The gift of tongues

[david]

Quote (terraricca @ July 09 2011,18:58)

Quote (david @ July 10 2011,00:57) Quote (terraricca @ July 09 2011,03:03) Quote (david @ July 09 2011,01:05) Quote Pierre, If it were as you say, it would be called the gift of ears, not tongues I agree.  And to make this fit, you have to say that the speaking in tongues of 1 cor 14:27,28 is some sort of completely different thing than acts 2.  Yet, both are referring to speaking in a tongue. David you do not answer the questions but read this; 8Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? compere now with 1cor14 Pierre Imagine a group of 5 people who speak 5 different languages: ABCD and E. And, you have the Christians, who now have the gift of tongues.    To make it simple, let's say there are 5 Christians. (1234 and 5 And even though all 5 Christians speak their own same native language, ah, look, each one is speaking a different langauge, languages ABCD and E.  Why those languages?  Because those are the ones that are near by and can listen to them. 1 speaks A 2 speaks B 3 speaks C etc. Would not one of the 5 non Christians want to ask: “how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language?” I really don't see any contradiction when we look at things this way. When we look at things your way, we have to forget about the scripture that speaks of the interpretors.  We have to throw that scripture away for your understanding to make sense.  Do we not?  Or, as you do, we have to say that that was something different somehow. David it is a good try but not in scriptures left to many things out, Ac 2:4 All (12)of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. so if i understand what going on is that the apostles where speaking in other tongues but were not talking to the people but the people who were listening to them understood in their native tongues right ? i think this clarifies that Pierre

So, they were not speaking to people, yet, there were people listening to them.

It makes little sense to have the gift of speaking in another language if you only speak to yourself or to the air. If people were listening to them, why can you not believe that they were speaking to people?

[terraricca]

Quote (david @ July 10 2011,16:02)

Quote (terraricca @ July 09 2011,18:58) Quote (david @ July 10 2011,00:57) Quote (terraricca @ July 09 2011,03:03) Quote (david @ July 09 2011,01:05) Quote Pierre, If it were as you say, it would be called the gift of ears, not tongues I agree.  And to make this fit, you have to say that the speaking in tongues of 1 cor 14:27,28 is some sort of completely different thing than acts 2.  Yet, both are referring to speaking in a tongue. David you do not answer the questions but read this; 8Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? compere now with 1cor14 Pierre Imagine a group of 5 people who speak 5 different languages: ABCD and E. And, you have the Christians, who now have the gift of tongues.    To make it simple, let's say there are 5 Christians. (1234 and 5 And even though all 5 Christians speak their own same native language, ah, look, each one is speaking a different langauge, languages ABCD and E.  Why those languages?  Because those are the ones that are near by and can listen to them. 1 speaks A 2 speaks B 3 speaks C etc. Would not one of the 5 non Christians want to ask: “how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language?” I really don't see any contradiction when we look at things this way. When we look at things your way, we have to forget about the scripture that speaks of the interpretors.  We have to throw that scripture away for your understanding to make sense.  Do we not?  Or, as you do, we have to say that that was something different somehow. David it is a good try but not in scriptures left to many things out, Ac 2:4 All (12)of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. so if i understand what going on is that the apostles where speaking in other tongues but were not talking to the people but the people who were listening to them understood in their native tongues right ? i think this clarifies that Pierre So, they were not speaking to people, yet, there were people listening to them. It makes little sense to have the gift of speaking in another language if you only speak to yourself or to the air.  If people were listening to them, why can you not believe that they were speaking to people?

David

they did not spook to people in a direct way just like we do now ,

the message was more important,

you try to make me believe that the 3000 people there versus the apostles or even the 120 possibilities are speaking to individuals how that could be ? almost 3 to one

how?

Pierre

[david]

Perhaps you should quote the actual scripture and explain how it must be understood your way.

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ July 08 2011,18:05)

Quote Pierre, If it were as you say, it would be called the gift of ears, not tongues I agree.  And to make this fit, you have to say that the speaking in tongues of 1 cor 14:27,28 is some sort of completely different thing than acts 2.  Yet, both are referring to speaking in a tongue.

Hi David,

The Disciples, who spoke in tongues, traveled to different regions of the earth
after “Pentecost”; What would make people think it was a one day deal?
Tongues means language, not temporary gibberish type babblings!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים=117  (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org   …(Eccl.9:12-16)

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ July 09 2011,03:08)

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2011,00:52) Quote (terraricca @ July 08 2011,17:01) Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2011,23:28) Quote (terraricca @ July 08 2011,00:56) Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2011,23:37) Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2011,07:27) all are the gift of tongues still here today?? Pierre Hi Pierre, When that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. (1Cor.13:10) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj what is ;When that which is perfect is come;? Pierre Hi Pierre, I'm use to you asking questions that 'you think' you know the answers to. You mean you “REALLY” don't know? God bless eD j (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj yes i know what it means but in relation of the discussion on the tongues this i do not understand the connection you make Pierre Hi Pierre, When that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. (1Cor.13:10) Tongues are, that which is done in part, being done away with when that which is perfect has come. God bless eD j (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj now another question ;when;being done away with when that which is   perfect has come.and so when was that ? Pierre

Hi Pierre,

Glad you asked! You need to understand the significance of the three MAIN feasts of “The LORD JEHOVAH”.
“Pentecost” started the “Former rain” and “Feast of Booths” begins “The Latter Rain”.
The “HolySpirit” was first poured out at “Pentecost”, and non-believers
realizing the “HolySpirit” is ruling is “The Latter Rain”.

When Jer.31:34 is fulfilled, tongues will be done away with.
Please let me know if you understand; OK? And feel free to
ask more questions if you are still confused concerning this.

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GOD(26) → The Bible(63) → AKJV Bible(74) → The LORD JEHOVAH(151)

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        HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
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Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
                is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
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            “The Passover“=148
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Jesus=74 + cross=74 = (פסח=148) “The Passover”=148

               “Pentecost“=117      
              “Former Rain”=117
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             “The Latter Rain”=151
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           “Jesus is Lord”=151, because
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are the gift of tongues still here today??

       Do you still need an interpreter to talk to someone from other countries?

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים=117  (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org   …(Eccl.9:12-16)

[Ed J]

Quote (thehappyman @ July 09 2011,09:55)

Quote (terraricca @ July 09 2011,09:08) edj now another question ;when;being done away with when that which is   perfect has come.and so when was that ? Pierre Yeah , I would like to know that too. ?

Hi Happyman,

I just answered that, see my previous post to Pierre.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

edj

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Hi Pierre, Glad you asked! You need to understand the significance of the three MAIN feasts of “The LORD JEHOVAH”. “Pentecost” started the “Former rain” and “Feast of Booths” begins “The Latter Rain”. The “HolySpirit” was first poured out at “Pentecost”, and non-believers realizing the “HolySpirit” is ruling is “The Latter Rain”.

it does not mean anything ,and i will not take your word for ,

so your comment was for the birds

Pierre

[terraricca]

David

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So, they were not speaking to people, yet, there were people listening to them. It makes little sense to have the gift of speaking in another language if you only speak to yourself or to the air.  If people were listening to them, why can you not believe that they were speaking to people?

i make it simple when you go at your conventions there is 3000 people there (so to speak) many talk between each other ,wen the meeting start someone goes to the micro and call people to be quite and sit;

to me this is the way ; many people are near by where the disciples are located i would say about 120(disciples) now with the coming of the holy spirit comes ;Ac 2:2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and;this to me is like the call from the micro,Ac 2:4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them;;;;;.by this time the disciples must have gotten outside and meet the people who where attracted by the strange noise they heard and at that point they all listening to what was said and say ;Ac 2:7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans?
Ac 2:8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? ;;;;;;;;;;so the disciples where talking to the crowd, about what ?;;;Ac 2:4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.;;;;;;;;;;;;so they where speaking about Gods will what was done and according to what the will of God told them,so they became the instrument of God for that moment and it was the will of God who decided what language each of them would speak,now Peter took the lead ;;Ac 2:14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say.
Ac 2:15 These men are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! ;;;now he addresses the crowd the way your speaker would do it and all listen.

there this is the way i see it ,what you think?

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2011,14:30)

edj Quote Hi Pierre, Glad you asked! You need to understand the significance of the three MAIN feasts of “The LORD JEHOVAH”. “Pentecost” started the “Former rain” and “Feast of Booths” begins “The Latter Rain”. The “HolySpirit” was first poured out at “Pentecost”, and non-believers realizing the “HolySpirit” is ruling is “The Latter Rain”. it does not mean anything ,and i will not take your word for , so your comment was for the birds Pierre

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Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse,
which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

“

[barley]

Speaking in tongues is not a gift, it is a manifestation.

I Corinthians 12:7-11

7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

It is a manifestation, not a gift.

barley

[terraricca]

Quote (barley @ July 12 2011,17:17)

Speaking in tongues is not a gift, it is a manifestation. I Corinthians 12:7-11 7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. It is a manifestation, not a gift. barley

Barley

good point but you forgot ;1Co 12:4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit.

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ July 10 2011,11:26)

Quote (david @ July 08 2011,18:05) Quote Pierre, If it were as you say, it would be called the gift of ears, not tongues I agree.  And to make this fit, you have to say that the speaking in tongues of 1 cor 14:27,28 is some sort of completely different thing than acts 2.  Yet, both are referring to speaking in a tongue. Hi David, The Disciples, who spoke in tongues, traveled to different regions of the earth after “Pentecost”; What would make people think it was a one day deal? Tongues means language, not temporary gibberish type babblings! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים=117  (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org   …(Eccl.9:12-16)

Hi Ed. I have no idea why you are telling me this. What did I say that you actually disagreed with?

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ July 12 2011,17:04)

Quote (Ed J @ July 10 2011,11:26) Quote (david @ July 08 2011,18:05) Quote Pierre, If it were as you say, it would be called the gift of ears, not tongues I agree.  And to make this fit, you have to say that the speaking in tongues of 1 cor 14:27,28 is some sort of completely different thing than acts 2.  Yet, both are referring to speaking in a tongue. Hi David, The Disciples, who spoke in tongues, traveled to different regions of the earth after “Pentecost”; What would make people think it was a one day deal? Tongues means language, not temporary gibberish type babblings! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים=117  (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org   …(Eccl.9:12-16) Hi Ed.  I have no idea why you are telling me this.  What did I say that you actually disagreed with?

Hi David,

I'm not sure if we disagree?  …do you agree with my post?

God bless  
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[thehappyman]

Hi All :
          Tongues in the 1 Corth. 14 26 -33 + 37-40 Also in 13 chapter 1  states (Though I speak with the tongues of men AND of angels ….ect) … speaks of men's language and angical language. Which is an unknown tongue as the Holy Spirit gave them otterance. . I would fear God if I was to say that the Holy Spirit's utterances were not of Him. I cannot remove this chapter from His teaching and I am to reverance Him as part of leadership of this body of Christ, for He is my Comforter. Interpretating the unknown tongue is a gift and it is a sign to those who do not believe. Yet Chapter 14 is very plain as to how tongues are to be used……  
God Bless    

[NickHassan]

topical

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ July 12 2011,17:04)

Quote (Ed J @ July 10 2011,11:26) Quote (david @ July 08 2011,18:05) Quote Pierre, If it were as you say, it would be called the gift of ears, not tongues I agree.  And to make this fit, you have to say that the speaking in tongues of 1 cor 14:27,28 is some sort of completely different thing than acts 2.  Yet, both are referring to speaking in a tongue. Hi David, The Disciples, who spoke in tongues, traveled to different regions of the earth after “Pentecost”; What would make people think it was a one day deal? Tongues means language, not temporary gibberish type babblings! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים=117  (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org   …(Eccl.9:12-16) Hi Ed.  I have no idea why you are telling me this.  What did I say that you actually disagreed with?

Hi David,

My postings are of agreement and clarification besides
disagreement and correction. Do you only expect the latter?

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
But numerology is not scriptural proof.
Scripture proves scripture.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
MB would like to know where gifts are KEPT.

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