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The AMILL. doctrine teachings. We need scriptural proof that it is so.
1. The kingdom has come since Christ resurrection.
2. Christ is ruling now for 2000years , not in a literal sense; it really means 0ne thousand years.(twist).
3. Satan was locked up (bound)one thousand years ago. will be release soon. This means satan is not guilty of all the wars in between.
He is not that bad after all, mankind is bad.
4. Christ kingdom are those that are true Christians; and the saints are ruling over them now?
I suppose they are their priests and ministers.
4. This means that they can not use the Lords prayer, because it says thy kingdom come, for them; it has come.
2000years ago. This has been fulfilled. So should be, thy kingdom has come; and thy will is done.
5. They are in the kingdom right now, living in peace, they think they are anyway. If true, what about rev 20?
the saints heads cut off where is logic? They are in the kingdom and their heads are cut off? And what about the rest? The no tears, no pain, no sorrows, no wars, and what about the animals don’t bite. I can see a big hole here. Please explain why?
6. I like to know what they have to say about this?
7. The strong man had to be bound first they say, and this happened when? They even can not tell, for sure.
Is it at the resurrection or one thousand years later, or is it coming soon, all guess work. Can not go by guess work.
8. So what about Isaiah 11 and 65? Where does all that fit into the picture. That has not happened?
And the jews; suppose to be grafted back on to the natural branch. Please explain?
Is it done or future? I like to know what they have to say about this? And about the melting of the earth?
When, how? Please explain, and clarify, don’t keep us in suspense.
9. What about the second resurrection, remember it is suppose to be a new earth , where are the graves? what about the second death?
Because satan and his angels should have been cast into the fire before the new earth.? Death should be no more?
They need to explain all that; to justify their doctrine.
10. If Christ is ruling for the past 2000years with a rod of iron amongst the true believers only, then why need to test them?
and put them through the tribulation? Are they all not, already in the kingdom? Why put multitudes through the fire?
They suppose to have entered into the kingdom. They are suppose to be the chosen ones. Why. Why. Why? We all need to know.
They need to justify their doctrine, and proof to us Post mills. that we are wrong and they are right.
Shouting will not do the trick. We need scriptural evidence, and explanations, justify your doctrine.
11. And when will God be on earth with all his children? And when will we see His face?
All those cracks in the picture needs to be explained, because there are so many of them.
This is important to show us post mills. So we can change our doctrine, and become one with you.
12. Also need to be clear about satan and his angels not cast in the fire at the coming. Explain!
But he and his angels will be destroyed just before the second resurrection. explain!
I can clearly see, they are standing on very soft sand, ready to fall, but have great confidence; because they don’t know.
They have been deceived and like to stay that way; it is like admiring and worshipping some football club, or some political party.
The party first, and the people? Don’t worry about the people. As long as we are in power. Is that not How it is?
That is the spirit of Babylon the great. Not good.
Hi all you Amills. We are waiting for your clarifications? And don’t shoot the messenger, but the message.
The message has a strong back up defence system. Make sure you come with all your heavy artillery.
We are ready for the assault.
Shalom all.
wakeup.
Wkeup, I have assignments to do, I don’t have time for this. Most people here, I think believe as you do… so I guess you are alone in your “debate”!
Camellia.
Ok. I will be waiting for someone else of your believe system to make a comment.
Cheers.
wakeup.
Hi camellia.
You were mentioning the strong man.
Jesus was using that parable to reflect His coming.
Before He can take over the world, He must bind satan first.
And that is what He will do.wakeup.
Hi Camellia.
Yes.
Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
(AN ANGEL CAME DOWN WITH A KEY OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT).Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, (ONE THOUSAND YEARS).
Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and SHUT HIM UP, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
(NOW ONLY IS HE BOUND). (SHUT HIM UP AND SET A SEAL UPON HIM).Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
(THEN THE JUDGEMENT OF THE SAINTS THAT HAVE MADE IT TO THE END).(THEY HAVE MANAGED NOT TO TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST).
(WHICH IS IN THE LAST DAYS).wakeup.
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
Wakeup, you understand the thousand years to be literal, but not the key and the chain (how do you chain up a spirit?)
Camillia.
Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he/she that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Can you describe the parable of one thousand years?
Does it mean two thousand years to you? Or more?
A key is to open a door or something that is locked.wakeup.
Wakeup, my point is that you take one part of a sentence literally (one thousand years) and not the other part. Unless you also take the great chain used to bind Satan literally too. Surely you don’t.
Where are all the parts that you add in? Where in revelations 20 do you see peace, long life, restoration of land etc? It is not in there. We are warned not to ADD anything to the book!
Camillia,
Just to copy and paste scriptures is of no use, except it is explained.
This is not adding to the substance of the message; but an explanation to the message.
To learn how to divide the scriptures, is very important.
Rev 20 states that the saints will rule as kings and priests.
To rule a kingdom; one needs to have a population to rule over.
To find the answer to that question, you need to go to Isaiah 11 and 65.
The saints will rule over those people living in peace, no pain, no sorrows, no tears etc.
That is the kingdom of Christ and His saints, for one thousand years.
Cheers.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup.
“Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them.”
This is all it says about the “thousand years” in Rev 20- that thrones are set up and judgment is given to them.
Where do you get all that you add? Where does it say there will be peace all over the earth, etc? It does not say that in Revelation 20.When Jesus and the Saints describe the coming kingdom it is eternal, and it is on the new earth and new heaven.
Regardless,
So we know for sure without adding that thrones will be set up and judgment will be given to them.
Go back to Revelations 1:5…” He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
Without adding.
Camellia.
You are jumping too far ahead now.
Step by step. And correct me if I am wrong.
1. The saints will be resurrected at the second coming.
2. The rest of the gentiles that have survived Armageddon will be spared, not killed.
3. All the dead in their graves will stay in their graves.
4. The system and the cities on earth will be no more. Babylon destroyed.
5. Christ will set up his kingdom in Israel, Jerusalem as the city.
6. The jews of all generations will be brought back by choice, by election. They will multiply in their paradise.
This is the grafting back of the natural olive branches to the natural olive tree.
7. They will be living in paradise, they will do the work to scape all the land. They will plant vine yards build houses etc.
8. That will be the kingdom of Christ and his saints.
9. The gentiles that have been spared, will live outside, and multiply also.(satan is not). but this angels yes, but only outside.
10. The teachings will go on for one thousand years. Then, knowledge will cover the earth as the sea cover the earth.
11. After the thousand years; satan will be released to draw all them gentiles that still refuse to be converted.
God will put a hook in satan’s jaw to draw him to the valley of hamongog to attack the camp of the saints, and there they will be destroyed.
12. Satan and his angels are gone now. All the wicked are gone. But there are still the wicked in the graves, and also the good hearted people.
13. Now the second resurrection, of all people of all generations that have never known Christ will be judged by the books, by their deeds.
The sheep put on the right and the goats on the left. The goats cast in the fire.
14. There are no more wicked left, all gone. The sheep will also be changed in spirit form.
15. Now all are spirit creatures. But the physical earth is still full of debris and in the earth full of man made pollution.
16. The earth will be melted down, and a new earth created. The saints will come down to a new earth, and God also will be on earth.
we shall see him face to face. That is it so far.
Shalom.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup.
1. Agree.
2. What does gentiles have to do with anything? The elect christians who remain alive at the coming will be caught up with the resurrected saints.
3. Agree.
4. Not only the cities and system will be destroyed, but the whole world will be destroyed. All that will remain is the elect christians. Then they will be taken up. (I would give verses, but it’s late).
5. Disagree. Nowhere in the new testament does it say that immediately after the rapture a kingdom will be set up in the current Israel. The new Jerusalem comes down from the new heaven onto the new earth.
6,7,8, 9. Here you are getting into a very private interpretation that has no basis in the New Testament. It is found nowhere.
10. Presently being fulfilled.
11. Agree. Except, that will happen shortly and it has nothing to do with the gentiles ‘alone’ but anyone. And “the camp of the saints” may have a spiritual meaning.
12. Agree.
13. Agree.
14. Agree. Not sure about the sheep being changed into spirit form though. What do you mean by that again?
15, 16. The earth will be burnt at the coming. Then there will be a new heavens and a new earth.
we shall see him face to face. That is it so far.
That is not too far.
Camellia.
2. Because God is not finish with the gentiles. The gospels has not been preached to the gentiles, before Christ.
And the jews also. They have to be grafted back on to the olive tree. This will happen during the 1000year period.
God is not going to kill them all, at the coming? God is a righteous judge.
4. The earth will not be destroyed because the kingdom will be set up in Israel. The kingdom will have boundaries, for a reason.
What is created by men on the surface of the earth will be destroyed.
5. Soon after the resurrection Jesus will start with setting up His kingdom on earth in Israel.
You can read about that kingdom in Isaiah 11 and 65.
6,7,8. Not my private interpretation. It is just that you have not discovered the scriptures about the bringing back of the jews.
See. Jer 23. jer.31.
10. Not so. the preaching has been going on for 2000years and God says the land is desolate.(jer 25: 38).
Desolation until the consummation. dan.9.
14. All must be in spirit form ; because God himself will be with us.
15.The earth will not be made new until satan and his angels are destroyed. and until after the 2nd judgement.
wakeup.
2. Because God is not finish with the gentiles. The gospels has not been preached to the gentiles, before Christ.
And the jews also. They have to be grafted back on to the olive tree. This will happen during the 1000year period.
God is not going to kill them all, at the coming? God is a righteous judge.
4. The earth will not be destroyed because the kingdom will be set up in Israel. The kingdom will have boundaries, for a reason.
What is created by men on the surface of the earth will be destroyed.
5. Soon after the resurrection Jesus will start with setting up His kingdom on earth in Israel.
You can read about that kingdom in Isaiah 11 and 65.
6,7,8. Not my private interpretation. It is just that you have not discovered the scriptures about the bringing back of the jews.
See. Jer 23. jer.31.
Wakeup, none of this is found in the new testament. Jesus or the apostles never mentioned anything you (or your crew) mention. Why is that?
10. Not so. the preaching has been going on for 2000years and God says the land is desolate.(jer 25: 38).
Desolation until the consummation. dan.9.
You say that God says the land is desolate. Where in the new testament does it say that? Please show me the scriptures.
The land is desolate?
No.
The land is ripe.
The harvest is plentiful.Then He said to His disciples, “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. “Therefore beseech the Lord of the harvest to send out workers into His harvest.”(Matt 9.37, Luke 10:2)
‘Do you not say, ‘There are yet four months, and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look on the fields, that they are white for harvest. (John 4:35).
14. All must be in spirit form ; because God himself will be with us.
Can’t comment on that Wakeup, because I don’t know for sure.
15.The earth will not be made new until satan and his angels are destroyed. and until after the 2nd judgement.
Wakeup…..
We are up to here now:
Rev 20. When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. 9 And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Next is judgement day.
Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Then is the new heaven and the new earth.
Rev 21. Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.”
Thank you Camillia for responding.
Can you please Write down using numbers, in your own words, just in short.
This way we will not get confused.
Starting with:
1.When was satan put in prison.
2.The kingdom of God.
3. The falling away.
4.What Christ will do after the coming.
5.What will happen to the non Christians, at the coming.
6.The war that will be cut short.
7.Armageddon.
8.The gog and magog war.
9.The 2nd judgement.
10.The new earth.
Thank you camellia.
wakeup
Camillia.
1.You should not separate the old from the new, because they are both the same Word of God.
They are in harmony.2.The new are the gospels, and the book of revelation. Not much prophesies in the gospels.
3.The main prophesies are in the old prophets, and revelation.
4. We need to put the puzzles together(of old and new) to form one perfect picture. Until a perfect picture immerges,
the whole truth has not been found.Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isaiah 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Don’t fall backward and get snared.
wakeup
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