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Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 10 2007,19:23) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 10 2007,18:41) When I first got saved shortly after the Lord called me to preach on the streets.
Matthew 22:9
Go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.Street ministry is the BEST! WJ, you and I have so much in common.
Jesus hung out with the sinner's – the tax collector's and drunks. Today, he would probably be down on 1st Ave. with the coke heads and meth user's. For the majority of Christians, it is a scary idea to put your life in danger and hit the streets with the gospel. I tend to believe that while we are all supposed to share the gospel, certain folks are called to this area of specific ministry (just my opinion).
All – If you have never been a part of a witnessing team that goes to inner city streets – I encourage you to assemble a group together and GO! Jesus will already be there…..
Amen! Not3Quote If you have never been a part of a witnessing team that goes to inner city streets – I encourage you to assemble a group together and GO!
Street witnessing is fun in that you get to choose who you want to talk to. Plus, there's often much more interesting people on streets then behind closed doors in houses.Quote Basically, Paul was rebuking against the use of tongues for the mere sake of a sign or for drawing attention to one's self. If the gift of tongues was supposed to be a sign of spirituality, Paul is saying these people were using it as a way to show their spiritual superiority. Thus, he tells them that tongues are of no use if there is no one in the congregation who the tongue is meant for. Look ahead to the verse about tongues being for unbelievers. So if someone speaks in a strange tongue that no one understands — but God does of course understand — it is of no benefit to anyone except for your own self. And I don't beleive that Paul is saying that that benefit to yourself is a good thing but is much like when Yeshua said that various people had their reward for practicing righteousness before others. That is, they had the reward of being seen, but there was no reward for them from God for it. well said.
To All,
There is only one type of speaking in tounges, a gift so that the “teacher” may speak in the language to the listener, that the listener will comprehend. It is a gift given to for the only purpose to build up the body of Messiah.Remember the Tower of Babel, Elohim confused the languages to prevent the pererted worship of men and creation. The mark of this sort of worship is it's fruit, and the fact that there is a transgression of the law, that does not lead to repentance, but to more sin.
Every time the word “tongues” is used in scripture it means language. Italian, Latin, Greek, Cherokee, English etc.
Before the tower of Babel was destroyed, all people spoke the same language.
Elohim destroyed the building of one world political/religous system. The gift of tounges, given expressly by Him, made it possible to speak to His chosen ones in their own languages. Our Creator always gives to His children a Way to hear Him.
Speaking in Babel, is exactly that. Moaning, babbeling, jibber-jabber, is “the other gospel.” It comes from SELF, the opposite of love. It is someone saying, look at me. how special I am.
There is only One who is to be admired, and He confused the tongues at Babel, and He makes it possible to communicate to His chosen each in their own tongue, to build up His body of true believers.
Anything else is no good!!!
Hi All:
I am glad that this topic came up because I needed some understanding which I believe that I now have.
The Apostle Paul says:
Quote 1 Co14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth F53 him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries In that he says, “he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, BUT UNTO GOD”, he is not talking about the event which took place on the day of Penatcost because:
Quote Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was F3 noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
Here God was speaking to mankind through those who received he Holy Ghost through their native tongue. Today this may not be necessary because each of us has a bible and those in foreign countries have the bible interpreted into their language. But if necessary, of course God can do this again. But this is not what is considered part of the spiritual gifts that are given to the church. These spiritual gifts will cease only when Jesus comes for the church.
But as for the gift of tongues, the Apostle Paul states that we should not speak in tongues in a congregation or even if we are giving thanks for a meal when there are others present because they will not understand what you are saying. But if there is an interpreter of the tongue that is spoken so that others can understand, then it is appropriate to speak in the tongue and others will be edified, but it must be done in an oderly fashion. He says,
Quote 1 Co.14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, F57 but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. And,
Quote 1Co.14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order. There is alot of abuse of this regulation relative to speaking in tongues in a congregaton today in some churches which need to be corrected. If the Apostle Paul says that the speaking in a tongue can controlled then obviously it can be. Some also misunderstand saying that if you do not have the gift of tongues you do not have the Holy Ghost and therefore you are not saved, but the following scripture indicates by implication states that not every one who is saved has the gift of tongues:
Quote 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities F46 of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? DO ALL SPEAK WITH TONGUES? do all interpret? 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. The following verses are a little difficult to understand:
Quote 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth. How can a the gift of tonges be a sign to an unbeliever unless God uses the tongue to get attention and then there is an interpreter so that they can understand that it is God speaking through the tongue. This is the way that I would have to understand this.
God Bless
94,
How can tongues be a sign to an unbeliever? You have you answer in Acts
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.
Act 2:5 Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven.
Act 2:6 And when this sound occurred, the crowd came together, and were bewildered because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language.
Act 2:7 They were amazed and astonished, saying, “Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans?
Act 2:8 “And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born?
Act 2:9 “Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
Act 2:10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,
Act 2:11 Cretans and Arabs–we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God.”
Act 2:12 And they all continued in amazement and great perplexity, saying to one another, “What does this mean?“Act 2:40 And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation!”
Act 2:41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls.That, my brother and friend, is the sign to unbelievers. Because of the tongues given to the Apostles on the day of Pentecost, people of many diverse languages were able to hear the Gospel and be saved.
LG&LP,
KevinQuote (kejonn @ Oct. 12 2007,02:43) 94, How can tongues be a sign to an unbeliever? You have you answer in Acts
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.
Act 2:5 Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven.
Act 2:6 And when this sound occurred, the crowd came together, and were bewildered because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language.
Act 2:7 They were amazed and astonished, saying, “Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans?
Act 2:8 “And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born?
Act 2:9 “Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
Act 2:10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,
Act 2:11 Cretans and Arabs–we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God.”
Act 2:12 And they all continued in amazement and great perplexity, saying to one another, “What does this mean?“Act 2:40 And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation!”
Act 2:41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls.That, my brother and friend, is the sign to unbelievers. Because of the tongues given to the Apostles on the day of Pentecost, people of many diverse languages were able to hear the Gospel and be saved.
LG&LP,
Kevin
kejonnTrue.
But again my brother that does not negate this…
1 Cor 14:
2 For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.
3 But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.
4 One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church.15 What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.
The above scriptures are unambiguous. They clearly show that Paul was talking about a language that was not meant to be understood by the mind.
- 1. Does not speak to men but to God
- 2. No one understands
- 3. In his Spirit he speaks mysterys
- 4. He edifies himself
- 5. He prays with the Spirit (Mysteries) and Prays with the mind (understanding)
- 6. He sings with the Spirit (Mysteries) and sings with the mind (understanding)
Those who have recieved the gift understand and have experienced the strength and Joy that comes in the use of the gift. For truly it does edify or build up.
The greek word for edifieth is, oikodomeō, which means;
1) to build a house, erect a building
a) to build (up from the foundation)
b) to restore by building, to rebuild, repair
Its the root word for, epoikodomeō, which means;
1) to build upon, build up
Found in Jude 1:20
But you, beloved, building (epoikodomeō) yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,
