The bodies of satan, demons, and angels

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2013,10:30)

T, I have no problem saying angels have a different body than man since they are not humans.  I do know that Scripture does not substantiate any difference except for something to do with what sounds like beauty. My problem is the body is composed of spirit which is immaterial.  There is nothing in spirit to make a body of.  I am not even sure how a ghost has a form.

K

The angels are spirit beings, what ever that is,now within that spirit being there is a soul with a spirit in it ,,

So they have a body that is spirit ,with a soul that as a spirit in it ,just like us, exept that we have a body in flesh,or made of flesh if you like ,and angels have their body in a spirit form ,what ever that is,

Remember scriptures says “let us make man to our image “

[Wakeup]

Kerwin.

God is a spirit.
Has he got a body?

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,12:37)

Kerwin. God is a spirit. Has he got a body? wakeup.

W

God has a soul and scriptures says he is spirit in form ,no one can see him or ear him only the son does

[Wakeup]

Has he got a body;for Kerwin
says that a spirit dont have bodies.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,13:07)

Has he got a body;for Kerwin says that a spirit dont have bodies. wakeup.

simple,if God exist and has a soul then he must have a body a spirit body that contain his being ,whatever that may be ;and he has a spirit meaning a will of his own ,this mean that he is a individual person or being ,he can see ,hear,and talk,so similar to our qualities in much ,much more power.it does not matter what others believe it is what the scriptures teach that is important.

[Wakeup]

Kerwin?

wakeup.

[2besee]

Journey, you asked when my bible was written. 1966.

So, “the spirit” to you, is………? (what)

[journey42]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2013,10:45)

Wakeup and journey, I've read your responses, and have heard what you're saying.  I, however, disagree with you. It is not beyond God to use deception to further His goal, and therefore we should not assume an angel who was willing to use deception is of Satan. Consider the angel that killed 185,000 living human beings.  Was that “angel of Jehovah” really one of Satan's angels because he murdered human beings for the good of God's nation?  If not, then why would an angel who merely deceived some men (as opposed to killing them) for the good of God's nation have to belong to Satan? The same argument can be made of the angels who destroyed Sodom, right?  Surely there were infants and children in those towns who died, right?  Yet that act was done at God's order, by faithful “good” angels of God. I'm sure this is not a point that would keep anyone from everlasting life, and therefore not worth a heated argument.  I just wanted you guys to see it from my point of view, and know why I don't have any reason to think this deceiving spirit was anything other than one of God's good and faithful angels. peace to you both, mike

Hi Mike

Yes, good point.
However, I feel it was a bad angel, because there's a difference between being a “lying spirit” and an angel that is carrying out God's orders by destroying the wicked.
One is “deceiving” and the other is giving out “retribution.” for God.
If God commands us not to lie, then that rule would be for the angels also.
But this angel came up with the idea, and volunteered to do it, and God let him…
Just like how he lets Satan do as he pleases on the unjust.

[journey42]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2013,10:48)

God did create the hosts of evil but not the spirit of evil which I hypothesis is not created but an reaction to the spirit of righteousness.   Other than that what you write sounds correct.

Hi Kerwin,

If God is all knowing, and he created Lucifer, the annointed cherub perfect, then surely he created him to become evil at a certain point in time.
So if God created evil, then that's correct, for he created Lucifer who is full of evil.
This does not mean that God is evil, don't get me wrong,
but EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS was made by God, and that includes Good and Evil.

God knows what he's doing. He is full of wisdom. Nothing is created from nothing. It all comes from God and his intelligent design to serve his purpose.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

[Devolution]

mikeboll64,Oct. wrote:

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Hi Mike,

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I see this particular spirit as one of God's beloved angel sons, who had a good idea that God accepted, and then was given permission from God Himself to act on that idea.

Would it really be 'a good idea' for a good angel to have an evil idea?

[terraricca]

Quote (Devolution @ Nov. 01 2013,19:25)

mikeboll64,Oct. wrote: [/quote] Hi Mike, Quote I see this particular spirit as one of God's beloved angel sons, who had a good idea that God accepted, and then was given permission from God Himself to act on that idea. Would it really be 'a good idea' for a good angel to have an evil idea?

HI,DEVO

what about when God created confusion with the tongues at the tower of babel;

was that evil

I think you missing the point ;

when Christ chases the vendors in the temple WAS THAT EVIL coming from Christ

understand that the truth it self can be seen as corrupted IT ALL DEPEND ON THE HEART OF THE RECEIVERS ,would this means that the truth is now a lie it may be understood like that by the wrong people ,right yes

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,12:37)

Kerwin. God is a spirit. Has he got a body? wakeup.

Wakeup,

God created all things that are physical.  Bodies are physical constructs.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 01 2013,12:36)

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2013,10:30) T, I have no problem saying angels have a different body than man since they are not humans.  I do know that Scripture does not substantiate any difference except for something to do with what sounds like beauty. My problem is the body is composed of spirit which is immaterial.  There is nothing in spirit to make a body of.  I am not even sure how a ghost has a form. K The angels are spirit beings, what ever that is,now within that spirit being there is a soul with a spirit in it ,, So they have a body that is spirit ,with a soul that as a spirit in it ,just like us, exept that we have a body in flesh,or made of flesh if you like ,and angels have their body in a spirit form ,what ever that is, Remember scriptures says “let us make man to our image “

T,

Angels are supernatural and the English language calls that spirit,  I do not know if Koine Greek does.  

When I looked it up there are two French words that are translated spirit.  One is gynie and the other is esprit.  Of the two the gynie looks like genie, a supernatural creature.  I doubt either of them has the exact same meanings as the English spirit.   The Koine Greek words that are equivalent to spirit are likely the same.

[kerwin]

Quote (Devolution @ Nov. 01 2013,19:25)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2013,10:21) Hi Mike, Quote I see this particular spirit as one of God's beloved angel sons, who had a good idea that God accepted, and then was given permission from God Himself to act on that idea. Would it really be 'a good idea' for a good angel to have an evil idea?

Devolution,

Mike does not seem to understand that becoming a false prophecy in the mouth of 400 prophets in order to deceive someone God wants to deceive is evil.

He does not seem to perceive that God uses the actions of evil doers to accomplish good.

He also seems to miss the wicked action of transforming into a false prophecy and see the righteous action of deception.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,01:12)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 01 2013,12:36) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2013,10:30) T, I have no problem saying angels have a different body than man since they are not humans.  I do know that Scripture does not substantiate any difference except for something to do with what sounds like beauty. My problem is the body is composed of spirit which is immaterial.  There is nothing in spirit to make a body of.  I am not even sure how a ghost has a form. K The angels are spirit beings, what ever that is,now within that spirit being there is a soul with a spirit in it ,, So they have a body that is spirit ,with a soul that as a spirit in it ,just like us, exept that we have a body in flesh,or made of flesh if you like ,and angels have their body in a spirit form ,what ever that is, Remember scriptures says “let us make man to our image “ T, Angels are supernatural and the English language calls that spirit,  I do not know if Koine Greek does.   When I looked it up there are two French words that are translated spirit.  One is gynie and the other is esprit.  Of the two the gynie looks like genie, a supernatural creature.  I doubt either of them has the exact same meanings as the English spirit.   The Koine Greek words that are equivalent to spirit are likely the same.

K

i do not look in dictionary for this one but only in scriptures ;

angel /spirits/sons of God all the same ;scriptures says they are part of God's plan in creation ;but are living in the heavens,men are living on earth ;and created on earth ;angels have been created in heaven not on earth,

we have many things in common with the angel beings ,

does it really matter that they are called spirit beings,angel beings,sons of God ,ministering beings to men ,messengers ,what is important is that there is a full community of beings that serves God night and day in heaven ,and that looks to see the day of the end of wickedness just as we do,

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,05:59)

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,12:37) Kerwin. God is a spirit. Has he got a body? wakeup. Wakeup, God created all things that are physical.  Bodies are physical constructs.

Kerwin.

Is God also physical?

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,03:57)

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,05:59) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,12:37) Kerwin. God is a spirit. Has he got a body? wakeup. Wakeup, God created all things that are physical.  Bodies are physical constructs. Kerwin. Is God also physical? wakeup.

Wakeup,

God did not create himself.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,01:25)

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,01:12) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 01 2013,12:36) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2013,10:30) T, I have no problem saying angels have a different body than man since they are not humans.  I do know that Scripture does not substantiate any difference except for something to do with what sounds like beauty. My problem is the body is composed of spirit which is immaterial.  There is nothing in spirit to make a body of.  I am not even sure how a ghost has a form. K The angels are spirit beings, what ever that is,now within that spirit being there is a soul with a spirit in it ,, So they have a body that is spirit ,with a soul that as a spirit in it ,just like us, exept that we have a body in flesh,or made of flesh if you like ,and angels have their body in a spirit form ,what ever that is, Remember scriptures says “let us make man to our image “ T, Angels are supernatural and the English language calls that spirit,  I do not know if Koine Greek does.   When I looked it up there are two French words that are translated spirit.  One is gynie and the other is esprit.  Of the two the gynie looks like genie, a supernatural creature.  I doubt either of them has the exact same meanings as the English spirit.   The Koine Greek words that are equivalent to spirit are likely the same. K i do not look in dictionary for this one but only in scriptures ; angel /spirits/sons of God  all the same ;scriptures says they are part of God's plan in creation ;but are living in the heavens,men are living on earth ;and created on earth ;angels have been created in heaven not on earth, we have many things in common with the angel beings , does it really matter that they are called spirit beings,angel beings,sons of God ,ministering beings to men ,messengers ,what is important is that there is a full community of beings that serves God night and day in heaven ,and that looks to see the day of the end of wickedness just as we do,

T,

As far as I know, it only matters to the point it reflect on the truth about the resurrection.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,14:26)

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,03:57) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,05:59) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,12:37) Kerwin. God is a spirit. Has he got a body? wakeup. Wakeup, God created all things that are physical.  Bodies are physical constructs. Kerwin. Is God also physical? wakeup. Wakeup, God did not create himself.

kerwin.

Is that answer? NO?
But he is spirit.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,09:28)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,01:25) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,01:12) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 01 2013,12:36) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2013,10:30) T, I have no problem saying angels have a different body than man since they are not humans.  I do know that Scripture does not substantiate any difference except for something to do with what sounds like beauty. My problem is the body is composed of spirit which is immaterial.  There is nothing in spirit to make a body of.  I am not even sure how a ghost has a form. K The angels are spirit beings, what ever that is,now within that spirit being there is a soul with a spirit in it ,, So they have a body that is spirit ,with a soul that as a spirit in it ,just like us, exept that we have a body in flesh,or made of flesh if you like ,and angels have their body in a spirit form ,what ever that is, Remember scriptures says “let us make man to our image “ T, Angels are supernatural and the English language calls that spirit,  I do not know if Koine Greek does.   When I looked it up there are two French words that are translated spirit.  One is gynie and the other is esprit.  Of the two the gynie looks like genie, a supernatural creature.  I doubt either of them has the exact same meanings as the English spirit.   The Koine Greek words that are equivalent to spirit are likely the same. K i do not look in dictionary for this one but only in scriptures ; angel /spirits/sons of God  all the same ;scriptures says they are part of God's plan in creation ;but are living in the heavens,men are living on earth ;and created on earth ;angels have been created in heaven not on earth, we have many things in common with the angel beings , does it really matter that they are called spirit beings,angel beings,sons of God ,ministering beings to men ,messengers ,what is important is that there is a full community of beings that serves God night and day in heaven ,and that looks to see the day of the end of wickedness just as we do, T, As far as I know, it only matters to the point it reflect on the truth about the resurrection.

K

think about this scripture ;

Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection

Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.

see the that the resurrected FIRST FRUITS ARE THE 144K AND WHEN TIME COMES THEY WILL COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN WITH CHRIST ON EARTH THIS HIS THE WHOLE FULFILLMENT OF GOD'S PLAN

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