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I find the book of Enoch fantastically interesting. Has anyone done any research as to it's origin? What have you found? Is it's credability sound enough to include in christian study?
Hi and welcome C247,
It is quoted in Jude and has been in the canon at times.
But many find it too uncomfortable to readQuote (chapel247 @ April 26 2010,08:34) I find the book of Enoch fantastically interesting. Has anyone done any research as to it's origin? What have you found? Is it's credability sound enough to include in christian study?
Hi Chapel247,The book of the luminaries in it discredits it as being a candidate for “Canon”.
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (chapel247 @ April 26 2010,08:34) I find the book of Enoch fantastically interesting. Has anyone done any research as to it's origin? What have you found? Is it's credability sound enough to include in christian study?
Hi Chapel247,Here's something I thought was interesting in the “Book of Enoch”.
Whoever reads this Post: tell me what you think of it ? ? ? ? ?The First House
14:9 And they lifted me up into heaven, and I went till I approached near a wall
which was built of crystals and a tongue of fire surrounded it; and it began to
cause me to fear. 10. And I went into the tongue of fire and approached near
to a large house, which was built of crystals, and the walls of this house were
like a floor inlaid with crystals, and the groundwork was of crystals. 11. The ceiling
was like the course of the stars and of the lightning, and Cherubim of fire were
between them, and their heaven was water. 12. A flaming fire surrounded the walls,
and its doors burned with fire. 13. And I went into this house, and it was hot like fire
and cold like ice, and there were nothing pleasant and no life in it: fear covered me,
and trembling seized me. 14. And as I was shaking and trembling, I fell upon my face and saw in a vision.The Second House
15. And behold there was a second house, larger than the other,
and whose doors stood open before me, and it was built with a tongue of fire.
16. And in all things it excelled in grandeur and magnificence and size, so that
I cannot describe to you its magnificence and its size. 17. Its floor was fire,
and above it was lightning and the course of the stars, and its ceiling was also
a flaming fire. 18. And I looked and saw therein a high throne; its appearance
was like the hoar-frost, and its circuit like a shining sun and voices of the Cherubim.
19. And from under the great throne came streams of flaming fire, and it was impossible
to look at it. 20. And he who is Great in Majesty sat thereon; His garment shone more brilliantly
than the sun, and was whiter than any hail. 21. None of the angels were able to enter, nor any flesh
to look upon the form of the face of the Majestic and Honored One. 22. Fire of flaming fire was round Him,
and a great fire stood before Him, and none of those were around him could approach Him; ten thousand
times ten thousand were before Him; but He required not any holy counsel. 23. And the holy ones who were
near Him did not leave day or night, nor did they depart from Him. 24. And I had so long a veil upon my face,
and I trembled; and the Lord called me with His own voice and said to me: “Come hither, Enoch, and to
my holy word!” 25. And he caused me to arise and I went to the door; but I bent my face downwards.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (chapel247 @ April 26 2010,08:34) I find the book of Enoch fantastically interesting. Has anyone done any research as to it's origin? What have you found? Is it's credability sound enough to include in christian study?
Hi Chapel247, LinkPeople need: “BIBLE PERCEPTION“=151, to understand “BIBLE TRUTH“=117 ! (AKJV Eph.4:22-24)
Haggai 2:9 The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith
the LORD of Hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of Hosts.
Haggai 2:7 And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come:
and I will fill this [Latter House] with glory, saith the “LORD of Hosts”=151.Jude:1:14-15 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold,
The LORD (Rev.21:2-3) cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon
all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly
committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against [The LORD JEHOVAH=151].God's Name [יהוה] translates DIRECTLY into English as “YHVH”=63
The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 !
Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
[“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.I added “Color” to help you grasp the “Ideas” God has put forth in His Word!
THE “THREE” MAIN (Called:”The Trinity”=148) “FEASTS OF GOD” are Called…1) “The Passover”=148 “The Passover”: made possible “Pentecost”=117
“Messiah: Jesus”=148 “JESUS CHRIST“=151 was the “Testator”=151!2) “Pentecost”=117 Started the “God Spirit”=117(Holy Spirit), which
“Former Rain”=117 is “GOD THE FATHER”=117 reigning in Mankind!3) “Feast of Booths”=151 begins “HOLY SPIRIT”=151(The LORD JEHOVAH=151)
“The Latter Rain”=151 “Tabernacles Feast”=151; the culmination of the THREE!We are now in: “The Day of The LORD”! (Rev.21:2-3 / Luke 21:34-35)
Prob. 16:15 In the light of (The LORD JEHOVAH=151) the king's (Psalm 29:10 / Psalm 10:16)
countenance is life; and his favor is AS A CLOUD of “The Latter Rain”=151. (1Thess.4:16-17)“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgThe bible has a very simple messege. Everything else is just extra to guide you into living a righteous life and receiving rewards in heaven.
Believeing in Jesus Christ and living a christ-like life gets you in the door…The rest of the teachings reap you the heavenly rewards.
As long as your wise and centered in God through Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit dwells within you.
You should be able to identify if the things of Enoch are Holy or Nonsense…
But I believe if it were 100% true, by god's divine hand, it would of landed in the bible. So be careful.
Ask yourself this, is the book of Enoch, part of the original Hebrew Bible?
If not, don't give it too much credit.
Hi RM,
Reading of Christ and believing in him and copying him is another form of uselessness.
Only he is righteous and you must be clothed with him in baptism.[Gal3]
Those who do not share his Spirit are none of his.[Rom8]
Only the Spirit can lead us into righteousness.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 06 2010,08:41) Hi RM,
Reading of Christ and believing in him and copying him is another form of uselessness.
Only he is righteous and you must be clothed with him in baptism.[Gal3]
Those who do not share his Spirit are none of his.[Rom8]
Only the Spirit can lead us into righteousness.
So tell me how to be clothed with him in baptism without the useless forms of believing in him and trying to be christ-like.Hi RM,
Demons believe but we are clothed in Christ through baptism.[Gal3]
Striving has never helped our cause because our righteousness can only be as filthy rags
Becoming Christlike is the aim but can only happen by sharing his Spirit and letting that Holy Spirit lead us.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 07 2010,08:48) Hi RM,
Demons believe but we are clothed in Christ through baptism.[Gal3]
Striving has never helped our cause because our righteousness can only be as filthy rags
Becoming Christlike is the aim but can only happen by sharing his Spirit and letting that Holy Spirit lead us.
So what are you saying?I'm saying believe in Jesus Christ, follow his commandments and love God first and your neighbor as yourself.
When you sin, repent and don't do it again.
If you stumble, learn from the mistakes and try not to do it again…but we all know we all will be sinners to the grave…so it's the honest effort that counts.
That's what I am saying…
what are you saying? Because so far what I am hearing is…
You must be baptised in water and clothed with christ to be saved….but my question is, how is that accomplished if you don't believe in Christ and aim to be like him by following his commandments?
Quote (RokkaMan @ May 07 2010,07:55) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 07 2010,08:48) Hi RM,
Demons believe but we are clothed in Christ through baptism.[Gal3]
Striving has never helped our cause because our righteousness can only be as filthy rags
Becoming Christlike is the aim but can only happen by sharing his Spirit and letting that Holy Spirit lead us.
So what are you saying?I'm saying believe in Jesus Christ, follow his commandments and love God first and your neighbor as yourself.
When you sin, repent and don't do it again.
If you stumble, learn from the mistakes and try not to do it again…but we all know we all will be sinners to the grave…so it's the honest effort that counts.
That's what I am saying…
what are you saying? Because so far what I am hearing is…
You must be baptised in water and clothed with christ to be saved….but my question is, how is that accomplished if you don't believe in Christ and aim to be like him by following his commandments?
lol RM,Nice try!!
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 22 2010,02:00) Quote (RokkaMan @ May 07 2010,07:55) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 07 2010,08:48) Hi RM,
Demons believe but we are clothed in Christ through baptism.[Gal3]
Striving has never helped our cause because our righteousness can only be as filthy rags
Becoming Christlike is the aim but can only happen by sharing his Spirit and letting that Holy Spirit lead us.
So what are you saying?I'm saying believe in Jesus Christ, follow his commandments and love God first and your neighbor as yourself.
When you sin, repent and don't do it again.
If you stumble, learn from the mistakes and try not to do it again…but we all know we all will be sinners to the grave…so it's the honest effort that counts.
That's what I am saying…
what are you saying? Because so far what I am hearing is…
You must be baptised in water and clothed with christ to be saved….but my question is, how is that accomplished if you don't believe in Christ and aim to be like him by following his commandments?
lol RM,Nice try!!
what do you mean ? SFQuote (thehappyman @ July 13 2011,10:00) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 22 2010,02:00) Quote (RokkaMan @ May 07 2010,07:55) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 07 2010,08:48) Hi RM,
Demons believe but we are clothed in Christ through baptism.[Gal3]
Striving has never helped our cause because our righteousness can only be as filthy rags
Becoming Christlike is the aim but can only happen by sharing his Spirit and letting that Holy Spirit lead us.
So what are you saying?I'm saying believe in Jesus Christ, follow his commandments and love God first and your neighbor as yourself.
When you sin, repent and don't do it again.
If you stumble, learn from the mistakes and try not to do it again…but we all know we all will be sinners to the grave…so it's the honest effort that counts.
That's what I am saying…
what are you saying? Because so far what I am hearing is…
You must be baptised in water and clothed with christ to be saved….but my question is, how is that accomplished if you don't believe in Christ and aim to be like him by following his commandments?
lol RM,Nice try!!
what do you mean ? SF
STnick is no longer there ,but nick believe that you can not be saved unless you got baptized in water,
and rokkaman is in the discussion to find out how to be in Christ
ans SF is but in knowing nick and so answer to rokkaman
Nice try!
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