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Hi to all!
Could somebody please help me understand these passages.
Gen 3: 6When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together
Why did Adam and Eve realized their nakedness ONLY after eating the fruit of the tree?
Why do they have to cover their nakedness?
9 Then the LORD God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?”
10 So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.”Why was Adam afraid of his nakedness to GOD?
Where did the feelings of “SHAME” and “AFRAID” came from? from the fruit?
Were these feelings NEW AND ONLY FELT AFTER THEIR EATING OF THE FRUIT?
thank you.
journey
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Hi journey
this psalm seems to reveal the curse from the garden over King David, confusied by voice of him that reproacheth, and the shame on his face covered him.
Psa 44:15 My confusion [is] continually before me, and the shame of my face hath covered me,
Psa 44:16 For the voice of him that reproacheth and blasphemeth; by reason of the enemy and avenger.
Psa 44:17 All this is come upon us; yet have we not forgotten thee, neither have we dealt falsely in thy covenant.
Psa 44:18 Our heart is not turned back, neither have our steps declined from thy way;
Psa 44:19 Though thou hast sore broken us in the place of dragons, and covered us with the shadow of death.
Psa 44:20 If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god;
Psa 44:21 Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.
Psa 44:22 Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter.
Psa 44:23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast [us] not off for ever.
Psa 44:24 Wherefore hidest thou thy face, [and] forgettest our affliction and our oppression?
Psa 44:25 For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth.
Psa 44:26 Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake.
Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
God called them Adam?
She ate for Him?
God has set apart Him that is Godly for himself? Help meet
Psa 4:2 O ye sons of men, how long [will ye turn] my glory into shame? [how long] will ye love vanity, [and] seek after leasing? Selah.
Psa 4:3 But know that the LORD hath set apart him that is godly “for himself”: the LORD will hear when I call unto him.
Psa 4:4 Stand in awe, and sin not: commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still. Selah.
Psa 4:5 Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, and put your trust in the LORD.
Psa 4:6 [There be] many that say, Who will shew us [any] good? LORD, lift thou up the light of thy countenance upon us.
Psa 4:7 Thou hast put gladness in my heart, more than in the time [that] their corn and their wine increased.
Psa 4:8 I will both lay me down in peace, and sleep: for thou, LORD, only makest me dwell in safety.Just some thoughts?
The serpent spoiled Adams soul to destruction? seed of copulation gaining himself a part in creation..his own seed…. Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
The seed of the serpent, they did tear [me], and ceased not:Psa 35:11 False witnesses did rise up; they laid to my charge [things] that I knew not.
Psa 35:12 They rewarded me evil for good [to] the spoiling of my soul.
Psa 35:13 But as for me, when they were sick, my clothing [was] sackcloth: I humbled my soul with fasting; and my prayer returned into mine own bosom.
Psa 35:14 I behaved myself as though [he had been] my friend [or] brother: I bowed down heavily, as one that mourneth [for his] mother.
Psa 35:15 But in mine adversity they rejoiced, and gathered themselves together: [yea], the abjects gathered themselves together against me, and I knew [it] not; they did tear [me], and ceased not:
Psa 35:16 With hypocritical mockers in feasts, they gnashed upon me with their teeth. Psa 35:17 Lord, how long wilt thou look on? rescue my soul from their destructions, my darling from the lions.Laws attempt to fix the breach, Law is Nation control,
Lev 15:16 ¶ And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even.
Lev 15:17 And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even.
Lev 15:18 The woman also with whom man shall lie [with] seed of copulation, they shall [both] bathe [themselves] in water, and be unclean until the even.Understanding is to depart from evil….The seed of woman should be crusing the seed serpent
Psa 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
Psa 22:17 I may tell all my bones: they look [and] stare upon me.
Psa 22:18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
Psa 22:19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
Psa 22:20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
Psa 22:21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.because of the angels. and the spoil
1Cr 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on [her] head because of the angels.Quote (journey @ Nov. 15 2007,11:40) Hi to all! Could somebody please help me understand these passages.
Gen 3: 6When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together
Why did Adam and Eve realized their nakedness ONLY after eating the fruit of the tree?
Why do they have to cover their nakedness?
9 Then the LORD God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?”
10 So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.”Why was Adam afraid of his nakedness to GOD?
Where did the feelings of “SHAME” and “AFRAID” came from? from the fruit?
Were these feelings NEW AND ONLY FELT AFTER THEIR EATING OF THE FRUIT?
thank you.
journey
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journey The answer is really quit easy. Before Adam and Eve took of the Tree of Good and Evil, they only knew good. But after they ate the fruit, their eyes were opened it says and they realized that they were naked. And Mankind has suffered that understanding ever since. Satan wants to destroy human kind and the affect of their Sin goes on and on. We really are going to die for Adam's Sin, but in the millenium after all have tasted of all truths and we still deny what God wants of us, we will die for our Sins. Judgement right now is on the House of God, in the millenium all will be judged.Peace and Love Mrs.
Hi!
Thanks for the enlightenment sisters.
As i understand then, in the beginning GOD created everything good – and the desires of man caused him to stumble and sin against GOD.
GOD's love for human kind is so great that it was GOD Himself who offered the sacrifice – that is He sent His only begotten SOn (Jesus) to the world to die for mankind.
Salvation is assured to those who put their faith in Jesus Christ.
—–
Now when we say “FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST”, what does FAITH really entails?
Is ministrering a requirement of FAITH?
journeyHi Journey you asked….Is ministrering a requirement of FAITH?
Blind faith, is vain faith, and is not required. grace and mercy
Height width and depth, untill we understand ones own evil, from the beginning, understanding is to depart from evil, when we don;t know of own Natures failing?
Travailing in birth again until Christ be formed in children,
Many Dressing for the job you want, not the one you have?
But MANY there are on the WIDE ROAD that LEADS TO DESTRUCTION. for we know not what evil is?
victoms of…I have been found by the ONE who cared, and lost by the ones WHO DON'T.
charity
Thanks charity – actually i'm new to the faith.
Faith is a gift fom GOd through His grace and mercy and should be nurtured, so i heard in a sermon.
A friend of mine was ministering to me and she told me that such is needed to be saved. I countered that its FAITH, but unable to support it with scriptures. I'm not well versed with the bible, my interest was awaken just recently.
I told her i'd rather not go around ministering if what i say is false She smiled and she finally asked me, what is the true religion? I said NONE, and that every religion may have in them some truths and some false teachings and i'm not even sure what is false though…
Thank you to all… i'm learning from all your posts.
Quote (journey @ Nov. 15 2007,11:40) Hi to all! Could somebody please help me understand these passages.
Gen 3: 6When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together
Why did Adam and Eve realized their nakedness ONLY after eating the fruit of the tree?
Why do they have to cover their nakedness?
9 Then the LORD God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?”
10 So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.”Why was Adam afraid of his nakedness to GOD?
Where did the feelings of “SHAME” and “AFRAID” came from? from the fruit?
Were these feelings NEW AND ONLY FELT AFTER THEIR EATING OF THE FRUIT?
thank you.
journey
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Hi, I know my take on the bible is … controversial to say the least, but I believe that the bible is full of euphamisms, that the bible was written by primitive people in an attempt to understand and pass on the things that were going on in their lives…Anyway, here is how I would interpret your quoted passages :
Gen 3:6-7 :
– I think that the 'tree of life' or 'tree of the knowledge of good and evil' was really a euhpamism for simply a container of the knowledge of good and evil, perhaps science or some other knowledge that the 'Gods' didn't want the humans to have. I mean, you can consume knowledge in much the same way that you can consume an apple.
– So, by saying that Eve saw that the fruit was good for food, could be a euphamism for, as example, opening a forbidden book and seeing that it was safe to read (remember God said that it was forbidden to 'eat of the fruit', so, if it were a euphamism for a book of sorts, then it would only make sense to think that merely opening the book would be fatal).
– If Adam and Eve saw that they were naked, does that imply that the God's were clothed?
-I think the proper Euphamism for Naked = Ignorant, so 'The eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were ignorant, even tho I do concede that I'm not sure of a possible meaning of fig leaves in specific.———–
why did they cover theire nakedness?
Because they had done something forbidden, and their ignorance was lifted and now they tried to hide the fact that they were ignorant (aka cover their shame)The next question, is along the same line… this passage in particular sounds almost like 'God' walked in on Adam using some of the forbidden knowledge that he had sonsumed… and knowing that he was doing something forbidden, would naturally hide himself.
I would say that the Shame came from the knowledge that they had done something forbidden and would be unable to hide it, and afraid because they were lelft with the impression that the consequence of disobedience would be quite fatal…
I'm not going to go much further with this, but I feel that the feelings of shame and guilt were available to the people in the garden as well as the rest of the world.
Hi journey
Quote As i understand then, in the beginning GOD created everything good – and the desires of man caused him to stumble and sin against GOD. Who created oncogenes, the genes that in some cases make us vulnerable to cancer? Would you consider those good? Did god create them? Did man create them? If so, how?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Nov. 20 2007,00:56) Hi journey Quote As i understand then, in the beginning GOD created everything good – and the desires of man caused him to stumble and sin against GOD. Who created oncogenes, the genes that in some cases make us vulnerable to cancer? Would you consider those good? Did god create them? Did man create them? If so, how?
Stuart
Hmmm, I wonder at what point in history that the first oncogene came on the scene? It could have been a mutation due to negative external stimuli such as various chemicals.I personally believe that the cure for cancer is really not sought the way it should be. There is big money in cancer treatment. If someone came up with a cure think of all of the money that would be lost by the various pharmaceutical companies and what not.
Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 21 2007,05:05) I personally believe that the cure for cancer is really not sought the way it should be. There is big money in cancer treatment. If someone came up with a cure think of all of the money that would be lost by the various pharmaceutical companies and what not.
Exactly the point that my thoughts are leading to; how cures for cancers/Aids, among other diseases are more profitable to be treated than cured, how the best way to cure hunger seems to be to donate to unicef while the world powers have decided that they would rather spend that money on technological and military advancement, we live in a 'democracy' that allowed the most powerful man in the world to steal 2 (TWO!!) elections, whose greatest accomplishment has been to start an interminable war.This is where my controversial view on the bible meets the real world of today, let's consider what I'm talking about.
We have the Nephilim that arrived, they created their sons to be slaves in the Gardens, eventually they left or were kicked out of the gardens, and then arrive the new generation of humans, who get corrupted by the Elohim and are expelled from the garden.
So, the Nephilim hate humanity for not being good slaves and living peacefully in the gardens. They feel betrayed, and the better part of the Old testament is a description of the ways God smites humanity over the generations
Then there are the Elohim, (in the book of Adam and Eve) the character that tempted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit comes and tells them in short that he hates them for being the cause of their eviction of the gardens as well. (They were shunned for not praising Adams name, and then kicked out of the garden roughly the same time that Adam and Eve were found to have eaten the fruit.
Followed by a flood, some wars and other catastrophes… the bible really makes for an intense read, Now, I'm not sure how things ended, and why we aren't still seeing these same types of struggles, and why the 'gods' and 'angels' stopped talking to men (Unless they are now indistinguishable from the rest of humanity)
The way that I see things is that perhaps these 2 forces that hate humans, and hate each other are still around in the world, better hidden, and are pulling the strings and working towards some goal against each other and while using humanity to build the things that are needed to accomplish these goals.
Sounds far fetched? Yes, it does… it would seem to explain alot of what's going on in the modern world, and why society seems so possessed about technological and military advancement rather than in solving societies ills.
Hi Journey:
When Adam and Eve were created and in the Garden of Eden before their fall. They were in innocence as is a new born baby.
God's commandment to them was that they would die in the day that they ate of the tree. Death not only means a physical death, but when they ate, they were spiritually separated from God, and so at the moment that they ate, they knew evil (disobedience to God's commandments) and good (obedience to God's commandments).
They were naked and ashamed because of their guilt of having disobeyed God's commandment. They then tried to hide from God because they knew that they were guilty and feared what God would to them because of their disobedience instead of admitting that they had sinned with a repentant heart which is what they should have done.
Faith is believing what God has said in his Word and acting upon what he has said because you believe it.
It starts with believing that God is a reality.
Quote Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.Quote 1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. (We who have believed God's testimony regarding His giving His Son to be the proptiation for our sins have come to God with a repentant heart and have been baptized in water symbolizing our union with Jesus in his death, burial and resurrecton. If we have believed in this manner, he has promised us the gift of Holy Spirit which is the Spirit of God our Father who indwells us as our helper.) 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
I hope this helps.
God Bless
Quote (942767 @ Nov. 21 2007,12:18) Hi Journey: When Adam and Eve were created and in the Garden of Eden before their fall. They were in innocence as is a new born baby.
God's commandment to them was that they would die in the day that they ate of the tree. Death not only means a physical death, but when they ate, they were spiritually separated from God, and so at the moment that they ate, they knew evil (disobedience to God's commandments) and good (obedience to God's commandments).
They were naked and ashamed because of their guilt of having disobeyed God's commandment. They then tried to hide from God because they knew that they were guilty and feared what God would to them because of their disobedience instead of admitting that they had sinned with a repentant heart which is what they should have done.
Faith is believing what God has said in his Word and acting upon what he has said because you believe it.
It starts with believing that God is a reality.
I still feel that talking of nakedness as meaning ignorance… Yes, this may be true that they suffered a spiritual death, but more likely it was the ones that they called 'God' that thought of the humans as being dead in his eyes for their betrayal.I know the book of Adam and Eve is apocryphal, gives a sense that when Tyler Durden called humanity 'Gods unwanted children' you'd think he had read the bible himself.
Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 21 2007,05:05) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 20 2007,00:56) Hi journey Quote As i understand then, in the beginning GOD created everything good – and the desires of man caused him to stumble and sin against GOD. Who created oncogenes, the genes that in some cases make us vulnerable to cancer? Would you consider those good? Did god create them? Did man create them? If so, how?
Stuart
Hmmm, I wonder at what point in history that the first oncogene came on the scene? It could have been a mutation due to negative external stimuli such as various chemicals.I personally believe that the cure for cancer is really not sought the way it should be. There is big money in cancer treatment. If someone came up with a cure think of all of the money that would be lost by the various pharmaceutical companies and what not.
I'm glad you don't attribute oncogenes to some kind of “fall” nonsense. With regard to this, if they are an evil caused by some percieved disgrace of humans, why would other species, who are not capable of sinning, also get cancer from the same genes? (Real answer = common ancestry, of course).What is your recipe for the best way to search for cancer treatments, kejonn?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Nov. 21 2007,20:49) Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 21 2007,05:05) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 20 2007,00:56) Hi journey Quote As i understand then, in the beginning GOD created everything good – and the desires of man caused him to stumble and sin against GOD. Who created oncogenes, the genes that in some cases make us vulnerable to cancer? Would you consider those good? Did god create them? Did man create them? If so, how?
Stuart
Hmmm, I wonder at what point in history that the first oncogene came on the scene? It could have been a mutation due to negative external stimuli such as various chemicals.I personally believe that the cure for cancer is really not sought the way it should be. There is big money in cancer treatment. If someone came up with a cure think of all of the money that would be lost by the various pharmaceutical companies and what not.
I'm glad you don't attribute oncogenes to some kind of “fall” nonsense. With regard to this, if they are an evil caused by some percieved disgrace of humans, why would other species, who are not capable of sinning, also get cancer from the same genes? (Real answer = common ancestry, of course).What is your recipe for the best way to search for cancer treatments, kejonn?
Stuart
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.Everything is cursed not just man but the entire earth, all flesh is cursed.
All of man's governments are of the god of this world. Therefore
the governments are as the men that are cursed. Instead of warring against the flesh they indulge in it. Putting money above all else. As we come to the end of this age love will disappear. Man has taught their children their is no God! The “churches” teach there is no Law! Who can add? ONE, we are animals! Two
There is no more commandments Jesus nailed them to the cross.A animal, no God, no commandments, no hell. So whoever has the biggest gun wins!
Mat 24:12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
1Ti 4:2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared,2Ti 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,
2Ti 4:4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.2Ti 3:1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty.
2Ti 3:2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good,
2Ti 3:4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
2Ti 3:5 having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.Quote (Stu @ Nov. 21 2007,03:49) Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 21 2007,05:05) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 20 2007,00:56) Hi journey Quote As i understand then, in the beginning GOD created everything good – and the desires of man caused him to stumble and sin against GOD. Who created oncogenes, the genes that in some cases make us vulnerable to cancer? Would you consider those good? Did god create them? Did man create them? If so, how?
Stuart
Hmmm, I wonder at what point in history that the first oncogene came on the scene? It could have been a mutation due to negative external stimuli such as various chemicals.I personally believe that the cure for cancer is really not sought the way it should be. There is big money in cancer treatment. If someone came up with a cure think of all of the money that would be lost by the various pharmaceutical companies and what not.
I'm glad you don't attribute oncogenes to some kind of “fall” nonsense. With regard to this, if they are an evil caused by some percieved disgrace of humans, why would other species, who are not capable of sinning, also get cancer from the same genes? (Real answer = common ancestry, of course).What is your recipe for the best way to search for cancer treatments, kejonn?
Stuart
Get the big money out of it
. Seriously if cancer was to be cured the drug companies and hospitals would have to do more plastic surgery and depression treatment to stay afloat.I don't have a recipe, I just wish that everything wasn't about big money. On the flipside it seems that embryonic stem cell research — which hasn't produced a single beneficial result — is being squashed yet again. Seems there are other stem cells readily available that are much more promising and don't require dead babies.
There is NO God we are animals SO why not take a life that is not wanted to lengthen my life. Need an organ just go to Japan or one of those countries that will sell you whatever you need. Heck they even install it for you!
Mat 24:12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.
Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 22 2007,00:16) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 21 2007,20:49) Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 21 2007,05:05) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 20 2007,00:56) Hi journey Quote As i understand then, in the beginning GOD created everything good – and the desires of man caused him to stumble and sin against GOD. Who created oncogenes, the genes that in some cases make us vulnerable to cancer? Would you consider those good? Did god create them? Did man create them? If so, how?
Stuart
Hmmm, I wonder at what point in history that the first oncogene came on the scene? It could have been a mutation due to negative external stimuli such as various chemicals.I personally believe that the cure for cancer is really not sought the way it should be. There is big money in cancer treatment. If someone came up with a cure think of all of the money that would be lost by the various pharmaceutical companies and what not.
I'm glad you don't attribute oncogenes to some kind of “fall” nonsense. With regard to this, if they are an evil caused by some percieved disgrace of humans, why would other species, who are not capable of sinning, also get cancer from the same genes? (Real answer = common ancestry, of course).What is your recipe for the best way to search for cancer treatments, kejonn?
Stuart
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.Everything is cursed not just man but the entire earth, all flesh is cursed.
All of man's governments are of the god of this world. Therefore
the governments are as the men that are cursed. Instead of warring against the flesh they indulge in it. Putting money above all else. As we come to the end of this age love will disappear. Man has taught their children their is no God! The “churches” teach there is no Law! Who can add? ONE, we are animals! Two
There is no more commandments Jesus nailed them to the cross.A animal, no God, no commandments, no hell. So whoever has the biggest gun wins!
Mat 24:12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
1Ti 4:2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared,2Ti 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,
2Ti 4:4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.2Ti 3:1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty.
2Ti 3:2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good,
2Ti 3:4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
2Ti 3:5 having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.
Ken I love your new Aviator. 2Ti.3:5 is a really good scripture for Christians to follow upon. We have certain people here on the website we need to avoid. I truly belief that God wants us to gather together and strenghten each other, rather then tear us down. That to me is not Loving your neighbor. It is one thing to show some that go astray about wrong doctrine, but another to ignore the whole N.T. That is our whole basis of Christianity. Otherwise we could not say that we are Christians, if we don't belief in Christ.Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 22 2007,05:01) Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 22 2007,00:16) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 21 2007,20:49) Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 21 2007,05:05) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 20 2007,00:56) Hi journey Quote As i understand then, in the beginning GOD created everything good – and the desires of man caused him to stumble and sin against GOD. Who created oncogenes, the genes that in some cases make us vulnerable to cancer? Would you consider those good? Did god create them? Did man create them? If so, how?
Stuart
Hmmm, I wonder at what point in history that the first oncogene came on the scene? It could have been a mutation due to negative external stimuli such as various chemicals.I personally believe that the cure for cancer is really not sought the way it should be. There is big money in cancer treatment. If someone came up with a cure think of all of the money that would be lost by the various pharmaceutical companies and what not.
I'm glad you don't attribute oncogenes to some kind of “fall” nonsense. With regard to this, if they are an evil caused by some percieved disgrace of humans, why would other species, who are not capable of sinning, also get cancer from the same genes? (Real answer = common ancestry, of course).What is your recipe for the best way to search for cancer treatments, kejonn?
Stuart
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.Everything is cursed not just man but the entire earth, all flesh is cursed.
All of man's governments are of the god of this world. Therefore
the governments are as the men that are cursed. Instead of warring against the flesh they indulge in it. Putting money above all else. As we come to the end of this age love will disappear. Man has taught their children their is no God! The “churches” teach there is no Law! Who can add? ONE, we are animals! Two
There is no more commandments Jesus nailed them to the cross.A animal, no God, no commandments, no hell. So whoever has the biggest gun wins!
Mat 24:12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
1Ti 4:2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared,2Ti 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,
2Ti 4:4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.2Ti 3:1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty.
2Ti 3:2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good,
2Ti 3:4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
2Ti 3:5 having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.
Ken I love your new Aviator. 2Ti.3:5 is a really good scripture for Christians to follow upon. We have certain people here on the website we need to avoid. I truly belief that God wants us to gather together and strenghten each other, rather then tear us down. That to me is not Loving your neighbor. It is one thing to show some that go astray about wrong doctrine, but another to ignore the whole N.T. That is our whole basis of Christianity. Otherwise we could not say that we are Christians, if we don't belief in Christ.Peace and Love Mrs.
So you didn't like the dead guy
Everyone will have their day, Hebrews 9:27.
The only thing I didn't like about the dead guy was I didn't see a smile on his face. You know when the doctor told me that I had X amount of years to live that's when I understood the role of the Comforter (Holy Spirit).
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