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Hi ED,
You have admitted to the faults in the KJV [eg 1jn5.7]which you attributed to the frailties of humans.
You agreed that is was based on the most popular manuscripts chosen by men.
So why would you seem to promote it as the ONLY valid one?Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2012,10:39) Hi ED,
You have admitted to the faults in the KJV [eg 1jn5.7]which you attributed to the frailties of humans.
You agreed that is was based on the most popular manuscripts chosen by men.
So why would you seem to promote it as the ONLY valid one?
Hi Nick, the only valid version “in English”!Reason #2: “they” being Roman Catholicism.
The way I understand things, is that they had the Apocrypha books, and the
deuterocanonical books; all of which were later removed by the Church of England.
It was under the Crown, that Authorized the King James Bible in 1603 by King James I.A brief history
After the 10 Northern tribes separated from the 2 Southern tribes (Judah and Benjamin), by YHVH's orders.
The crown was taken over the Caucuses mountains, and was first settled in Europe in Scotland (Berkshire I think).Later the crown moved to England, where the “United Kingdom” has been ruling from ever since. Brittan is considered Ephraim,
and the “United States” is considered Manasseh. Ephraim and Manasseh were the two sons of Joesph, where Jacob's blessings went.Reason #3:
The 'Codex Sinaiticvs' and the 'Codex Vaticanvs' do not agree with each other, and as
a matter of FACT both are closer in agreement to the “Textus Receptus” than to each other.
The Nestle Text was a blending of these two texts into one altered Greek version by the Catholics.
It was done in an attempt to compete with the “Textus Receptus” as an alternate version of God's truth.The “Textus Receptus” (also called the received text) was a compilation of all the Greek texts that were being
circulated in the churches into one a master copy. The “AKJV Bible” was translated from this Greek “Majority Text”.The Nestle Text was a Greek blended text of 'Codex Sinaiticvs' and the 'Codex Vaticanvs', from which the N.I.V descends.
The “AKJV Bible” was translated from the “Textus Receptus”; which was a master copy of the Greek Majority texts.
Both the N.I.V. and N.A.S.B. are good translations, but of the wrong Greek text, as the Nestle Text is corrupt.“At the mouth of three witnesses,
shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgReason #1
Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.
Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue(that is English) will he speak to this people.1Cor.14:27 (AKJV) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two(Hebrew, Aramaic),
or at the most by three(Greek), and that by course; [and let one (“AKJV Bible”) translate].The “AKJV Bible” we have today was no accident, it's exactly the way GOD wanted it!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2012,19:02) Hi ED,
Scriptural witnesses not human reasoning please.
Hi Nick,I gave you the answer, met the requirements;
now you are trying to change the requirements
because YOU do not want to accept the answer.
Arguing over segmented understanding 'is irrelevant'.Ed J (see associated post ↓)
Quote (Ed J @ April 14 2012,05:42) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 14 2012,05:06) Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,14:05) Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,14:02)
Rudimentary logic vs Rudimentary logic
Ding, let the match begin.
Ed J,You have the right idea about this forum! Nothing but short bouts of fighting going on here in foolish words.
The only difference between an actual boxing match and what goes on here is that here the fight never ends.
Hi Frank,All rudimentary logic needs is a better to understanding of “the big picture”.
Arguing over segmented understanding is irrelevant .God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 14 2012,07:30) Quote (Ed J @ April 14 2012,05:42) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 14 2012,05:06) Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,14:05) Quote (Ed J @ April 13 2012,14:02)
Rudimentary logic vs Rudimentary logic
Ding, let the match begin.
Ed J,You have the right idea about this forum! Nothing but short bouts of fighting going on here in foolish words.
The only difference between an actual boxing match and what goes on here is that here the fight never ends.
Hi Frank,All rudimentary logic needs is a better to understanding of “the big picture”.
Arguing over segmented understanding is irrelevant .God bless
Ed J
Ed J,This is why I am growing tired of arguing over the irrelevant segmented understanding and the backbiting that goes on in this forum.
I myself would rather present “the big picture” as you have put it all in one post.
I offer presented help to all with worldly perspective through a compelling amount of statistical information
intended to provide aid to the understanding of spiritual truths. God created and gave us perceptions so that
all the world’s complexities could be selectively perceived on a personal level as well as spiritually on a collective
level. Pre-drawn conclusions, even if correct, seem to meet resistance through worldly perception.Religionists sometimes even label new materials as ‘apostate’ based on misled opinions of truth. Fragmented
information then, leading to the correct conclusion is better than “all-out discloser” because there is less resistance.
This type of information can be seen as complete truth. Correct conclusions, based on understood information, allow for
clearer choices. Choice is intended for our unencumbered growth.When fragmented information fails human perception from reaching the correct conclusion,
all out disclosure then becomes necessary. This new form of fragmentized all out disclosure can be
seen as complete truth and should give people the information needed necessary for obtaining true “Bible Perception”.Bible Perception=151
LORD of Hosts=151 (The AKJV Bible)
Jesus Christ=151 (The New Testament)
Holy Spirit=151 (Old and New Testament)
The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2, 26:4)(LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)
(Trinity and non-Trinity, can both views be correct?)Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2012,02:03) Reason #1 Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.
Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue(that is English) will he speak to this people.1Cor.14:27 (AKJV) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two(Hebrew, Aramaic),
or at the most by three(Greek), and that by course; [and let one (“AKJV Bible”) translate].The “AKJV Bible” we have today was no accident, it's exactly the way GOD wanted it!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi ED,
It is dangerous to ADDHi ED,
You sayI gave you the answer, met the requirements;
now you are trying to change the requirements
because YOU do not want to accept the answer.
Arguing over segmented understanding 'is irrelevant'.Where did you get the idea that the ideas of men can line us as equal witnesses to the WISDOM OF GOD?
Do you really think this meets God's standards of witnesses?
Theologians will love you.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2012,06:37) Hi ED,
You sayI gave you the answer, met the requirements;
now you are trying to change the requirements
because YOU do not want to accept the answer.
Arguing over segmented understanding 'is irrelevant'.Where did you get the idea that the ideas of men can line us as equal witnesses to the WISDOM OF GOD?
Do you really think this meets God's standards of witnesses?
Theologians will love you.
Hi Nick,Are you saying that you do not love me?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgDeut 32:1-6 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb,
and as the showers upon the grass: 3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation. 6 Do ye thus
requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?Ezek 3:25-27 But thou, O son of man, behold, they shall put bands upon thee, and shall bind thee with them,
and thou shalt not go out among them: 26 And I will make thy tongue cleave to the roof of thy mouth,
that thou shalt be dumb, and shalt not be to them a reprover: for they are a rebellious house. 27
But when I speak with thee, I will open thy mouth, and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith
; He that heareth, let him hear; and he that forbeareth, let him forbear: for they are a rebellious house.Quote (Jodi Lee @ Mar. 14 2012,16:05) I am not Catholic, so WHY ON EARTH would I trust their biblical cannon? Within the early Catholic church there existed debates on what writings should and should not be included into the cannon. As well, debates existed on who Jesus was and was not.
Personally believing that the Catholic “fathers” were far from being true Christians led by the Holy Spirit, I question their cannon.
One of the books that calls out to me the most as being false is the The Gospel of John. I do not believe that it could have been written by a person under the Holy Spirit.
Knowing how pagan minded the Catholic “fathers” were, why would I trust their cannon?
Why not question and investigate the books they selected?….the cannon Christians consider the “word of God”.
The New Testament exists because of the emperor Constantine. Prior, there was no New Testament, what existed were many different Christian churches using various believed “God inspired” books. Some of these books made it into the NT while others did not. There was much debate over which books were “inspired”. The Emperor's purpose ONLY had to do with political gain, wanting everyone united through a single defined religious belief. His lackeys making the decisions were not men led by the Holy Spirit, but pagan converts heavily influenced by Plato, Philo and gnosticism. Books were chosen, changed and then burned. Those who didn't agree and follow were excommunicated or murdered.Where does one go from here? I certainly CANNOT call the NT a “Holy Work”, or “God's Inspired word”, that to me is disgraceful. Who wrote these books and when?.. of many we don't actually know. Why do Christians deny the blatant contradictions?…trying to create a “truthful” understanding by combining books together of which NEVER had such an intention?
As of now, I will simply have stick with the agreed known authentic works of the Apostle Paul.
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