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Quote (Colter @ May 24 2013,11:40) Quote (Wakeup @ May 24 2013,10:53) Quote (Colter @ May 24 2013,02:51) Freedom of Choice is enough to demonstrate evil, man is “tempted” by the presence of two paths, by his own heart, no Satan needed. I find it so distasteful that you blaspheme God by accusing him of plotting evil acts! That it was Gods will that Satan “fool the whole world” but then act surprised!
Colter
Colter.How would men know what is Good and what is evil?
How does men know where to draw the line between good and evil?
Can men decide what is good and evil? By his own wisdom and honest and true heart?
To some corrupt; stealing is good for own gain.
For this is life they say.Satan has indoctrinated men how to live a prosperous life.
And men has followed him faithfully.wakeup.
You may not know the difference between right and wrong but normal minded people do. And we find out what the will of God is by asking him.Colter
Colter.But who can make the decision what is right and what is wrong?
To the world robbing the poor is good.
The strong takes the weak,like the law of the jungle.
The poor are inferior.The line must be drawn by a good and justice God.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 24 2013,11:57) Quote (Colter @ May 24 2013,11:40) Quote (Wakeup @ May 24 2013,10:53) Quote (Colter @ May 24 2013,02:51) Freedom of Choice is enough to demonstrate evil, man is “tempted” by the presence of two paths, by his own heart, no Satan needed. I find it so distasteful that you blaspheme God by accusing him of plotting evil acts! That it was Gods will that Satan “fool the whole world” but then act surprised!
Colter
Colter.How would men know what is Good and what is evil?
How does men know where to draw the line between good and evil?
Can men decide what is good and evil? By his own wisdom and honest and true heart?
To some corrupt; stealing is good for own gain.
For this is life they say.Satan has indoctrinated men how to live a prosperous life.
And men has followed him faithfully.wakeup.
You may not know the difference between right and wrong but normal minded people do. And we find out what the will of God is by asking him.Colter
Colter.But who can make the decision what is right and what is wrong?
To the world robbing the poor is good.
The strong takes the weak,like the law of the jungle.
The poor are inferior.The line must be drawn by a good and justice God.
wakeup.
Man is endwelt with a moral conscience which is from God. The freedom of choice to choose sin is enough. Satan chose sin, caused trouble for the children under his care and has been dealt with. After the Son came down from heaven Satan was arrested. Their place is found no more in heaven.Colter
Quote (Colter @ May 25 2013,06:16) Quote (Wakeup @ May 24 2013,11:57) Quote (Colter @ May 24 2013,11:40) Quote (Wakeup @ May 24 2013,10:53) Quote (Colter @ May 24 2013,02:51) Freedom of Choice is enough to demonstrate evil, man is “tempted” by the presence of two paths, by his own heart, no Satan needed. I find it so distasteful that you blaspheme God by accusing him of plotting evil acts! That it was Gods will that Satan “fool the whole world” but then act surprised!
Colter
Colter.How would men know what is Good and what is evil?
How does men know where to draw the line between good and evil?
Can men decide what is good and evil? By his own wisdom and honest and true heart?
To some corrupt; stealing is good for own gain.
For this is life they say.Satan has indoctrinated men how to live a prosperous life.
And men has followed him faithfully.wakeup.
You may not know the difference between right and wrong but normal minded people do. And we find out what the will of God is by asking him.Colter
Colter.But who can make the decision what is right and what is wrong?
To the world robbing the poor is good.
The strong takes the weak,like the law of the jungle.
The poor are inferior.The line must be drawn by a good and justice God.
wakeup.
Man is endwelt with a moral conscience which is from God. The freedom of choice to choose sin is enough. Satan chose sin, caused trouble for the children under his care and has been dealt with. After the Son came down from heaven Satan was arrested. Their place is found no more in heaven.Colter
Colter.Are you saying that man can decide what is good and what is evil? are you serious? Can man draw that **invisible line**,between good and evil?
Man can only decide what is good for himself.
Can man play God and decide who did good and who did evil? The scripture says ''thy shalt not judge''.They have taken you way out into the wilderness.
wakeup.
Wakeup you are either really stupid or just to proud in your custome made doctrine to understand the simplest point. I said man has a moral conscience that comes from gods guidance. “they will be done on earth as it is in heaven”
God did not create an evil twin to teach man evil.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ May 25 2013,12:55) Wakeup you are either really stupid or just to proud in your custome made doctrine to understand the simplest point. I said man has a moral conscience that comes from gods guidance. “they will be done on earth as it is in heaven” God did not create an evil twin to teach man evil.
Colter
Colter.There you go; so man has to be under the authority of God.
Man can not take care of his own business.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 25 2013,15:37) Quote (Colter @ May 25 2013,12:55) Wakeup you are either really stupid or just to proud in your custome made doctrine to understand the simplest point. I said man has a moral conscience that comes from gods guidance. “they will be done on earth as it is in heaven” God did not create an evil twin to teach man evil.
Colter
Colter.There you go; so man has to be under the authority of God.
Man can not take care of his own business.wakeup.
Man is a Son of GodWe may be estranged from our Father due to ignorance and confusion.
The religions before Jesus taught theoretical redemption via sacrifice and law, Jesus reintroduced the lost to the realization of the Fatherhood of God, no blood sacrifice or rituals needed, just a faith based sincere repentance.
Man was never a Son of Satan, never a possession of the Devil.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ May 26 2013,03:44) Quote (Wakeup @ May 25 2013,15:37) Quote (Colter @ May 25 2013,12:55) Wakeup you are either really stupid or just to proud in your custome made doctrine to understand the simplest point. I said man has a moral conscience that comes from gods guidance. “they will be done on earth as it is in heaven” God did not create an evil twin to teach man evil.
Colter
Colter.There you go; so man has to be under the authority of God.
Man can not take care of his own business.wakeup.
Man is a Son of GodWe may be estranged from our Father due to ignorance and confusion.
The religions before Jesus taught theoretical redemption via sacrifice and law, Jesus reintroduced the lost to the realization of the Fatherhood of God, no blood sacrifice or rituals needed, just a faith based sincere repentance.
Man was never a Son of Satan, never a possession of the Devil.
Colter
Colter.Do you really believe that good things in life
can be achieved without *any sacrifice*?
Do you really think that to have God is *without sacrifice*?Can one truly worship God and live a promiscuous life?
Are we not suppose to sacrifice;and give up our bad habits?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 26 2013,08:56) Quote (Colter @ May 26 2013,03:44) Quote (Wakeup @ May 25 2013,15:37) Quote (Colter @ May 25 2013,12:55) Wakeup you are either really stupid or just to proud in your custome made doctrine to understand the simplest point. I said man has a moral conscience that comes from gods guidance. “they will be done on earth as it is in heaven” God did not create an evil twin to teach man evil.
Colter
Colter.There you go; so man has to be under the authority of God.
Man can not take care of his own business.wakeup.
Man is a Son of GodWe may be estranged from our Father due to ignorance and confusion.
The religions before Jesus taught theoretical redemption via sacrifice and law, Jesus reintroduced the lost to the realization of the Fatherhood of God, no blood sacrifice or rituals needed, just a faith based sincere repentance.
Man was never a Son of Satan, never a possession of the Devil.
Colter
Colter.Do you really believe that good things in life
can be achieved without *any sacrifice*?
Do you really think that to have God is *without sacrifice*?Can one truly worship God and live a promiscuous life?
Are we not suppose to sacrifice;and give up our bad habits?wakeup.
No, I have only said that God is changeless, is forgiving without an innocent man dying as a substitute for sincere repentance and transformation.Every aspect of our being is to be dedicated to doing the will of God, we give ALL of our being to the fathers will. Is that sacrifice enoght for you, the death of our old self, our selfish will, and the rebirth of a new God centered self.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ May 26 2013,11:37) Quote (Wakeup @ May 26 2013,08:56) Quote (Colter @ May 26 2013,03:44) Quote (Wakeup @ May 25 2013,15:37) Quote (Colter @ May 25 2013,12:55) Wakeup you are either really stupid or just to proud in your custome made doctrine to understand the simplest point. I said man has a moral conscience that comes from gods guidance. “they will be done on earth as it is in heaven” God did not create an evil twin to teach man evil.
Colter
Colter.There you go; so man has to be under the authority of God.
Man can not take care of his own business.wakeup.
Man is a Son of GodWe may be estranged from our Father due to ignorance and confusion.
The religions before Jesus taught theoretical redemption via sacrifice and law, Jesus reintroduced the lost to the realization of the Fatherhood of God, no blood sacrifice or rituals needed, just a faith based sincere repentance.
Man was never a Son of Satan, never a possession of the Devil.
Colter
Colter.Do you really believe that good things in life
can be achieved without *any sacrifice*?
Do you really think that to have God is *without sacrifice*?Can one truly worship God and live a promiscuous life?
Are we not suppose to sacrifice;and give up our bad habits?wakeup.
No, I have only said that God is changeless, is forgiving without an innocent man dying as a substitute for sincere repentance and transformation.Every aspect of our being is to be dedicated to doing the will of God, we give ALL of our being to the fathers will. Is that sacrifice enoght for you, the death of our old self, our selfish will, and the rebirth of a new God centered self.
Colter
Colter.Jesus sacrifice,is for the sins of the *whole world*.
Because of his love for us; now we obey ,and follow him.
The door to God is open again,and only through him we can get saved.
Never can we come to God by following the commandments.
We will always break the commandments.Only by his mercy can we be saved.
If jesus was not crucified,then we would never have known him. A marter is only known by his sacrifice.
We now sacrifice daily, by not touching the unclean thing.
By keeping clean,by coming out of babylon.We must know what is acceptable to God.
This we can not know unless we seek God,and find out
what is unclean to God.wakeup.
Or, maybe Jesus laid down his life to share in what man is called to pass through, while at the same time becoming a marter to carry the story of the original gospel wherein God is forgiving?
Maybe the cross served as a bridge from a primitive age of blood sacrifice to a more enlightened age when civilized man could come to receive the good news that God is forgiving?
Maybe Jesus patterned his entire life story after themes familiar to other beliefs all around the middle eastern world so that when his believers carried the message to the 4 corners of the earth, the message would be more likly to be received.
Nevertheless , believe what you think is right.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ May 26 2013,22:08) Or, maybe Jesus laid down his life to share in what man is called to pass through, while at the same time becoming a marter to carry the story of the original gospel wherein God is forgiving? Maybe the cross served as a bridge from a primitive age of blood sacrifice to a more enlightened age when civilized man could come to receive the good news that God is forgiving?
Maybe Jesus patterned his entire life story after themes familiar to other beliefs all around the middle eastern world so that when his believers carried the message to the 4 corners of the earth, the message would be more likly to be received.
Nevertheless , believe what you think is right.
Colter
Colter.Do you really think that everyone should just follow
what they THINK IS RIGHT?wakeup?
Quote (Wakeup @ May 27 2013,02:32) Quote (Colter @ May 26 2013,22:08) Or, maybe Jesus laid down his life to share in what man is called to pass through, while at the same time becoming a marter to carry the story of the original gospel wherein God is forgiving? Maybe the cross served as a bridge from a primitive age of blood sacrifice to a more enlightened age when civilized man could come to receive the good news that God is forgiving?
Maybe Jesus patterned his entire life story after themes familiar to other beliefs all around the middle eastern world so that when his believers carried the message to the 4 corners of the earth, the message would be more likly to be received.
Nevertheless , believe what you think is right.
Colter
Colter.Do you really think that everyone should just follow
what they THINK IS RIGHT?wakeup?
No, I think we should fearlessly follow the truth wherever it leads.I was speaking to you though, if you think God wrote the Bible then stay in it with your particular interpretation of it which differs from thousands of others who differ with each other on what the bible says.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ May 27 2013,02:52) Quote (Wakeup @ May 27 2013,02:32) Quote (Colter @ May 26 2013,22:08) Or, maybe Jesus laid down his life to share in what man is called to pass through, while at the same time becoming a marter to carry the story of the original gospel wherein God is forgiving? Maybe the cross served as a bridge from a primitive age of blood sacrifice to a more enlightened age when civilized man could come to receive the good news that God is forgiving?
Maybe Jesus patterned his entire life story after themes familiar to other beliefs all around the middle eastern world so that when his believers carried the message to the 4 corners of the earth, the message would be more likly to be received.
Nevertheless , believe what you think is right.
Colter
Colter.Do you really think that everyone should just follow
what they THINK IS RIGHT?wakeup?
No, I think we should fearlessly follow the truth wherever it leads.I was speaking to you though, if you think God wrote the Bible then stay in it with your particular interpretation of it which differs from thousands of others who differ with each other on what the bible says.
Colter
Hi Colter.I know my interpretation is accurate ,because of the clear picture it shows, without any distortions.
Old and new prophesies; gospels; and revelation,all in harmony.This only means that the whole interpretation is correct.
This is the reason why it so differs from the others.wakeup.
The Sage of Salem
(1015.1) 93:2.1 It was 1,973 years before the birth of Jesus that Machiventa was bestowed upon the human races of Urantia. His coming was unspectacular; his materialization was not witnessed by human eyes. He was first observed by mortal man on that eventful day when he entered the tent of Amdon, a Chaldean herder of Sumerian extraction. And the proclamation of his mission was embodied in the simple statement which he made to this shepherd, “I am Melchizedek, priest of El Elyon, the Most High, the one and only God.”….
Colter
Quote (Colter @ May 30 2013,05:24) The Sage of Salem (1015.1) 93:2.1 It was 1,973 years before the birth of Jesus that Machiventa was bestowed upon the human races of Urantia. His coming was unspectacular; his materialization was not witnessed by human eyes. He was first observed by mortal man on that eventful day when he entered the tent of Amdon, a Chaldean herder of Sumerian extraction. And the proclamation of his mission was embodied in the simple statement which he made to this shepherd, “I am Melchizedek, priest of El Elyon, the Most High, the one and only God.”….
Colter
Colter.Melchizedek,was the lord Jesus in the flesh;but not born.
He was the high priest of salem;but Jerusalem was not yet a city; He was king of peace.Jesus is to follow after the order of Melchizedek.
The new law is not after the order of Aaron,but after the order of Melchizedek.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 30 2013,11:50) Quote (Colter @ May 30 2013,05:24) The Sage of Salem (1015.1) 93:2.1 It was 1,973 years before the birth of Jesus that Machiventa was bestowed upon the human races of Urantia. His coming was unspectacular; his materialization was not witnessed by human eyes. He was first observed by mortal man on that eventful day when he entered the tent of Amdon, a Chaldean herder of Sumerian extraction. And the proclamation of his mission was embodied in the simple statement which he made to this shepherd, “I am Melchizedek, priest of El Elyon, the Most High, the one and only God.”….
Colter
Colter.Melchizedek,was the lord Jesus in the flesh;but not born.
He was the high priest of salem;but Jerusalem was not yet a city; He was king of peace.Jesus is to follow after the order of Melchizedek.
The new law is not after the order of Aaron,but after the order of Melchizedek.wakeup.
The Melchizedeks are a special order of emergency Sons.It was Melchizedek (the visible representative of God) that made the covenant with Abram, but long after Melchizedek left and the Hebrews wrote about it, they no longer believed in the incarnate Melchizedek so they had God come down to earth directly and talk with Abram.
The story of Abraham and Sarah was also fudged a bit, exaggerated.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ May 30 2013,12:43) Quote (Wakeup @ May 30 2013,11:50) Quote (Colter @ May 30 2013,05:24) The Sage of Salem (1015.1) 93:2.1 It was 1,973 years before the birth of Jesus that Machiventa was bestowed upon the human races of Urantia. His coming was unspectacular; his materialization was not witnessed by human eyes. He was first observed by mortal man on that eventful day when he entered the tent of Amdon, a Chaldean herder of Sumerian extraction. And the proclamation of his mission was embodied in the simple statement which he made to this shepherd, “I am Melchizedek, priest of El Elyon, the Most High, the one and only God.”….
Colter
Colter.Melchizedek,was the lord Jesus in the flesh;but not born.
He was the high priest of salem;but Jerusalem was not yet a city; He was king of peace.Jesus is to follow after the order of Melchizedek.
The new law is not after the order of Aaron,but after the order of Melchizedek.wakeup.
The Melchizedeks are a special order of emergency Sons.It was Melchizedek (the visible representative of God) that made the covenant with Abram, but long after Melchizedek left and the Hebrews wrote about it, they no longer believed in the incarnate Melchizedek so they had God come down to earth directly and talk with Abram.
The story of Abraham and Sarah was also fudged a bit, exaggerated.
Colter
Colter.You say you believe in God,but have no faith in Gods power to preserve his word. That corrupt man are stronger,and smarter.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 30 2013,14:53) Quote (Colter @ May 30 2013,12:43) Quote (Wakeup @ May 30 2013,11:50) Quote (Colter @ May 30 2013,05:24) The Sage of Salem (1015.1) 93:2.1 It was 1,973 years before the birth of Jesus that Machiventa was bestowed upon the human races of Urantia. His coming was unspectacular; his materialization was not witnessed by human eyes. He was first observed by mortal man on that eventful day when he entered the tent of Amdon, a Chaldean herder of Sumerian extraction. And the proclamation of his mission was embodied in the simple statement which he made to this shepherd, “I am Melchizedek, priest of El Elyon, the Most High, the one and only God.”….
Colter
Colter.Melchizedek,was the lord Jesus in the flesh;but not born.
He was the high priest of salem;but Jerusalem was not yet a city; He was king of peace.Jesus is to follow after the order of Melchizedek.
The new law is not after the order of Aaron,but after the order of Melchizedek.wakeup.
The Melchizedeks are a special order of emergency Sons.It was Melchizedek (the visible representative of God) that made the covenant with Abram, but long after Melchizedek left and the Hebrews wrote about it, they no longer believed in the incarnate Melchizedek so they had God come down to earth directly and talk with Abram.
The story of Abraham and Sarah was also fudged a bit, exaggerated.
Colter
Colter.You say you believe in God,but have no faith in Gods power to preserve his word. That corrupt man are stronger,and smarter.
wakeup.
Wakeup,I believe in Gods Word, God is The Word.
The theory or belief that God wrote the books of the bible is an authoritarian creation of religious institutions.
The controlling priest class lack faith that man can have a personal relationship with God outside of biblical idolatry, outside of the church.
God is available to ALL who seek him anywhere in the world.
Colter
After Melchizedek departed he continued to work with “the prophets” to prepare the way for the coming of the Son.
Colter
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