Acts 8:18 reveals that the gifts of the spirit were received “through the laying on of the hands of the APOSTLES.”
    The Bible record reveals that when any miraculous gift of the spirit was transmitted, at least one of the 12 apostles or the apostle Paul was present. Read for yourself the reported cases when the gift of t
    ongues accompanied the outpouring of holy spirit: Acts 2:1-4, 14; 10:44-48; 19:6. You will notice that in every case one or more of the apostles of Jesus Christ were present. The first of three recorded instances of speaking in tongues occurred among 120 of Jesus’ disciples gathered in Jerusalem at Pentecost 33 C.E. (Acts 2:1-4) Three and a half years later, while a group of uncircumcised Italians were listening to Peter preach, they received the spirit and began “speaking with tongues and magnifying God.” (Acts 10:44-48) And 19 years after Pentecost, about 52 C.E., Paul spoke to a group in Ephesus and laid his hands upon 12 disciples. They too “began speaking with tongues and prophesying.”—Acts 19:6.
    Evidently, then, in accord with Acts 8:18, with the death of the last apostle, the passing on of the gifts of the spirit would stop—including speaking in tongues. Hence, when those who had received these gifts from the apostles also passed off the earthly scene, the miraculous gift would cease. By then the Christian congregation would have had time to become well established and would have spread to many lands. The gift of tongues had served its purpose. It had been well established that the Christian congregation had God’s favor and backing. Moreover, Christians had grown in number and had been dispersed to many lands, carrying the “good news” with them. ( Compare Col 1:23) Such a view agrees with the purpose of those gifts as stated at Hebrews 2:2-4.

    TODAY WE HAVE THE BIBLE
    Some claim that God uses this gift when he wants to give a direct message to the people. But what message from God do we need today that Jesus Christ and the apostles did not supply for us? (2 Tim 3:16,17) The apostle Paul cautioned:: “Even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond [“at variance with,” The New English Bible] what we declared to you as good news, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8) Now, if an apostle or an angel should not go beyond the good news recorded in the Bible, is a charismatic personality today authorized to do so?
    Now that the Bible is complete and widely available, we have what we need in the Word of God. It allows us to gain an accurate knowledge of Jehovah and his Son that leads to everlasting life.—John 17:3; Revelation 22:18, 19.

    NICK MENTIONED THIS SCRIPTURE: 1 CORINTHIANS 14:2
    Let’s look at it closely. There, Paul said: “For he that speaks in a tongue speaks, not to men, but to God.”
    First of all, it should be noted that Paul is not here discussing private prayer but, rather, the use of the gift of tongues at a congregational meeting. (See 1 Corinthians 14:23.) Moreover, Paul’s words are in complete harmony with both the purpose for which the gift of tongues was given and the description of the gift given in the book of Acts. If you read the entire 14th chapter of 1 Corinthians, you will notice that
    (1) the tongues referred to were known languages, not unintelligible speech, and
    (2) the gift was to be used, not privately, but for the benefit of unbelievers.
    Let us read verse 2 in its entirety. It states:
    “FOR HE THAT SPEAKS IN A TONGUE SPEAKS, NOT TO MEN, BUT TO GOD, FOR NO ONE LISTENS, BUT HE SPEAKS SACRED SECRETS BY THE SPIRIT.”
    The Greek word translated “tongue,” glōossa, is the same word as that used at Acts 2:4, 11, where it obviously has reference to known languages. The Greek word translated “listens” can denote hearing something without understanding what is stated. This can be better understood in the light of verses 13, 16 and 17 of 1 Corinthians, chapter 14, where we read:
    “Therefore let the one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may translate. Otherwise, if you offer praise with a gift of the spirit, how will the man occupying the seat of the ordinary person [or, unbeliever; see verses 22-25.] say ‘Amen’ to your giving of thanks, since he does not know what you are saying? True, you give thanks in a fine way, but the other man is not being built up.”
    SIMPLY PUT, THE ONE SPEAKING IN A TONGUE SPEAKS TO GOD RATHER THAN TO MEN IF THE MEN WHO ARE LISTENING DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT HE IS SAYING. Paul had in mind not unintelligible speech but foreign languages that potentially COULD BE UNDERSTOOD BY OTHERS. But if, in fact, none of those present could understand the language and if there were no interpreters present, then the one who spoke the tongue should pray that he might translate it and thus build up others, especially the unbelievers. If there was no one to translate, then, as the scripture says, it would be better for him to keep silent.—1 Cor. 14:28.

    IS ‘SPEAKING IN TONGUES’ TO CONTINUE UNTIL THAT WHICH IS “PERFECT” COMES?
    At 1 Corinthians 13:8 reference is made to several miraculous gifts—prophecy, tongues, and knowledge. Verse 9 again refers to two of these gifts—knowledge and prophecy—saying: “For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.” (KJ) Or, as RS reads: “For our knowledge is imperfect and our prophecy is imperfect.” Then verse 10 states: “But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.” (KJ) The word “perfect” is translated from the Greek téleion, which conveys the thought of being full grown, complete, or perfect. Ro, By, and NW here render it “complete.” Notice that it is not the gift of tongues that is said to be “imperfect,” “in part,” or partial. That is said of “prophecy” and “knowledge.” In other words, even with those miraculous gifts, the early Christians had only an imperfect or partial understanding of God’s purpose. But when the prophecies would come to fulfillment, when God’s purpose would be accomplished, then “that which is perfect,” or complete, would come. So, this is obviously not discussing how long the ‘gift of tongues’ would continue.

    I've been gone for a while. I was just watching some show that had people who drank strychnine and handled serpents and spoke in tongues. It reminded me that such people exist.
    I realize this is a long post and won't be read by some.

    david.

    #9147
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi david,
    So somewhere in the bible it must say that after the first century these gifts of the Spirit will be withdrawn. Otherwise you are using your own observations as equivalent to the teaching of Jesus and Paul.

    #9149
    david
    Participant

    Hey Nick,
    Which part of my post are you asking me about? If you like, I could direct you to the area where that question is discussed.

    Of course you haven't read my post yet. What I'm wondering, is, will you ever read any of it?

    I own 7 or 8 books on speed reading. None of them have helped me that much. If you have any reference works that are actually useful for reading that fast, I would actually appreciate you sharing.

    dave

    #9151
    david
    Participant

    Nick,
    I'm not jumping on the bandwagon with Eliyah and his wife. If you can read that fast, I really want to know how. The first 6 books I read, all said the exact same things. The last book said all the other books were wrong, and to use another approach.
    Eliyah, memory guy, I'm also wondering if you use peg systems and mnemonic alphabet, etc or if you've studied any of that. I've been trying to develop my memory as well.

    dave

    #9155
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi david,
    Do you rely on your teachers and your experience and your understanding to grasp the things of God? Have you asked God yet for the Spirit[and the gifts] as we are urged to do?

    God will surprise you as He longs to give all His blessings to His children.

    #9157
    Eliyah
    Participant

    David,

    I don't even know what your talking about, but my Wife and I have not said anything to you, and what did my Wife and I say about the post above ?

    #9159
    david
    Participant

    Eliyah,
    Nothing to me or about the post above. I'm referring to you and her )the once) commenting on how fast Nick responds to posts.

    #9160
    david
    Participant

    Nick, I rely on the Bible and my ability to read it. Nick, have you asked God for wisdom and understanding? Have you asked him to help you find the truth of the scriptures?

    Nick, I'm not saying you're wrong, but where are we urged to ask God for the gifts of the spirit? What are you referring to?

    #9161
    david
    Participant

    Oh, and if you were wondering what the mnemonic alphabet is, if that was part of your question (since you're so interested in languages) it's not really an alphabet. It's a way to subsitute numbers with sounds or letters. 1 = t, th, or d, 2 = n, 3 = m, etc. Starting with this simple alphabet, you can remember virtually anything. But, if you've got your “photgraphic memory,” that works too.

    #9162
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (david @ Oct. 02 2005,06:35)
    Nick, I rely on the Bible and my ability to read it.  Nick, have you asked God for wisdom and understanding?  Have you asked him to help you find the truth of the scriptures?

    Nick, I'm not saying you're wrong, but where are we urged to ask God for the gifts of the spirit?  What are you referring to?


    Hi david,
    You don't have to try to prove me wrong. It is much easier to prove me right by following the advice of Jesus and asking the Father for the Spirit.

    God's wisdom is proven by obedience to it.

    Then we can get past intellectual theory and both enjoy sharing the wonderful blessing hand of God.

    #9163
    Eliyah
    Participant

    Was that an insult David ? I don't rely on mimic tricks to remember things.

    Its just that I find it strange that Nick can read a post and look up all those scriptures that I give in 4 to 10 seconds ?

    Well, even I can't do that in such time.

    #9164
    david
    Participant

    No, it wasn't an insult at all. I was just wondering if you did look into any memory systems, since you seem well versed and said you had a good memory. No insult. None.
    Yes, I know Nick is a very very very fast reader. That's what I was commenting on originally.

    #9166
    Eliyah
    Participant

    Nick is not that fast of a reader to look up all those scriptural texts when they are given, not in 4 seconds flat.

    The truth of the matter, he does not even look up the scriptures in anyone's posts, he just posts on impulse.

    #9167
    david
    Participant

    Eliyah,
    Are you saying Nick didn't look up the 40 or more scriptures that were in my post about speaking in tongues and then respond a few minutes later?
    Yes, I know. I tried to make the word NICK in capital letters so he'd see it and perhaps read those parts.
    It was more so intended for others who read it.

    Nick wrote above: “You don't have to try to prove me wrong.”
    You're right, I don't have to try.
    What I said was: “I'm not saying you're wrong,” quite different from me trying to prove you wrong.
    You're quote about me not having to prove you're wrong was wrong. But, we're getting off topic.

    Nick wrote:
    “Then we can get past intellectual theory and both enjoy sharing the wonderful blessing hand of God.”
    I can only assume by “intellectual theory,” you mean the Bible. That is after all what I was discussing in my post of 40 scriptures.

    I really would feel better about this if I thought you attempted to read my post.

    david.

    #9168
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi david,
    The bible is a Spiritual book. It is written by the Spirit of God through men. It is possible to read it and love it and gain an understanding of it just as you might with any other book.

    But we are designed to be filled with the Spirit of God just as the Son of God was. Then we can fully appreciate all the beauty of the Word.

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