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Quote (kejonn @ July 07 2007,08:53) Hi Nick, Your explanation on the difference between what Jesus did in John and what happened on the day of Pentacost is some heavy eisegesis
. Thanks in any case.
Hi kj.
Read again Acts 10
” 38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth
with the Holy Ghost
and
with power
: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. “and
Matthew 4:2323And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom,
and
healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
Matthew 9:6
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.ps
again look at Heb 6
” 4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,5And have tasted the good word of God,
AND
the powers of the world to come,
6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. “
Note the gift of the Holy Spirit is separate from the powers.
Quote Note the gift of the Holy Spirit is separate from the powers. Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
After the Holy Spirit comes upon you shall receive power. What other power is there but the power of GOD! Does Satan raise the dead?
IHN&L,
Ken
Hi K,
Not everyone who receives the Holy Spirit receives powers. Power is of the gifts of the Spirit. We are told to seek these in 1Cor 12.Yes there are false powers from Satan as Revelation shows.
Hi kejonn:
The following I view as symbolic of God breathing the breathe of life into the First Adam's nostrils and he becoming a living soul. They did not actually receive the Holy Ghost until the day of Pentecost.
Quote John 20:21-24 – So Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.” But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. Apparently, it was necessary to ascend to his exalted position of the Father before he could baptize someone with the Holy Spirit as he states:
Quote Joh 16:7
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.As to the other differences that you mention, the best answer that I can give is: I don't know. Perhaps details or observations of these events are not what we can call scripture that is inspired by the Holy Ghost, and are the disciples individual's recollection of what transpired. The differences don't change the fact that Judas was the disciple that betrayed the Lord. And the differences of the events regarding who was in what postion or who did what at the cross and the tomb do not change the fact of the crucifixation or the resurrection. But of course, we need to pray and ask God for understanding of this in that we as Christians need to be able to explain these differences to skeptics.
God Bless
Hi 94,
They already were living souls.
It seems there were given the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said
“Receive the Holy Spirit”Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2007,08:25) Hi 94,
They already were living souls.
It seems there were given the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said
“Receive the Holy Spirit”
Hi Nick:Re-reading the scripture where Jesus breathed on them telling them to receive the Holy Spirit, it appears that this is the way that he is commissioning them for the ministry.
But then he tells them in the following scripture not to depart from Jerusalem until they receive the Holy Ghost.
Quote Lu 24:49
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.What do you mean by your statement, “they were already living souls”.
Hi Nick:
In the Acts, the following scripture shows evidence that they received the Holy Spirit through the tongues that were spoken through them. There was not evidence in the spripture where Jesus breathed on them.
Quote Acts 2
2:1
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2:2
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
2:3
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
2:4
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
2:5Quote (942767 @ July 09 2007,08:44) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2007,08:25) Hi 94,
They already were living souls.
It seems there were given the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said
“Receive the Holy Spirit”
Hi Nick:Re-reading the scripture where Jesus breathed on them telling them to receive the Holy Spirit, it appears that this is the way that he is commissioning them for the ministry.
But then he tells them in the following scripture not to depart from Jerusalem until they receive the Holy Ghost.
Quote Lu 24:49
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.What do you mean by your statement, “they were already living souls”.
Hi 94,
All men are living souls.
Jesus told them rather to wait” until ye be endued with POWER from on high. “
Isa 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, [even] a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise [men] shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent [men] shall be hid.
¶ Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us? Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?John delivers his thoughts as Laws, without lifting a hand to relieve any burden, observe,
Expecting us to receive, without any explanation of why, whereby people spend there life time arguing over what John meant by what he said Jesus said
If this book cannot be put to the side, and the truth found within the other writings, of the fathers prophets, as we are have been requested to observe them and not forsake, there is something to revalued
I don’t not believe that the lives that been acquired, generation after generation spent, justifying this mans words from a disciple Book, Have pleased God.
The Pharisees had no choice but to reset there Law using the powerful Life and coming of Christ as there, new leader commander of their Army, the greatest Abomination, of the last beast mixed with iron clay, that turned the Prophet Daniel white in his vision at the way it crushed and devoured the children, until the Kingdom was turned over to the Saints of the most High.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 [That] made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; [that] opened not the house of his prisoners? (The Nations ears opened, they Fall away from His works)2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.He shall sit in the Mt of the congregation ,Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2007,09:44) Quote (942767 @ July 09 2007,08:44) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2007,08:25) Hi 94,
They already were living souls.
It seems there were given the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said
“Receive the Holy Spirit”
Hi Nick:Re-reading the scripture where Jesus breathed on them telling them to receive the Holy Spirit, it appears that this is the way that he is commissioning them for the ministry.
But then he tells them in the following scripture not to depart from Jerusalem until they receive the Holy Ghost.
Quote Lu 24:49
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.What do you mean by your statement, “they were already living souls”.
Hi 94,
All men are living souls.
Jesus told them rather to wait” until ye be endued with POWER from on high. “
Hi Nick:You say:
Quote Hi 94,
All men are living souls.I disagree with this statement. Men may be walking around and breathing but they are not alive to God. We are alive to God when we have been raised from the dead by His Spirit.
Quote Col 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;Hi 94,
Was Adam a living soul or not?
Has he passed on that life to us?Jas 2
“26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”Do we have a human spirit from God that gives us life?
So the Son became the source of eternal life for us.
We live now and we live forever in the living Spirit.We have the well to go to [ec12]
till we find the fountain that wells up to eternal life.[Jn7]Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2007,10:05) Hi charity,
Are you above the One Who wrote the books through men?
I am sorry that what I have said comes with a great offence
But John is looking after a garden that the flowers refuse to grow, over taken by the foxes, that the Sons Of God, now have no place to lay their headsHi charity,
The rain is still pure.
The bread is still sweet.
The waters are refreshing still.What can mere man do?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2007,10:23) Hi 94,
Was Adam a living soul or not?
Has he passed on that life to us?Jas 2
“26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”Do we have a human spirit from God that gives us life?
So the Son became the source of eternal life for us.
We live now and we live forever in the living Spirit.We have the well to go to [ec12]
till we find the fountain that wells up to eternal life.[Jn7]
Hi Nick:Adam was a living soul, but God's instructions to him were not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and told him that the consequence of disobedience would be death. He disobeyed God and he died first spiritually and then physically.
Quote Jas 2
“26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”The above scripture states the body without the spirit is dead. Breathe of life might give life to your body, but the soul is dead to God unless a man has been born of water and of the Spirit and is striving to obey God's commandments, and repenting when he makes a mistake.
Quote John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh * * profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.Quote Eph 2:1
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;God Bless
Hi Nick:
We have already established that the soul is dead to God if a person is in sin by the following scripture:
Quote Ephesians 2
2:1
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;And the following scripture states:
Quote 5:12
Wherefore *, as by one man(Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:And Adam did die physically. There shouldn't be any question about that.
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