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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 15 2009,14:31) Hi TT,
Why would we bother with such trivia when the word of God is alive and active?
The Word of God “was/is” God!Who is that Nick?
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 16 2009,06:31) Hi TT,
Why would we bother with such trivia when the word of God is alive and active?
Do you accept Con's logic which goes like this: “Original – Oldest same point?”thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 16 2009,08:48) Hi WJ,
How many gods do you have?
Nick,
According to earlier Greek manuscripts Jude 5 reads that it was Jesus who saved the people out of Egypt. So your question ought to be directed to Jude.thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 17 2009,10:47) Hi TT,
Are the early manuscripts true?
Why?
As they say the earlier it is the closer it is to the original. We have Con's own word on it.thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 17 2009,11:35) Hi TT,
So the earlier it is the more reliable?
Cobblers.Only the original is guaranteed.
But we don't have the original. So we must go with the most reliable. Constitutionalist strongly insinuated that the oldest manuscripts are more reliable because they are closer to the original. So by Con's standard the ESV's reading that Jesus saved the people out of Egypt (Jude 5) would be more reliable.How do you decide which is more reliable?
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 18 2009,06:42) Hi TT,
Who appointed you as judge of veracity?
Older age does not prove authenticity does it?
Nick,
You are not paying attention. It is Con who insinuated that the oldest manuscripts are more reliable. So the ESV by his own standard would be more reliable. I am not dogmatic about the ESV.How do you decide for yourself which is more reliable? Is it the oldest or the latest or just blind faith? Do you set the translations before you and say, “eenie, meenie minie moe?” How did you decide that YOUR Bible is the most reliable?
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 18 2009,06:51) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 18 2009,06:42) Hi TT,
Who appointed you as judge of veracity?
Older age does not prove authenticity does it?
Nick,
You are not paying attention. It is Con who insinuated that the oldest manuscripts are more reliable. So the ESV by his own standard would be more reliable. I am not dogmatic about the ESV.How do you decide for yourself which is more reliable? Is it the oldest or the latest or just blind faith? Do you set the translations before you and say, “eenie, meenie minie moe?” How did you decide that YOUR Bible is the most reliable?
thinker
I'm waiting Nick. You always have to have the last word. Now all of a sudden you're silent. How do you decide for yourself which manuscripts are more reliable?thinker
Quote (Gene @ Dec. 21 2009,03:19) thinker…….what i meant by that was (YOUR) presentation of a resent finding that you grab as scripture when in fact they are just some fragments found . You eagerness to (TRY) to prove Jesus is A GOD, only shows how you have no real proof so you are franticly looking for something to support you false assumptions. Jesus is and alway was a Human being , from the time he came into being at His berth through Mary, and He (NEVER) existed befor his Berth except in the Plan of GOD for all humanity, to bring (MANY) SONS to GLORY the same Glory as Jesus has.
The manuscripts that say that “Jesus saved the people out of Egypt” are EARLIER manuscripts. They can't be ignored.thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 18 2009,11:01) Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 18 2009,06:51) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 18 2009,06:42) Hi TT,
Who appointed you as judge of veracity?
Older age does not prove authenticity does it?
Nick,
You are not paying attention. It is Con who insinuated that the oldest manuscripts are more reliable. So the ESV by his own standard would be more reliable. I am not dogmatic about the ESV.How do you decide for yourself which is more reliable? Is it the oldest or the latest or just blind faith? Do you set the translations before you and say, “eenie, meenie minie moe?” How did you decide that YOUR Bible is the most reliable?
thinker
I'm waiting Nick. You always have to have the last word. Now all of a sudden you're silent. How do you decide for yourself which manuscripts are more reliable?thinker
You can?Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 18 2009,11:01) Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 18 2009,06:51) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 18 2009,06:42) Hi TT,
Who appointed you as judge of veracity?
Older age does not prove authenticity does it?
Nick,
You are not paying attention. It is Con who insinuated that the oldest manuscripts are more reliable. So the ESV by his own standard would be more reliable. I am not dogmatic about the ESV.How do you decide for yourself which is more reliable? Is it the oldest or the latest or just blind faith? Do you set the translations before you and say, “eenie, meenie minie moe?” How did you decide that YOUR Bible is the most reliable?
thinker
I'm waiting Nick. You always have to have the last word. Now all of a sudden you're silent. How do you decide for yourself which manuscripts are more reliable?thinker
I think he is just tiring of you.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 21 2009,08:42) Hi TT,
So the age of a manuscript proves nothing.
The question was how do you decide which manuscripts are more reliable? I said that I am not dogmatic about the ESV so what's this stuff about “proof.”thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 21 2009,09:40) Hi tt,
So you offer no real evidence?
I offer real evidence. But not conclusive evidence. I have always said that I am not dogmatic about it.Quote The Novum Testamentum Graece is also known as the Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament, and is in its 27th edition as of this writing. The abbreviation for this text is NA27. The Novum Testamentum Graece is published by the German publishing company, Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft. The first version of the Novum Testamentum Graece was published in 1913 by Eberhard Nestle, a German orientalist and Biblical scholar from the late 19th and early 20th century. The Greek text as presented is primarily based on what Biblical textual critics generally refer to as the “critical text”. That is, the oldest fragments of New Testament texts that have been found. Many believe this body of biblical fragments represent a more reliable source and a more accurate representation of the Autographa that is, the original handwritten copies of the documents that make up the New Testament. However, every textual variant, that is, differences between fragments that have been discovered, is meticulously noted in the apparatus – the extensive footnotes that distinguishes the Novum Testamentum Graece from other Greek New Testaments.
Other scholars note that the larger body of fragments actually reflects what was originally penned more accurately. Since there more of these fragments, they are referred to as the “Majority text”. Thus, many divinity schools, New Testament Greek scholars, and others that are engaged in textual criticism of the New Testament tend to divide themselves into two basic camps: Those that prefer the Critical Text, and those that prefer the Majority Text. Most scholars in the late 20th century were Critical Text scholars, and many of the modern English translations are based on Novum Testamentum Graece, and thus primarily based on the Critical text.
The differences between the two bodies of Greek text do not change the overall message of the New Testament, but because a major tenet of Christianity, especially to evangelicals, is the inerrancy of scripture – that is, the Autographa is perfect without error, and reflects the perfect will and revelation of God to mankind – the differences continue to be strongly debated, and the rhetoric can sometime be scathing and derisive. However, since the Novum Testamentum Graece notes all but a few extremely minor variants, a careful scholar can accurately decide for themselves which version of the Greek Text is likely to reflect what the original authors actually wrote. Because of this complete and comprehensive inclusiveness, specifically in the apparatus of the Novum Testamentum Graece, it remains the primary Greek New Testament used by Seminaries throughout the world.
http://en.allexperts.com/e/n/no/novum_testamentum_graece.htmAre you going to tell us how you decide for yourself which manuscripts are more reliable? The source says that you can make an educated decision about it. Will you allow some to think that you have no intellectual basis for what you believe and that you played “eenie, meenie, minie moe” when you chose your Bible?
It says that the NTG remains the “primary” Greek new Testament in Seminaries THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. So it's reading that Jesus saved the people out of Egypt cannot be ignored unless one just wants to bury his head in the sand.
thinker
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