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- August 4, 2021 at 4:00 pm#872560kerasParticipant
Amos 5:8-9 He that made the Pleiades and Orion, who turns deep darkness into dawn and darkens day into night. He who summons the waters of the sea and pours them over the earth: Y’hovah is His Name. He makes destruction flash forth upon strongholds.
Amos 5:16-20 Calamity and misfortune will come to those who long for the Day of the Lord. What will that Day mean for you? It will be a Day of darkness, not light, it will be as when someone runs from a lion only to be confronted by a bear! Or to be bitten by a snake in one’s own house! The Day of the Lord will indeed be pitch black, without any ray of light.
Amos 8:7-10 The Lord has sworn by the arrogance of Jacob, I shall not forget their sin and apostasy. Will not the land quake because of this? Will not all who live in it mourn? The whole earth will surge and seeth like the Nile, then subside like the river of Egypt. On that Day, I will darken the world at noon time, all will mourn and lament on that bitter Day. Ref: REB, CJB.
Plainly, obviously and indisputably, this Prophecy does NOT refer to the glorious Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign. It will be fulfilled by the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, the next Prophesied event we can expect.
‘those who long for the Day of the Lord’. ‘long for, or want’, may be better translated as: ‘bring on, or cause to happen’. This applies to the enemies of the Lord, as they strive to impose their political and religious agendas onto the world; their actions will ‘call forth His wrath’. Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-35, Ezekiel 7:14, Isaiah 24:1
‘Calamity and misfortune will come to them’. The Lord will ‘send fire’, Amos 1:4,7,10,12,14. Amos 2:2 & 5 I shall send fire on Judah, fire to consume the palaces of Jerusalem. That is: the Jewish State of Israel.
But note that in Amos 2:6-16, all Israel, the Western nations, will be punished and their military destroyed. ‘He makes destruction flash forth onto the strongholds’. All things military will be destroyed. Hosea 2:18, Isaiah 34:2
A Coronal Mass Ejection from the sun will literally fulfil all the prophesies of this Day: Isaiah 30:25-28, Jeremiah 50:22-23, Hosea 2:18, Micah 5:10-11, Zephaniah 1:16, Jeremiah 50:27
‘The whole earth will surge and subside, like the Nile’. Massive, worldwide earthquakes will be caused by the microwave penetration of the earth’s crust by this CME. Isaiah 24:18-19, Jeremiah 4:23-24, Revelation 6:14
‘He pours the waters of the sea over the earth’, As the earth ‘reels and shakes’, and is ‘moved from its place’, Isaiah 13:13, the lakes and oceans will move violently from side to side, causing huge tsunamis, that will engulf and devastate all the low-lying areas worldwide. Amos 9:6, Nahum 1:8, Jeremiah 51:42
‘The Day of the Lord, will be pitch black, at noontime’. Zephaniah 2:4 also mentions noon day as the time of this terrible event. However the first sign we will see will be a flash of bright light, Isaiah 30:26, Job 36:32, Psalms 18:14.
Then the huge ejected mass of superheated hydrogen plasma will blot out the sun, as it races toward earth. Isaiah 50:3, Ezekiel 32:7-8, Joel 2:1-2
It will strike the moon first, causing it to glow bright red from the thermoluminescent reaction with the lunar dust, which mainly consists of metallic oxides.
‘Jacob’s arrogant and apostate descendants’. They are the House of Judah – the Jewish people, and the House of Israel – the Western nations; they will all be judged and punished on that Day. Ezekiel 21:1-16, Zechariah 13:7-9, Hosea 7:10, Hosea 8:14, Isaiah 1:25, Luke 21:34-35, 2 Thessalonians 1:6-8
August 5, 2021 at 6:16 am#872572BereanParticipantHi Keras
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Jacob’s arrogant and apostate descendants’. They are the House of Judah – the Jewish people, and the House of Israel – the Western nations; they will all be judged and punished on that Day. Ezekiel 21:1-16, Zechariah 13:7-9, Hosea 7:10, Hosea 8:14, Isaiah 1:25, Luke 21:34-35, 2 Thessalonians 1:6-8
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This last verse (2Th.1:6-8) show the glorious Return of Jesus
2 Thessalonians 1:6-8
Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:.which corresponds to the sixth seal : “THE WRATH OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB”
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
[13] And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
[14] And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
[15] And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
[16] And said to the mountains and rocks,Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the LAMB:(JESUS)
[17] For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
which corresponds ALSO to REVELATION 19
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And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
[12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.[13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God(Jesus Christ)
[14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
[15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
[16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
[17] And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
[18] That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
[19] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
[20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
[21] And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.AND ALSO REVELATION 14
And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
[18] And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
[19] And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth,and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
[20] And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
God bless you
August 5, 2021 at 8:33 am#872576kerasParticipantMe
This last verse (2Th.1:6-8) show the glorious Return of Jesus
2 Thessalonians 1:6-8
Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:.which corresponds to the sixth seal : “THE WRATH OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB” Quite Berean
Reply Keras:
2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 is not about the Return. Jesus does not Return in fire and in Verse 10, it says He is only revealed to His own people at that time.
It is the Sixth Seal event, also what Amos 5:16-20 prophesies, which happens long before the glorious Return. Your belief that Jesus will destroy the world at His Return, is wrong and proved wrong by Revelation 19:11-21.
August 5, 2021 at 7:23 pm#872580BereanParticipantKeras
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2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 is not about the Return. Jesus does not Return in fire and in Verse 10, it says He is only revealed to His own people at that time.
It is the Sixth Seal event, also what Amos 5:16-20 prophesies, which happens long before the glorious Return. Your belief that Jesus will destroy the world at His Return, is wrong and proved wrong by Revelation 19:11-21.
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No it is not wrong.
Jesus returns for two things:1) THE HARVEST OF THE ELECTED
2) DESTRUCTION OF WICKEDthis is revealed (among others) in Revelation 14: 14-20
1) THE HARVEST OF THE ELECTED
And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
[15] And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
[16] And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.2) DESTRUCTION OF WICKED
[17] And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
[18] And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
[19] And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the WRATH OF GOD.
[20] And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.THE HARVEST OF THE ELECTED COMPARE MATHEW 24:30-31 WITH REVELATION 14:14-16
DESTRUCTION OF WICKED
COMPARE REV 14: 17-20
WITH REVELATION 19: 11-21God bless you
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