The coming Kingdom WILL be PHYSICAL

[Devolution]

Many say that Christs kingdom is here already.

IF the Kingdom is already here, then what is this:

Matthew 13:40-43
40> As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be at the end of this world.

41> The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42> And shall cast them into a furnace of fire, there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43> Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

So, notice
> At the END, Jesus will send forth His angels to CLEAN OUT His kingdom.

And what happens at this point?
> THEN the righteous come into the kingdom…THEN…at the END

The END???
> END of mans rule over this planet that is.

Now ask yourselves
> Has the END arrived yet?

Of course not

Which only means
> That NO righteous are YET in this kingdom

Which means
> The kingdom is not yet “here”

And also acknowledge
> Christs kingdom had SINNERS in it.

And ask yourselves
> Do sinners get to live in the righteous kingdom?

And also ask yourselves
> WHERE is Christ coming from anyway, to have to SEND His angels INTO this Kingdom to clean it up

Which would mean
> Christ is NOT YET PERSONALLY IN this Kingdom.

For
> Christ is coming from somewhere else and SENDING His angels INTO this Kingdom.

So question
> Where is Christ coming from?

Isn't the only possible answer:
> Heaven

Wouldn't this ONLY then mean
> This kingdom is being established/cleaned up at His 2nd coming and is NOT in heaven after all?

Which can ONLY mean
> If not in heaven, then isn't the only other option…this kingdom is on EARTH?

For
> Jesus is coming again

Coming to?
> Mars?
> Venus?
> Or EARTH

And since the kingdom needs to be CLEANED UP…
> Doesn't that mean that this kingdom IS DIRTY…

BUT…
> Christ doesn't rule a DIRTY kingdom

Which means
> the KING HIMSELF is NOT YET RULING in this kingdom where SINNERS are.

Which screams
> a PHYSICAL KINGDOM that is ALREADY HERE, where SINNERS are, BUT WITHOUT it's true KING YET within it.

Which really means
> The kingdom is being ruled by others instead of Christ, which technically means that Christs kingdom is NOT YET ESTABLISHED HERE on earth.

Which can only mean
> That the Kingdom IS physical, for it has SINNERS in it, and needs to be CLEANED OUT..

Which makes this clearer

Luke 13:28
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the KINGDOM of God, and you [yourselves] thrust out

Luke 13:29
And they shall come from the east, and [from] the west, and from the north, and [from] the south, and shall sit down in the KINGDOM of God.

Ask yourselves
> Can flesh and blood SEE spirit?

AGAIN
> when ye shall….SEE….Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the KINGDOM of God, and you [yourselves] thrust out

Meaning
> MEN can SEE this kingdom

Which means
> This kingdom is PHYSICAL

And if physical, then this MUST mean, since Christ reveals that the resurrected Christians are changed into SPIRIT, this must mean that the SPIRIT Christians are the ones TEACHING these PHYSICAL Israelites after all, since Christ reveals that the Israelites get resurrected in the FLESH to LEARN by Christs resurrected saints who are changed into SPIRIT.

So
> Those who say the kingdom UNDER Christs RULE, is already here…

Aren't they WRONG when comparing this scripture with logic?

[seekingtruth]

Devolution,
I agree the Kingdom of God has not been fully realized yet. I believe that the Kingdom of God is best defined as where the will of God is accomplished. The Kingdom has still been at hand for nearly 2000 year, currently manifesting only in a small way in the midst of those having the Holy Spirit. The fulfillment of this promise will not be completed until Jesus is in authority on planet earth.

My opinion – Wm

[Ed J]

Hi Devolution, you have a lot of points here, so I'm breaking your post up into individual points. I hope you are OK with this?

“Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.”

But you changed the meaning of this verse to…

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> THEN the righteous come into the kingdom…THEN…at the END

When this verse actually means…
Romans 8:18-19 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with
the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for
the manifestation of the sons of God.

This is the “Feast of Tabernacles“ and
also called “the day of the LORD“.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 04 2012,01:40)

The END??? > END of mans rule over this planet that is.

Hi Devolution,

“The end” of the 'rudiments'.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[toby]

Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 04 2012,01:40)

Many say that Christs kingdom is here already. IF the Kingdom is already here, then what is this: Matthew 13:40-43    40>  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be at the end of this world.        41> The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;    42> And shall cast them into a furnace of fire, there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.    43> Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. So, notice > At the END, Jesus will send forth His angels to CLEAN OUT His kingdom. And what happens at this point? > THEN the righteous come into the kingdom…THEN…at the END The END??? > END of mans rule over this planet that is. Now ask yourselves > Has the END arrived yet? Of course not Which only means > That NO righteous are YET in this kingdom Which means > The kingdom is not yet “here” And also acknowledge > Christs kingdom had SINNERS in it. And ask yourselves > Do sinners get to live in the righteous kingdom? And also ask yourselves   > WHERE is Christ coming from anyway, to have to SEND His angels INTO this Kingdom to clean it up Which would mean > Christ is NOT YET PERSONALLY IN this Kingdom. For > Christ is coming from somewhere else and SENDING His angels INTO this Kingdom. So question > Where is Christ coming from? Isn't the only possible answer: > Heaven Wouldn't this ONLY then mean > This kingdom is being established/cleaned up at His 2nd coming and is NOT in heaven after all? Which can ONLY mean > If not in heaven, then isn't the only other option…this kingdom is on EARTH? For > Jesus is coming again Coming to? > Mars? > Venus? > Or EARTH And since the kingdom needs to be CLEANED UP… > Doesn't that mean that this kingdom IS DIRTY… BUT… > Christ doesn't rule a DIRTY kingdom Which means > the KING HIMSELF is NOT YET RULING in this kingdom where SINNERS are. Which screams > a PHYSICAL KINGDOM that is ALREADY HERE, where SINNERS are, BUT WITHOUT it's true KING YET within it. Which really means > The kingdom is being ruled by others instead of Christ, which technically means that Christs kingdom is NOT YET ESTABLISHED HERE on earth. Which can only mean > That the Kingdom IS physical, for it has SINNERS in it, and needs to be CLEANED OUT.. Which makes this clearer Luke 13:28    There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the KINGDOM of God, and you [yourselves] thrust out Luke 13:29    And they shall come from the east, and [from] the west, and from the north, and [from] the south, and shall sit down in the KINGDOM of God. Ask yourselves > Can flesh and blood SEE spirit? AGAIN > when ye shall….SEE….Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the KINGDOM of God, and you [yourselves] thrust out Meaning > MEN can SEE this kingdom Which means > This kingdom is PHYSICAL

I agree with all you have writen here so far – good points too.

But here is where you have lost me:

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And if physical, then this MUST mean, since Christ reveals that the resurrected Christians are changed into SPIRIT, this must mean that the SPIRIT Christians are the ones TEACHING these PHYSICAL Israelites after all, since Christ reveals that the Israelites get resurrected in the FLESH to LEARN by Christs resurrected saints who are changed into SPIRIT.

Can you show me where it says that in Scripture.

Thanks Devolution.

[Wakeup]

Quote (toby @ Jan. 04 2012,20:58)

Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 04 2012,01:40) Many say that Christs kingdom is here already. IF the Kingdom is already here, then what is this: Matthew 13:40-43    40>  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be at the end of this world.        41> The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;    42> And shall cast them into a furnace of fire, there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.    43> Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. So, notice > At the END, Jesus will send forth His angels to CLEAN OUT His kingdom. And what happens at this point? > THEN the righteous come into the kingdom…THEN…at the END The END??? > END of mans rule over this planet that is. Now ask yourselves > Has the END arrived yet? Of course not Which only means > That NO righteous are YET in this kingdom Which means > The kingdom is not yet “here” And also acknowledge > Christs kingdom had SINNERS in it. And ask yourselves > Do sinners get to live in the righteous kingdom? And also ask yourselves   > WHERE is Christ coming from anyway, to have to SEND His angels INTO this Kingdom to clean it up Which would mean > Christ is NOT YET PERSONALLY IN this Kingdom. For > Christ is coming from somewhere else and SENDING His angels INTO this Kingdom. So question > Where is Christ coming from? Isn't the only possible answer: > Heaven Wouldn't this ONLY then mean > This kingdom is being established/cleaned up at His 2nd coming and is NOT in heaven after all? Which can ONLY mean > If not in heaven, then isn't the only other option…this kingdom is on EARTH? For > Jesus is coming again Coming to? > Mars? > Venus? > Or EARTH And since the kingdom needs to be CLEANED UP… > Doesn't that mean that this kingdom IS DIRTY… BUT… > Christ doesn't rule a DIRTY kingdom Which means > the KING HIMSELF is NOT YET RULING in this kingdom where SINNERS are. Which screams > a PHYSICAL KINGDOM that is ALREADY HERE, where SINNERS are, BUT WITHOUT it's true KING YET within it. Which really means > The kingdom is being ruled by others instead of Christ, which technically means that Christs kingdom is NOT YET ESTABLISHED HERE on earth. Which can only mean > That the Kingdom IS physical, for it has SINNERS in it, and needs to be CLEANED OUT.. Which makes this clearer Luke 13:28    There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the KINGDOM of God, and you [yourselves] thrust out Luke 13:29    And they shall come from the east, and [from] the west, and from the north, and [from] the south, and shall sit down in the KINGDOM of God. Ask yourselves > Can flesh and blood SEE spirit? AGAIN > when ye shall….SEE….Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the KINGDOM of God, and you [yourselves] thrust out Meaning > MEN can SEE this kingdom Which means > This kingdom is PHYSICAL I agree with all you have writen here so far – good points too. But here is where you have lost me: Quote And if physical, then this MUST mean, since Christ reveals that the resurrected Christians are changed into SPIRIT, this must mean that the SPIRIT Christians are the ones TEACHING these PHYSICAL Israelites after all, since Christ reveals that the Israelites get resurrected in the FLESH to LEARN by Christs resurrected saints who are changed into SPIRIT. Can you show me where it says that in Scripture. Thanks Devolution.

Hi Toby.

See revelation 20:4. 6.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

wakeup

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And if physical, then this MUST mean, since Christ reveals that the resurrected Christians are changed into SPIRIT, this must mean that the SPIRIT Christians are the ones TEACHING these PHYSICAL Israelites after all, since Christ reveals that the Israelites get resurrected in the FLESH to LEARN by Christs resurrected saints who are changed into SPIRIT.

Rev 7:3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
Rev 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.,,,,,144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.

so there are only 144k that will be in heaven ,all others in Christ will be on the earth,

1CO 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ– the first fruits-(144k)—-, after that those who are Christ’s(the great crowd) at His coming,(beginning of the 1000 years)all others after the 1000 years are over.(second resurrection)

Pierre

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 05 2012,00:37)

wakeup Quote And if physical, then this MUST mean, since Christ reveals that the resurrected Christians are changed into SPIRIT, this must mean that the SPIRIT Christians are the ones TEACHING these PHYSICAL Israelites after all, since Christ reveals that the Israelites get resurrected in the FLESH to LEARN by Christs resurrected saints who are changed into SPIRIT. Rev 7:3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” Rev 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.,,,,,144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. so there are only 144k that will be in heaven ,all others in Christ will be on the earth, 1CO 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ– the first fruits-(144k)—-, after that those who are Christ’s(the great crowd) at His coming,(beginning of the 1000 years)all others after the 1000 years are over.(second resurrection) Pierre

Hi TERRA.

I couldnt agree more.

For God has revealed it to you.

Greetings.

wakeup.

[Devolution]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 04 2012,02:14)

Devolution, I agree the Kingdom of God has not been fully realized yet. I believe that the Kingdom of God is best defined as where the will of God is accomplished. The Kingdom has still been at hand for nearly 2000 year, currently manifesting only in a small way in the midst of those having the Holy Spirit. The fulfillment of this promise will not be completed until Jesus is in authority on planet earth. My opinion – Wm

Hi seekingtruth,

I agree fully.

God bless.

[Devolution]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 05 2012,00:37)

wakeup Quote And if physical, then this MUST mean, since Christ reveals that the resurrected Christians are changed into SPIRIT, this must mean that the SPIRIT Christians are the ones TEACHING these PHYSICAL Israelites after all, since Christ reveals that the Israelites get resurrected in the FLESH to LEARN by Christs resurrected saints who are changed into SPIRIT. Rev 7:3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” Rev 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.,,,,,144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. so there are only 144k that will be in heaven ,all others in Christ will be on the earth, 1CO 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ– the first fruits-(144k)—-, after that those who are Christ’s(the great crowd) at His coming,(beginning of the 1000 years)all others after the 1000 years are over.(second resurrection) Pierre

Hi Pierre,

Yes we agree about the 144k when getting technical..i was generalizing…if i mentioned what you did, about the truth of the matter, it'd just cause a big stir and would take away from my posts point.

Cheers anyway.

[Devolution]

Quote (toby @ Jan. 04 2012,20:58)

Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 04 2012,01:40) Many say that Christs kingdom is here already. IF the Kingdom is already here, then what is this: Matthew 13:40-43    40>  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be at the end of this world.        41> The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;    42> And shall cast them into a furnace of fire, there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.    43> Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. So, notice > At the END, Jesus will send forth His angels to CLEAN OUT His kingdom. And what happens at this point? > THEN the righteous come into the kingdom…THEN…at the END The END??? > END of mans rule over this planet that is. Now ask yourselves > Has the END arrived yet? Of course not Which only means > That NO righteous are YET in this kingdom Which means > The kingdom is not yet “here” And also acknowledge > Christs kingdom had SINNERS in it. And ask yourselves > Do sinners get to live in the righteous kingdom? And also ask yourselves   > WHERE is Christ coming from anyway, to have to SEND His angels INTO this Kingdom to clean it up Which would mean > Christ is NOT YET PERSONALLY IN this Kingdom. For > Christ is coming from somewhere else and SENDING His angels INTO this Kingdom. So question > Where is Christ coming from? Isn't the only possible answer: > Heaven Wouldn't this ONLY then mean > This kingdom is being established/cleaned up at His 2nd coming and is NOT in heaven after all? Which can ONLY mean > If not in heaven, then isn't the only other option…this kingdom is on EARTH? For > Jesus is coming again Coming to? > Mars? > Venus? > Or EARTH And since the kingdom needs to be CLEANED UP… > Doesn't that mean that this kingdom IS DIRTY… BUT… > Christ doesn't rule a DIRTY kingdom Which means > the KING HIMSELF is NOT YET RULING in this kingdom where SINNERS are. Which screams > a PHYSICAL KINGDOM that is ALREADY HERE, where SINNERS are, BUT WITHOUT it's true KING YET within it. Which really means > The kingdom is being ruled by others instead of Christ, which technically means that Christs kingdom is NOT YET ESTABLISHED HERE on earth. Which can only mean > That the Kingdom IS physical, for it has SINNERS in it, and needs to be CLEANED OUT.. Which makes this clearer Luke 13:28    There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the KINGDOM of God, and you [yourselves] thrust out Luke 13:29    And they shall come from the east, and [from] the west, and from the north, and [from] the south, and shall sit down in the KINGDOM of God. Ask yourselves > Can flesh and blood SEE spirit? AGAIN > when ye shall….SEE….Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the KINGDOM of God, and you [yourselves] thrust out Meaning > MEN can SEE this kingdom Which means > This kingdom is PHYSICAL I agree with all you have writen here so far – good points too. But here is where you have lost me: Quote And if physical, then this MUST mean, since Christ reveals that the resurrected Christians are changed into SPIRIT, this must mean that the SPIRIT Christians are the ones TEACHING these PHYSICAL Israelites after all, since Christ reveals that the Israelites get resurrected in the FLESH to LEARN by Christs resurrected saints who are changed into SPIRIT. Can you show me where it says that in Scripture. Thanks Devolution.

Hi Toby,

I see Wakeup answered for me…lol..thank you Wakeup..i'm not on here as regular as i probably should be…

So revelation 20:4-6 shows that the resurrected will be priests.
Priests teach.
And they need students to be teachers, or they couldn't be teachers.
And priests need congregations to be priests…
So who will they be priests over and who will they be teaching?
Enter the flesh Jews…
These Jews will be taught…
Taught by the resurrected…
Taught in greatly expanded Israel during the 1000k reign…
And these teachings (truth) will spread and cover the whole earth by the Jews who are being taught Jesus' covenant…
And Spirit is what the resurrected are changed into…
Spirit can translate into flesh at will…
Just like angels can as we have examples in scripture of this..

Which makes this clearer:

Isaiah 30:
20 > And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction (climaxing when the false prophet invades Israel), yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more (They WILL now listen during the 1000k), but thine eyes shall see thy teachers (why wouldn't their eyes see their teachers? it's their EARS that should be mentioned here (deaf, refusing to hear, NOW hearing)…not eyes…mmmm …unless the teachers were materializing before them like angels do…the resurrected priests) ….and then morphing back to Spirit…

21 > And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left. (Now they HEAR a word BEHIND them…but no mention of SEEING, imagine a mortal priest following you everywhere…imagine everything that suggests, now imagine an angel, for WE will be EQUAL to the angels when resurrected remember, so imagine an resurrected/priest which is now an angel (Spirit) guiding you…not so annoying now huh, more believable also and brings this prophecy into focus)

Thanks Toby,
hope that helped.

[toby]

Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 07 2012,21:10)

Hi Toby, I see Wakeup answered for me…lol..thank you Wakeup..i'm not on here as regular as i probably should be… So revelation 20:4-6 shows that the resurrected will be priests. Priests teach. And they need students to be teachers, or they couldn't be teachers. And priests need congregations to be priests… So who will they be priests over and who will they be teaching? Enter the flesh Jews… These Jews will be taught… Taught by the resurrected… Taught in greatly expanded Israel during the 1000k reign… And these teachings (truth) will spread and cover the whole earth by the Jews who are being taught Jesus' covenant… And Spirit is what the resurrected are changed into… Spirit can translate into flesh at will… Just like angels can as we have examples in scripture of this.. Which makes this clearer: Isaiah 30: 20 > And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction (climaxing when the false prophet invades Israel), yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more (They WILL now listen during the 1000k), but thine eyes shall see thy teachers (why wouldn't their eyes see their teachers? it's their EARS that should be mentioned here (deaf, refusing to hear, NOW hearing)…not eyes…mmmm …unless the teachers were materializing before them like angels do…the resurrected priests) ….and then morphing back to Spirit… 21 > And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left. (Now they HEAR a word BEHIND them…but no mention of SEEING, imagine a mortal priest following you everywhere…imagine everything that suggests, now imagine an angel, for WE will be EQUAL to the angels when resurrected remember, so imagine an resurrected/priest which is now an angel (Spirit) guiding you…not so annoying now huh, more believable also and brings this prophecy into focus) Thanks Toby, hope that helped.

Hi Marlin1.

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..i'm not on here as regular as i probably should be…

I get too distracted with other conversations, so I pay more attention to things that I probably shouldn't!  So no problems, thank you for your reply, and to Wakeup too.

I hear what you are saying.
I still have to get to understanding this 1000 year reign.
Once I do – if I see it – then i'll get back to you and tell you – I get it!
I appreciate your time in trying to explain it to me, and well said too.

Later Marlin.

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