- This topic is empty.
- Posts
Hi ,
This is a recurring theme in scripture that Rudy has brought up and I would like it developed on it's own.It seems to start in Ex 23.16
” And you shall observe the Feast of the Harvest of the first fruits of your labors from what you sow in the field;also the Feast of the Ingathering at the end of the year when you gather in the fruit of your labors from the field”So the first fruits and the total harvest are separate.
James 1.18
” In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the Word of Truth so that we might be, as it were, the first fruits among His creatures”Those in Christ.
Rev 14 .4
” These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb”These are identified in Rev 7 as 144,000 Israelites from all the 12 tribes[though Dan is replaced by Manasseh]
Also Rom 8 23 tells us to that we have received the Spirit as first fruits of our redemption.
Perhaps Rev 19. 15 f is the full harvest of the earth.
ps Since the rapture is timed with the Feast of Trumpets,when trumpets are sounded, could that be why the trumpet is mentioned ?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2006,22:10) Hi,
So was Christ the 'first fruits' from mankind?
Hi 1 Cor 15.20f
“But now Christ has been raised from the dead;
the FIRST FRUITS of those who are asleep.
For since by a MAN came death,
by a MAN also came the resurrection from the dead.
For as in ADAM all die,
so in Christ all will be made alive.
But each in his own order;
Christ the FIRST FRUITS,
after that those wo are Christ's at his coming,
then comes the end..”So the first fruits are the first of the farmers crop reperesentative of that crop and given back to God so surely those first fruits [Christ]belong to the same crop of “man”
Hi,
Indeed.
1Cor 15
“20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. “And in Christ also we are first fruits unto God.
Jas 1“18Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures”
as are the 144,000 converted Jews
Rev 14
” 4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. “God in all and all in God forever.
Hi Nick
Werent the First Fruits those that were resurrected the same time as Jesus?
Matt 27:52,53
52The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.Maybe not?
Hugs
PhoenixHI pHOeniX:
The text at Matthew 27:52, 53 concerning “the memorial tombs [that] were opened” as the result of an earthquake occurring at the time of Jesus’ death has caused considerable CONFUSION, if you ask me, some holding that a resurrection occurred.
However, a comparison with the texts concerning the resurrection makes clear that these verses do not describe a resurrection but merely a throwing of bodies out of their tombs, similar to incidents that have taken place in more recent times, as in Ecuador in 1949 and again in Bogotá, Colombia, in 1962, when 200 corpses in the cemetery were thrown out of their tombs by a violent earth tremor.—El Tiempo, Bogotá, Colombia, July 31, 1962.
MATTHEW 27:51-53
“And, look! the curtain of the sanctuary was rent in two, from top to bottom, and the earth quaked, and the rock-masses were split. And the memorial tombs were opened and many bodies of the holy ones that had fallen asleep were raised up, (and persons, coming out from among the memorial tombs after his being raised up, entered into the holy city,) and they became visible to many people.”When rendering Matthew 27:52, 53, many modern Bible translations give the impression that a resurrection took place.
Whoever “the holy ones” were, Matthew did not say THEY were raised up. He said their bodies, or corpses, were–“and many bodies of the holy ones…”
Second, he did not say these bodies came to life. He said they were raised up, and the Greek verb e·gei′ro, meaning to “raise up,” does not always refer to a resurrection. It can, among other things, also mean to “lift out” from a pit or to “get up” from the ground. (Matthew 12:11; 17:7; Luke 1:69)
This view of the event harmonizes with Bible teachings. In 1 Corinthians chapter 15, the apostle Paul gives convincing proof of the resurrection, but he completely ignores Matthew 27:52, 53. So do all other Bible writers. (Acts 2:32, 34) The corpses raised up at Jesus’ death could not have come to life in the way Epiphanius thought, for on the third day thereafter, Jesus became “the firstborn from the dead.” (Colossians 1:18) Anointed Christians, also called “holy ones,” were promised a share in the first resurrection during Christ’s presence, not in the first century.—1 Thessalonians 3:13; 4:14-17.
Quote (david @ Mar. 09 2007,08:45) HI pHOeniX: The text at Matthew 27:52, 53 concerning “the memorial tombs [that] were opened” as the result of an earthquake occurring at the time of Jesus’ death has caused considerable CONFUSION, if you ask me, some holding that a resurrection occurred.
However, a comparison with the texts concerning the resurrection makes clear that these verses do not describe a resurrection but merely a throwing of bodies out of their tombs, similar to incidents that have taken place in more recent times, as in Ecuador in 1949 and again in Bogotá, Colombia, in 1962, when 200 corpses in the cemetery were thrown out of their tombs by a violent earth tremor.—El Tiempo, Bogotá, Colombia, July 31, 1962.
MATTHEW 27:51-53
“And, look! the curtain of the sanctuary was rent in two, from top to bottom, and the earth quaked, and the rock-masses were split. And the memorial tombs were opened and many bodies of the holy ones that had fallen asleep were raised up, (and persons, coming out from among the memorial tombs after his being raised up, entered into the holy city,) and they became visible to many people.”When rendering Matthew 27:52, 53, many modern Bible translations give the impression that a resurrection took place.
Whoever “the holy ones” were, Matthew did not say THEY were raised up. He said their bodies, or corpses, were–“and many bodies of the holy ones…”
Second, he did not say these bodies came to life. He said they were raised up, and the Greek verb e·gei′ro, meaning to “raise up,” does not always refer to a resurrection. It can, among other things, also mean to “lift out” from a pit or to “get up” from the ground. (Matthew 12:11; 17:7; Luke 1:69)
This view of the event harmonizes with Bible teachings. In 1 Corinthians chapter 15, the apostle Paul gives convincing proof of the resurrection, but he completely ignores Matthew 27:52, 53. So do all other Bible writers. (Acts 2:32, 34) The corpses raised up at Jesus’ death could not have come to life in the way Epiphanius thought, for on the third day thereafter, Jesus became “the firstborn from the dead.” (Colossians 1:18) Anointed Christians, also called “holy ones,” were promised a share in the first resurrection during Christ’s presence, not in the first century.—1 Thessalonians 3:13; 4:14-17.
david david david nononoDon't cover the slain they were before time anouced
Isa 26:19 Thy dead [men] shall live, [together with] my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew [is as] the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
Isa 26:20 ¶ Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
Isa 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
Quote Isa 26:19 Thy dead [men] shall live, [together with] my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew [is as] the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. Isa 26:20 ¶ Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
Isa 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
Charity, nonononoooo
I agree with all these scriptures. But what do they have to do with what I stated? Yes, the dead shall rise.
The word resurrection literally means a rising up, and indicates a rising up to life.
But sometimes rising up simply means rising up. The Greek verb e·gei′ro, meaning to “raise up,” does not always refer to a resurrection. It bothers me that some Bibles falsly indicate that they were raised up to life. The text doesn't say this.MATTHEW 27:51-53
“the earth quaked, and the rock-masses were split. And the memorial tombs were opened and MANY BODIES OF the holy ones that had fallen asleep were raised up, (and persons, coming out from among the memorial tombs after his being raised up, entered into the holy city,) and they became visible to many people.”If the rock masses were split and there was a great earth quake and at the same time many bodies of people were raised up, it just might be that their bodies became visible to many people, because of the earthquake.
Quote (david @ Mar. 09 2007,09:17) Quote Isa 26:19 Thy dead [men] shall live, [together with] my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew [is as] the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. Isa 26:20 ¶ Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
Isa 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
Charity, nonononoooo
I agree with all these scriptures. But what do they have to do with what I stated? Yes, the dead shall rise.
The word resurrection literally means a rising up, and indicates a rising up to life.
But sometimes rising up simply means rising up. The Greek verb e·gei′ro, meaning to “raise up,” does not always refer to a resurrection. It bothers me that some Bibles falsly indicate that they were raised up to life. The text doesn't say this.MATTHEW 27:51-53
“the earth quaked, and the rock-masses were split. And the memorial tombs were opened and MANY BODIES OF the holy ones that had fallen asleep were raised up, (and persons, coming out from among the memorial tombs after his being raised up, entered into the holy city,) and they became visible to many people.”If the rock masses were split and there was a great earth quake and at the same time many bodies of people were raised up, it just might be that their bodies became visible to many people, because of the earthquake.
Most honorable david
Don’t make me wrestle you to the ground;hehe I have much respect for youThey went forth and preached the everlasting gospel in the cities
Believe Not a report of dead bodies flung into the city like some kind of movie so easly
I know you are faithfulJhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and “Now is” when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Jhn 5:28
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,Christ is the first friuts of them that slept
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
