The arian dissenters

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 03 2010,04:32)

Hi TT,
The whole biography?
You have just suggested he BECAME GOD.

God does not become God.
Jesus is the Son of God

Nick,

Aahhhhhhhhhh! I said that Jesus became the “only Master and Lord.” You say that I suggest that He became God. I thought the terms “Lord” and “God” were not equal terms in your thinking?

thinker

January 2, 2010 at 5:41 pm#168200

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Hi TT,
You have told us of how God blessed His son in so many ways yet still claim he is that God??

January 2, 2010 at 5:55 pm#168201

Participant

Hi TT,
There is no shadow of turning in our God so all the effort you put into Jesus having been or becoming God only weakens further the trinity premise.

January 2, 2010 at 7:08 pm#168218

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 03 2010,04:55)

Hi TT,
There is no shadow of turning in our God so all the effort you put into Jesus having been or becoming God only weakens further the trinity premise.

I never said that Jesus BECAME God. I have always maintained that He was eternal God but was made low like a servant and was consequently exalted and made “Lord.”

You show that in your own thinking that the title “Lord” in reference to Jesus implies that He has equality with God. Why else would you say that when I call Him “only Master and Lord” I suggest that He became God? The hole you dug is deep Nick.

The whole creation worships the Father AND the Lamb. Why do you dissent Nick?

thinker

January 2, 2010 at 7:17 pm#168222

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Hi TT,
So GOD and LORD are not equivalent terms now?

January 2, 2010 at 9:44 pm#168247

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Quote (princess of the king @ Jan. 01 2010,21:16)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 02 2010,09:23)

Is that all you have?

I think you still refuse to see that Jesus is not in the flesh anymore.

wj, by your teachings, he kicked out his god and took over his throne.

you teach roman style.

don't you have children to lure in with candy and music, what did you do for the winter solice, gifts and drinks. how many did you snatch up this time, how many did you bring to your god. tis the season eh wj.

What ever happened to loving your enemys?

January 2, 2010 at 9:54 pm#168248

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Quote (princess of the king @ Jan. 01 2010,21:16)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 02 2010,09:23)

Is that all you have?

I think you still refuse to see that Jesus is not in the flesh anymore.

wj, by your teachings, he kicked out his god and took over his throne.

you teach roman style.

Is that all you have but lame accusations?

I feel the hate from you guys. Why so much animosity?

It’s amazing to me how you guys cannot refute what we say but create diversions and began with all kinds of attacks and accusations.

Why don't you jump in there and address my points and prove where what Jack and I say is wrong?

Tell you what, I challenge you to a friendly debate in the debates thread, just you and I on the subject, “Is Jesus God”, what do you say, eh?

January 2, 2010 at 10:59 pm#168261

martian

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Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 30 2009,03:24)

Gene said:

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Thinker………I worship the FATHER (ONLY) as the ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD, as Jesus said, YOU on the other hand worship Three MYSTERIOUS FORMS of GOD. The GOD I worship is SPIRIT and Has NEVER Been FLESH. He lives vicariously through His creation His spirit is in all things that has Life in them. He operates through the MINDS of HIS Childern and that includes Jesus and all who Have His Spirit in them. NO TRIUNE ANYTHING, ALL WHO TEACH AND PREACH THE TRINITY ARE (IDOLATERS) and false teachers.;

TO ALL:

Gene claims that he worships the Father only. But the whole creation worships the Father and the Son:

“And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:

'Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!' “

Gene and others here pride themselves that they are dissenters from the Catholic Church. But in reality they dissent from the rest of creation which worships both the Father and the Son. While the rest of creation worships in God's way Gene and others decide for themselves how they will worship God. This is what dissenters do. They go their own way.

thinker

With the proper meaning of “worship” it is quite proper to worship both.
Worship is not specified for God only. It simply means to bow down in respect. I am sure Gene and the others you mentioned would have no problem doing that.

January 2, 2010 at 10:59 pm#168263

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2010,21:19)

no i still have one who will not fail,

at the end wen judgement will come then we will be separated because you are a idole worshiper and i am not .

so let leave it at that and let Christ be are judge. i am confident that we will both recieve what reward or punishment we deserve.amen

You say…

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2010,21:19)

…because you are a idole worshiper and i am not .

But then you say…

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2010,21:19)

so let leave it at that and let Christ be are judge.

HMMM?

You do realize that if you consider anything or anyone your “Only Lord and Master” other than God, that would be “Idolatry” don't you?

January 2, 2010 at 11:56 pm#168279

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Martian said to thethinker:

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So the One who sits on the throne along with the Lamb should receive no more than respect? Verses 11-12 say this:

Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice:

“ Worthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”

It says the Lamb receives “power” and “riches” and “wisdom” and strength.” Then verse 13 that One who sits upon the throne AND the Lamb receive “blessing” and “honor” and “glory” and “power.”

You might want to re-think your “respect” explanation.

Your statement that “worship is not specified for God only” is pure, unadulterated Polytheism.

thinker

January 3, 2010 at 2:00 am#168295

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Hi TT,
From WHOM did the lamb RECEIVE such things?
The lesser is blessed by the greater[Heb7]
So much for your trinity theory.

January 3, 2010 at 10:49 am#168339

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 03 2010,13:00)

Hi TT,
From WHOM did the lamb RECEIVE such things?
The lesser is blessed by the greater[Heb7]
So much for your trinity theory.

It says that the Lamb is WORTHY Nick. God gave Jesus what was due Him and you should do no less.

What about the word “WORTHY” in reference to the Lamb do you not understand?

You are a dissenter Nick.

thinker

January 3, 2010 at 6:22 pm#168371

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Hi TT,
So Jesus is less than his God.
What happened to your trinity idea?

January 5, 2010 at 7:59 pm#168790

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 04 2010,05:22)

Hi TT,
So Jesus is less than his God.
What happened to your trinity idea?

I said that Jesus is “worthy.” So I did infer that Jesus is God didn't I?

thinker

January 5, 2010 at 8:00 pm#168791

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Hi TT,
So God is greater than His Son since He blesses him.[Heb7]
Your trinity is in flames.

January 5, 2010 at 8:04 pm#168794

terraricca

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hi TT
it will soon be in the lake of fire.

January 7, 2010 at 6:14 am#169010

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Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 02 2010,18:56)

Martian said to thethinker:

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So the One who sits on the throne along with the Lamb should receive no more than respect? Verses 11-12 say this:

“ Worthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”

You might want to re-think your “respect” explanation.

Your statement that “worship is not specified for God only” is pure, unadulterated Polytheism.

thinker

Jack

Very good points!

January 7, 2010 at 6:16 am#169012

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Hi wj,
More jolly backslapping among the dissenters from scriptural truth?

January 7, 2010 at 3:18 pm#169035

Constitutionalist

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Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 03 2010,02:49)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 03 2010,13:00)

Hi TT,
From WHOM did the lamb RECEIVE such things?
The lesser is blessed by the greater[Heb7]
So much for your trinity theory.

It says that the Lamb is WORTHY Nick. God gave Jesus what was due Him and you should do no less.

What about the word “WORTHY” in reference to the Lamb do you not understand?

You are a dissenter Nick.

thinker

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It says that the Lamb is WORTHY Nick. God GAVE Jesus what was due Him and you should do no less.

So G-d gives Himself what is due to Himself, why would G-d give Himself something He already has? Another mystery?

January 7, 2010 at 3:33 pm#169036