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- April 5, 2005 at 10:09 pm#41490NickHassanParticipant
Hi,
Is 1.18 raised the issue of the Antichrist, the Son of perdition. I read in the 80s so called “proof” that Kissinger was the man. That has seemingly faded away. Now others say the ruler of Syria or even George W Bush fits the bill. We should really study this area as all information on the endtimes is helpful. We want to be fully prepeared and not miss the God given clues do we not?Who can help here?
April 8, 2005 at 9:34 am#41491ProclaimerParticipantHe is revealed when that which restrains is taken away.
What/who is the restraint?2Thesselonians 2:6
And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wondersYes many have said this person or that person is the antichrist. It may be true that some of these people are antichrists however.
I remember seeing a book in the 80s which suggested that Mikhail Gorbachev was the Antichrist. I guess that mark on his head was an obvious target for the unspiritual.
April 8, 2005 at 10:04 am#41492NickHassanParticipantHi,
2Thess 2 speaks of the antichrist asThe man of lawlessness
The son of destruction and
The lawless oneHis coming is in accord with
The activity of Satan with all power and signs and false wonders,..and
All the deception of wickedness…. for those who perish because they did not receive the love of the TRUTH so as to be saved. For this reason God will send on them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false…So he will be Satan incarnate and hold all those in thrall who do not love the bible and find salvation through it. He will behave as if no law exists, or he is above the law and he will love war, death and destruction.
The spirit of antichrist was from the time of the apostles but now it became incarnate. Satan was too busy being the accuser of the brethren in heaven till he was finally cast to earth and decided on this tack.
Who restrained him? Well since it was for 2000 years it must be angelic as Christ would not be taken out of the way by Satan? Michael?
September 12, 2005 at 9:27 pm#41494davidParticipantNick, this seems like a topic you're interested in.
This word means “against (or instead of) Christ.” It occurs a total of five times, singular and plural, all of them in two of John’s epistles.
The subject was not new among the Christians when John wrote his letters (c. 98 C.E.). First John 2:18 states: “Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard that antichrist [Gr., an·ti´khri·stos] is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists; from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour.” John’s statement shows that there are many individual antichrists, though all together they may form a composite person designated “the antichrist.” (2Jo 7) The use of the expression “hour” as referring to a period of time, either relatively brief or of undetermined length, is exemplified in other writings of John. (See Joh 2:4; 4:21-23; 5:25, 28; 7:30; 8:20; 12:23, 27.) He thus did not restrict the appearance, existence, and activity of such antichrist to some future time only but showed that the antichrist was then present and would continue on.—1Jo 4:3.
September 12, 2005 at 9:29 pm#41495davidParticipantIdentification. Although there has been much effort in the past to identify “the antichrist” with an individual, such as Pompey, Nero, or Muhammad (this latter person being suggested by Pope Innocent III in 1213 C.E.), or with a specific organization, as in the Protestant view of “the antichrist” as applying to the papacy, John’s inspired statements show the term to be broad in its application, embracing all those who deny that “Jesus is the Christ,” and who deny that Jesus is the Son of God who came “in the flesh.”—1Jo 2:22; 4:2, 3; 2Jo 7, NE, NIV; compare Joh 8:42, 48, 49; 9:22.
Denial of Jesus as the Christ and as the Son of God of necessity embraces the denial of any or all of the Scriptural teachings concerning him: his origin, his place in God’s arrangement, his fulfillment of the prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures as the promised Messiah, his ministry and teachings and prophecies, as well as any opposition to or efforts to replace him in his position as God’s appointed High Priest and King. This is evident from other texts, which, while not using the term “antichrist,” express essentially the same idea. Thus, Jesus stated: “He that is not on my side is against me, and he that does not gather with me scatters.” (Lu 11:23) Second John 7 shows that such ones might act as deceivers, and hence the “antichrist” would include those who are “false Christs” and “false prophets,” as well as those who perform powerful works in Jesus’ name and yet are classed by him as “workers of lawlessness.”—Mt 24:24; 7:15, 22, 23.
In view of Jesus’ rule that what is done to his true followers is done to him (Mt 25:40, 45; Ac 9:5), the term must include those who persecute such ones, which means it would include the symbolic “Babylon the Great” and those described as the “evil slave” in Jesus’ parable.—Lu 21:12; Re 17:5, 6; Mt 24:48-51.
John specifically mentions apostates as among those of the antichrist by referring to those who “went out from us,” abandoning the Christian congregation. (1Jo 2:18, 19) It therefore includes “the man of lawlessness” or “son of destruction” described by Paul, as well as the “false teachers” Peter denounces for forming destructive sects and who “disown even the owner that bought them.”—2Th 2:3-5; 2Pe 2:1;
Kingdoms, nations, and organizations are similarly shown to be part of the antichrist in the symbolic description at Revelation 17:8-15; 19:19-21.—Compare Ps 2:1, 2.
In all the above cases those composing the antichrist are shown to be headed for eventual destruction as a recompense for their opposing course.
September 12, 2005 at 9:43 pm#41497NickHassanParticipantQuote (david @ Sep. 12 2005,22:27) Nick, this seems like a topic you're interested in. This word means “against (or instead of) Christ.” It occurs a total of five times, singular and plural, all of them in two of John’s epistles.
The subject was not new among the Christians when John wrote his letters (c. 98 C.E.). First John 2:18 states: “Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard that antichrist [Gr., an·ti´khri·stos] is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists; from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour.” John’s statement shows that there are many individual antichrists, though all together they may form a composite person designated “the antichrist.” (2Jo 7) The use of the expression “hour” as referring to a period of time, either relatively brief or of undetermined length, is exemplified in other writings of John. (See Joh 2:4; 4:21-23; 5:25, 28; 7:30; 8:20; 12:23, 27.) He thus did not restrict the appearance, existence, and activity of such antichrist to some future time only but showed that the antichrist was then present and would continue on.—1Jo 4:3.
Hi david,
What is a composite man?
What John and Paul were saying is that
there is a person called the antichrist
and
there is an antichrist spirit-the spirit of love of tradition. The yeast of the pharisees that is religious but hated Christ enough to kill him.October 2, 2005 at 10:00 pm#41498NickHassanParticipantHi,
Where is this man-religious but profane?October 3, 2005 at 2:20 am#41499EliyahParticipantQuote This word means “against (or instead of) Christ.” It is very evident that this anti-messiah teaching is using another person and a different name instead of or in place of Yahweh and Yahshua the original name and Person that the Desciples proclaimed or used in the original scriptures and is teaching lawlessness against the Commandments.
This started in the Desciples lifetime and was given recognition of authority by Constantine and this deception of substitution of Name and doctrines of the original Apostles has been going on ever since in modern Catholicism and Protestantism teachings concerning another name and a different messiah, as all these denominations teach against the Commandments that the true Messiah said to do and keep and obey ( Matt.5:19; Matt.19:17;Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; John 15:10; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:22-24; 1 John 5:2-6; 1 Cor.7:19; Rev.12:17; Rev.14:12; Rev.22:14) which is the will of the Father( Matt.7:21) as this is the whole duty of man( Ecc.12:13) that all these religious denominations teach against His Commandments.
Eliyah C.
October 3, 2005 at 2:40 am#41500NickHassanParticipantQuote (david @ Sep. 12 2005,22:27) Nick, this seems like a topic you're interested in. This word means “against (or instead of) Christ.” It occurs a total of five times, singular and plural, all of them in two of John’s epistles.
The subject was not new among the Christians when John wrote his letters (c. 98 C.E.). First John 2:18 states: “Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard that antichrist [Gr., an·ti´khri·stos] is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists; from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour.” John’s statement shows that there are many individual antichrists, though all together they may form a composite person designated “the antichrist.” (2Jo 7) The use of the expression “hour” as referring to a period of time, either relatively brief or of undetermined length, is exemplified in other writings of John. (See Joh 2:4; 4:21-23; 5:25, 28; 7:30; 8:20; 12:23, 27.) He thus did not restrict the appearance, existence, and activity of such antichrist to some future time only but showed that the antichrist was then present and would continue on.—1Jo 4:3.
Hi, david.
Composite person??No . I think unless proven so words mean what they say and the antichrist is a person. Is he the beast?October 3, 2005 at 7:45 am#41501EliyahParticipantQuote This word means “against (or instead of) Christ.” The Messiah held obedience to His Father’s commands so highly, that he said, “Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, BUT ONLY HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER…” (Matt. 7:21).
What is the will of the Father?
There is plenty of evidence in both the Old and New Testaments that He wills for your obedience (Gen. 26:5, Lev. 26:3, Num. 15:39-40, Deut. 11:1, 11:13, 11:26-28, 13:4-18, 15:5, 26:17, 27:10, 28, 30:8-10, Joshua 22:5, 1 Sam. 12:14-15, 1 Kings 3:14, 8:61, 2 Kings 17:13, 2 Chron. 24:20, Neh. 1:5-9, Psalm 119:60, Dan. 9:4, John 14:21, John 15:10, Acts 17:30, 1 Cor. 7:19, 1 John 2:3, 3:22, 3:24, 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Rev. 3:2-3).
It is very evident that this anti-messiah teaching is using another person and a different name instead of or in place of the correct Names of ' Yahweh and Yahshua ' the original names and Persons that the Desciples proclaimed or used in the original scriptures and is teaching lawlessness against the Commandments.
The teachings of modern Catholicism and Protestantism teaches in another name and of a different messiah, as all these denominations teach against the Commandments that the true Messiah said to do and keep and obey ( Matt.5:19; Matt.19:17;Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; John 15:10; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:22-24; 1 John 5:2-6; 1 Cor.7:19; Rev.12:17; Rev.14:12; Rev.22:14) which is the will of the Father( Matt.7:21) as this is the whole duty of man( Ecc.12:13) and most all these religious denominations teach against His Commandments.
The Messiah also states that many that call him LORD, LORD and will say to Him “did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?” (Matt. 7:22).
It sounds like these people literally drove out demons and performed miracles in the Messiah’s name.
And what does he tell them?
Depart from Me, you that work INIQUITY.
What is iniquity ?
The same phrase in the N.A.S.B. is, “you who practice lawlessness”.
What is lawlessness?
The word lawlessness is derived from the Greek word anomia, meaning, “illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness: – iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) of the law( See 1 John 3:4), unrighteousness.” (Strong’s G458).
Who proclaims a christ and practices lawlessness, or claims the law is abolished or not taught today?
It is not those who uphold the Law (Note Romans 3:31).
If you really loved Yah with everything you had, you would joyfully obey all of his commands.
His “laws” would be not only in your head, but also written on your heart. (Note Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:10).
You would love your neighbors as yourself and would treat them, as you would want them to treat you. According to the Messiah you would also, “do what I have been doing.” (John 14:12).
This deception of substitution of Names and doctrines of the original Apostles has been going on ever since in modern Catholicism and Protestantism teachings concerning other names and a totally different messiah, which they claim that he nailed the commandments to a cross, however, what and who was nailed to the stake was the true Saviour Yahshua Messiah.
In ( 1 Tim.4:1-2) Paul said that the spirit speaks expressly and says that in the LATTER TIMES some shall depart from the faith( original faith and teachings that they were teaching then), and give heed to seducing spirits, AND DOCTRINES OF DEMONS; and speaking lies in HYPOCRISY( Hypocrits), and having their conscience( MINDS) seared with a hot iron.
The sad fact is, that most all modern Catholicism and Protestantism practices ” syncretisim “ of pagan doctrines and teachings of demons( Note Rev.9:20; Rev.13:3-4, 8 ) such as christmas, easter, sun-day observance, and even idol title names of other deities have been so-called christianized and changed in meaning, in which they think in their minds it is now ok, and that the true Creator will change and accept it too, however, the Creator says He NEVER CHANGES ( Mal.3:6), and will not accept such idolatry worship and Hypocrisy.
We don't have to wait for Anti-Messiah's to come, for they have been here for a long time, for they are all arround you, and you have not even noticed them.
Eliyah C.
October 3, 2005 at 9:22 am#41502NickHassanParticipantHi,
The antichrist is a person who arises at a time when religion is dead and intellectual. Power is decried and rebellion against God in it's many forms is rampant. Hypocrites preach love but foment hatred. Diversions draw men away from simplicity into sideshows. He should be visible soon enough.October 3, 2005 at 10:45 am#41503EliyahParticipantAnti-Messiah's are many John plainly said so, and those who deny that also deny scripture, which also teach lawlessness as all this worlds religious Organizations do, however, the scriptures speak of a man of sin who is also known as the man of lawlessness( 1 John 3:4) who is to be revealed.
And all the Denominations teach lawlessness to Yah and Messiah's Commandments, as the many many scriptures that I gave in the above posts.
Those who teach against all those Commandments above, and do not uphold them and establish them as Paul plainly said ( Rom.3:31), as faith in Messiah does not make void the Law, then those teachers are false as they teach lawlessness, as that is exactly what sin is, it is lawlessness( 1 John 3:4), as they teach the man of sin doctrines of lawlessness.
Who are the teachers today who fit that description ?
October 3, 2005 at 11:04 am#41504EliyahParticipantSin is the transgression of the law( 1 John 3:4), and John said there were many Anti-Messiah's in the world even in his day( 1 Jon 2:18), and the man of sin ( 2 Thess.2:3-4), which he is also called the man of lawlessness, which most all religious Organizations today teach faith only, however, Paul taught that faith in Messiah DID NOT MAKE VOID THE LAW, but rather we are to establish the law.( Rom.3:31).
Those who argue against the Commandments, are falling for the the man of sin or man of lawlessness and his deceptions of teachings plain and simple.
October 3, 2005 at 11:13 am#41505EliyahParticipantWhat is the will of the Father Yahweh is obedience to Him He wills for your obedience (Gen. 26:5, Lev. 26:3, Num. 15:39-40, Deut. 11:1, 11:13, 11:26-28, 13:4-18, 15:5, 26:17, 27:10, 28, 30:8-10, Joshua 22:5, 1 Sam. 12:14-15, 1 Kings 3:14, 8:61, 2 Kings 17:13, 2 Chron. 24:20, Neh. 1:5-9, Psalm 119:60, Dan. 9:4, John 14:21, John 15:10, Acts 17:30, 1 Cor. 7:19, 1 John 2:3, 3:22, 3:24, 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Rev. 3:2-3).
, which is obedience to His laws and Commandments
( Matt.5:19; Matt.19:17;Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; John 15:10; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:22-24; 1 John 5:2-6; 1 Cor.7:19; Rev.12:17; Rev.14:12; Rev.22:14) which is the will of the Father( Matt.7:21) as this is the whole duty of man( Ecc.12:13) and most all these religious denominations teach against His Commandments.And that is an undeniable fact of a many cloud of witnesses of men scriptures in His written Word that cannot be denied, and scriptures cannot be broken.
October 3, 2005 at 11:27 am#41506EliyahParticipantHypocrits teach pagan idiols of made traditions of syncretisim which is combined or mixed in with and in place of substitution for Yah and Messiah's true teachings and their Commandments( Mark 7:6-13).
People better wake up those facts that many many scriptures prove to be the will of the true Father Yahweh and Messiah Yahshua.
October 3, 2005 at 11:47 am#41507EliyahParticipantI wonder who and how many will deny what is the will of the Father which is obedience ?
There is plenty of evidence in both the Old and New Testaments that He wills for your obedience (Gen. 26:5, Lev. 26:3, Num. 15:39-40, Deut. 11:1, 11:13, 11:26-28, 13:4-18, 15:5, 26:17, 27:10, 28, 30:8-10, Joshua 22:5, 1 Sam. 12:14-15, 1 Kings 3:14, 8:61, 2 Kings 17:13, 2 Chron. 24:20, Neh. 1:5-9, Psalm 119:60, Dan. 9:4, John 14:21, John 15:10, Acts 17:30, 1 Cor. 7:19, 1 John 2:3, 3:22, 3:24, 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Rev. 3:2-3).
And how many will deny that Yah and Messiah's obedience is to all these Commandments? ( Matt.5:19; Matt.19:17;Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; John 15:10; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:22-24; 1 John 5:2-6; 1 Cor.7:19; Rev.12:17; Rev.14:12; Rev.22:14) that He plainly demands of the of His New Covenant Assembly( Jer.31:30-34; Hebrews 8:10) ?
Who will deny the true Father Yah's will( Matt.7:22-23)?
October 3, 2005 at 12:13 pm#41508EliyahParticipantJohn also asks, “” Who is a liar but he that denies that Yahshua( the true Name of the Son) is the Messiah? He is Anti-Messiah, that denies the Father( and His true Name of Yahweh) and the Son( The true Name of Yahshua)( 1 John 2:22).
As I said above in the posts, all Anti-Messiah's deny and use substitute pagan name title deities in place of and a different messiah, and they teach lawlessness against Yah and Messiah's true Names, and against their Commmandments.
Who will deny obedience to their true Names and all their Commandments, which is the will of the true Father Yah( Matt.7:22-23) ?
October 3, 2005 at 6:39 pm#41509NickHassanParticipantHi,
1 Jn 2.18f
” as you heard that antichrist is coming….This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son”October 5, 2005 at 8:35 am#41510EliyahParticipantTraditional christianity has denied the true Father Yah( Psalms 68:4), and the true Messiah( Yahushua) by denying their true Names, and they teach lawlessness to Yah's Commandments which is His will for man, instead of establishing the Law( Rom.3:31) as Paul wrote, which lawlessness- is the man of sin doctrines( 2 Thess.2:3-4), because sin is dis-obedience to the Law 1 John 3:4, and they practice the doctrines of demons( 1 Tim.4:1), for even the demons believe in Yah and Messiah and tremble( James 2) but they will not do and obey the Commandments.
This is WHY Rev.18:2 says that Babylon has become the habitation OF DEVILS( DEMONS), and the hold of every foul spirit, and unclean and hateful bird, and the doctrines of the man of sin is Lawlessness, which is also the doctrines of demons.
October 5, 2005 at 8:51 pm#41511NickHassanParticipantHi,
The antichrist is likely to be a church member…but a member of the traditional church-the whore of Babylon. He is likely to show support for traditional doctrines and seem pious in his ways. He may well offer support to the pope or other leaders. He may falsely claim to be born again. He may speak about God and claim God's support in his work. He may speak in religious ways and be well supported by religious people. He will assume great power. - AuthorPosts
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