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Quote (Resting @ April 09 2013,11:11) Wakeup,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Would the false prophet sit in a spiritual temple?
The temple will be build for him,in Jerusalem. This is israels dream,to have the temple build,dont you know that?
A god needs his temple. The pope needs the vatican.Nothing to do with christians.
It is due to the falling away of Christianity in the churches sense, and the exposure of the spirit which dwells among them that he who sits there begins with the lying signs and wonders trick.
It has everything to do with Christians so that while they wait for a man to arrive on the scene, satan is working among the Christians completely at ease.
Quote I have explained to you, re' the falseprophet,and the 2horned beast; it seems that you *refuse to see*. No . I am unconvinced, You have not made a good case for your arguement and your statement shows your spirit not mine.
Quote The dragon is a beast;and he is not a group of people,
but one creature. The son of perdition is also a beast,for he
will act as a dragon.He can not be called a decent man;he is an animal.Not so. The bodies of both beasts are a number of people.
The dragon has a tail who are the false prophets (Rev.12) so you have been tricked into thinking it is one man when even the Rev.12 calls the dragon, satan.
Quote By the way; I dont go for strange flesh. wakeup.
What is that supposed to mean?
Res.
Resting.1.You are mistaken,because the false prophet is not only about christian.But the world; he will cause all on this planet to receive his mark. NOT ONLY CHRISTIANS.He will be a world leader.(this planet).
2. The two witnesses are two persons. one—two,(the two olive branches). one—two.(the two anointed ones,zech 4:14.
not agroup of people;I am sure God can count.3.Eating strange flesh meaning,feeding on other books
instead on relying on Christs flesh.(john 6:54–48.).
You have a lot to learn.wakeup.
Quote (Resting @ April 09 2013,11:11) Quote (Wakeup @ April 08 2013,23:19)
By the way; I dont go for strange flesh.wakeup.
What is that supposed to mean?
Res.
HA Ha ha ha!!!“Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh,
are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” (Jude 1:7)Wakeup,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Resting. 1.You are mistaken,because the false prophet is not only about christian.But the world; he will cause all on this planet to receive his mark. NOT ONLY CHRISTIANS.He will be a world leader.(this planet).
It is when much of the Christian world worships the beast that is described as the abomination of desolation.
Quote 2. The two witnesses are two persons. one—two,(the two olive branches). one—two.(the two anointed ones,zech 4:14.
not agroup of people;I am sure God can count.You are blind to the truth of the two witnesses because you have never received that which the early church did.
Quote 3.Eating strange flesh meaning,feeding on other books
instead on relying on Christs flesh.(john 6:54–48.).
You have a lot to learn.wakeup.
So do we all but you rely on the book of Enoch for your interpretations of scripture, not me.
The second beast of Rev.ch 13 is a number of people.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
I could say the little insults to you that you say to me, but you are handicapped as it is.
Res.
Quote (Resting @ April 09 2013,20:14) Wakeup,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Resting. 1.You are mistaken,because the false prophet is not only about christian.But the world; he will cause all on this planet to receive his mark. NOT ONLY CHRISTIANS.He will be a world leader.(this planet).
It is when much of the Christian world worships the beast that is described as the abomination of desolation.
Quote 2. The two witnesses are two persons. one—two,(the two olive branches). one—two.(the two anointed ones,zech 4:14.
not agroup of people;I am sure God can count.You are blind to the truth of the two witnesses because you have never received that which the early church did.
Quote 3.Eating strange flesh meaning,feeding on other books
instead on relying on Christs flesh.(john 6:54–48.).
You have a lot to learn.wakeup.
So do we all but you rely on the book of Enoch for your interpretations of scripture, not me.
The second beast of Rev.ch 13 is a number of people.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
I could say the little insults to you that you say to me, but you are handicapped as it is.
Res.
Resting.The two witnesses are groups of people you say?
The beast out of the earth is a group of people?
Can you give some scriptures please,to support your claim.
wakeup.
Wakeup,April wrote:[/quote]
Hi Res,And when you've answered Wakeup, can you please tell us what you believe the abomination truly is?
Because your answer only created even more questions…
Scripture says that it (the abomination) will be set up in Jerusalem!!
So exactly what is being set up in Jerusalem in your eyes?Quote You are blind to the truth of the two witnesses because you have never received that which the early church did.
Exactly what early church are you talking about?
The real church who met in private houses as recorded in the scriptures never taught what you are saying, they debated between Isaiah Moses and a few others as being of the two witnesses…NEVER as a group of peoples!! (This “tradition” being adopted by the Catholics as in “who” these TWO MEN could be!!)
And the only other “early church” which came into being some 300 odd years after Christ was the Catholic church which was the ONLY “Christian Church” for over a thousand years before the break away occurred ushering in other denominations, and they never taught this either!
So exactly WHAT church are you talking about?
So it seems you are greatly mistaken, this doctrine you are spreading is not old…it is new…so, by your reckoning, you have not received the truth either…Quote So do we all but you rely on the book of Enoch for your interpretations of scripture, not me.
Wrong, you are assuming is all.
Wakeup uses the holy bible and only the holy bible as the authority.
He tested the book of Enoch against scripture is all, we don't “use it” as you claim, but have studied it…and studied it only AFTER learning the scriptures.Quote The second beast of Rev.ch 13 is a number of people. Res, the bible is it's own dictionary, God has already declared what peoples are represented by…WATERS…
God has never said the earth stands for peoples…ever…so show us where God says otherwise.
It's obvious that we are staying true to scriptural explanations (waters=multitudes) and it is actually you who is indulging in cultic practises/doctrines so painfully tainted by new age philosophies.Cheers.
Quote (Devolution @ April 10 2013,03:03) Hi Res, Scripture says that it (the abomination) will be set up in Jerusalem!!
So exactly what is being set up in Jerusalem in your eyes?Cheers.
Hi Devolution,The 'dome of the rock' was set up in 688AD.
Also know Israel was freed from Gentile rule in 1948AD.
1948-688=1260 The 1260 day/year Prophecy “WAS/is” fulfilled!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 10 2013,06:53) Quote (Devolution @ April 10 2013,03:03) Hi Res, Scripture says that it (the abomination) will be set up in Jerusalem!!
So exactly what is being set up in Jerusalem in your eyes?Cheers.
Hi Devolution,The 'dome of the rock' was set up in 688AD.
Also know Israel was freed from Gentile rule in 1948AD.
1948-688=1260 The 1260 day/year Prophecy “WAS/is” fulfilled!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDj.Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the **abomination of desolation**, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Matthew 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Matthew 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Matthew 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matthew 24:21 ***For then shall be great tribulation***, **such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time**, **no, nor ever shall be**.
Matthew 24:22 And **except those days should be shortened**, there should **no flesh be saved**: but for the elect's sake those days *shall be shortened*.
This is so clear that the abomination of desolation is not the setting up of the dome,but the new temple coming.
This is about the last days,not 1260yrs ago.
Accept what the Lord says, dont purposely go against the scriptures. You are kicking against the pricks,and it will hurt.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 09 2013,23:15) Quote (Resting @ April 09 2013,20:14) Quote (Wakeup @ April 09 2013,15:33) Quote Resting. 1.You are mistaken,because the false prophet is not only about christian.But the world; he will cause all on this planet to receive his mark. NOT ONLY CHRISTIANS.He will be a world leader.(this planet).
It is when much of the Christian world worships the beast that is described as the abomination of desolation.
Quote 2. The two witnesses are two persons. one—two,(the two olive branches). one—two.(the two anointed ones,zech 4:14.
not agroup of people;I am sure God can count.You are blind to the truth of the two witnesses because you have never received that which the early church did.
Quote 3.Eating strange flesh meaning,feeding on other books
instead on relying on Christs flesh.(john 6:54–48.).
You have a lot to learn.wakeup.
So do we all but you rely on the book of Enoch for your interpretations of scripture, not me.
The second beast of Rev.ch 13 is a number of people.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
I could say the little insults to you that you say to me, but you are handicapped as it is.
Res.
Resting.The two witnesses are groups of people you say?
The beast out of the earth is a group of people?
Can you give some scriptures please,to support your claim.
wakeup.
Each a number of persons, I have said.2 witnesses=
Act 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
Act 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
Act 4:28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
Act 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
Act 4:30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.The second beast of Rev.13. Which you will not be able to understand.—-
Eze 35:1 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 35:2 Son of man, set thy face against mount Seir, and prophesy against it,
Eze 35:3 And say unto it, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O mount Seir, I am against thee, and I will stretch out mine hand against thee, and I will make thee most desolate.
Eze 35:4 I will lay thy cities waste, and thou shalt be desolate, and thou shalt know that I am the LORD.
Eze 35:5 Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end:
Eze 35:6 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee.
Eze 35:7 Thus will I make mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth out and him that returneth.
Eze 35:8 And I will fill his mountains with his slain men: in thy hills, and in thy valleys, and in all thy rivers, shall they fall that are slain with the sword.
Eze 35:9 I will make thee perpetual desolations, and thy cities shall not return: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Eze 35:10 Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the LORD was there:
Eze 35:11 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will even do according to thine anger, and according to thine envy which thou hast used out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I have judged thee.
Eze 35:12 And thou shalt know that I am the LORD, and that I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume.
Eze 35:13 Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.
Eze 35:14 Thus saith the Lord GOD; When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate.
Eze 35:15 As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD.Eze 36:5 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea, which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.The second beast encompases two nations of people.
Coming out of the earth/land speaks of a religious people who once worshipped the God of their fathers but has since turned away from Him.
Can you not see that the USA today is sliding even further into apostacy than ever, and it is the RCC and Jews who hold the power over the USA and supports the Esau state of Israel in the middle east who reject
Jesus Christ (as a state).It is the second beast who deceives the people by fire coming down from heaven (nuclear bombs) and space travel, by scientific discoveries, evolution, etc.
The real deception which even the elect could be deceived ,comes during the vials when men are looking for Him after the resurrection and before Armageddon (a period of 30 days)when he is moving around among mankind who believed the last witness .
I do not think you can understand this because your beliefs are cemented into your head like some security blanket you hold onto .
Your beliefs are very immature but you do not know that.
Are you from the Bible Students such as Russell was, before they became the JWs. I call them Russelites.
Res.
Devolution,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Hi Res, And when you've answered Wakeup, can you please tell us what you believe the abomination truly is?
Because your answer only created even more questions…
Scripture says that it (the abomination) will be set up in Jerusalem!!
So exactly what is being set up in Jerusalem in your eyes?What scripture says the abom is set up in Jerusalem in particular? (Christ warned true Christians to get out of Jerusalem, not the fakes)
The abom of Des is specific to the churches going after the worship of money and their being led by their governments of human kings.
As I indicated partly to Wakeup, it is the USA who is enforcing the worship of the first beast of nations of Russia, china, India, Europe , Americas, etc by the extension of its so called democracy by the use of the force of money and the gun as shown in the latter part of Daniel ch 11.
Quote Exactly what early church are you talking about?
The real church who met in private houses as recorded in the scriptures never taught what you are saying, they debated between Isaiah Moses and a few others as being of the two witnesses…NEVER as a group of peoples!! (This “tradition” being adopted by the Catholics as in “who” these TWO MEN could be!!)
And the only other “early church” which came into being some 300 odd years after Christ was the Catholic church which was the ONLY “Christian Church” for over a thousand years before the break away occurred ushering in other denominations, and they never taught this either!
So exactly WHAT church are you talking about?
So it seems you are greatly mistaken, this doctrine you are spreading is not old…it is new…so, by your reckoning, you have not received the truth either…The truth is not to be broadcast to the world, and have them know it.
The writing of books by men was because they did not know the truth because if they did then they could not put forth all of their theories.
Quote Wrong, you are assuming is all.
Wakeup uses the holy bible and only the holy bible as the authority.
He tested the book of Enoch against scripture is all, we don't “use it” as you claim, but have studied it…and studied it only AFTER learning the scriptures.You have spoken an untruth. Wakeup has used an interpretation of the scriptures from the book of Enoch which is not the truth of the Bible when only using the Bible.
Quote Res, the bible is it's own dictionary, God has already declared what peoples are represented by…WATERS… God has never said the earth stands for peoples…ever…so show us where God says otherwise.
It's obvious that we are staying true to scriptural explanations (waters=multitudes) and it is actually you who is indulging in cultic practises/doctrines so painfully tainted by new age philosophies.Cheers.
The second beast comes out of the earth as distinct from the first beast coming out of the sea.
Sea represents nations, and land represents religion as in land refering to the land of Israel in the OT which types the worshippers of God but in the end becomes apostate or like spiritual Esau. (see former post). Land and earth are the same word in the OT prophecies and Jesus had spoken of the wicked religious as being from below.
If I was to say to you similar what you have just said to me in that last sentence then you would not be able to take it, because it would pierce your heart. Be careful what you say.
Waiting for the arrival of a singular person second beast is folly.
Res.
Quote (Resting @ April 08 2013,19:24) Quote (abe @ April 09 2013,12:14) Hi Rest, Quote
You do not know who the two witnesses are, but I do.Would you please tell us who the TWO witnesses are?
Peace brother..
Abe,Jesus was anointed by the oil of both olive trees.
The early church the same.
The Word is one anointing–
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
The other anointing is Gods power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Here they are together–
Act 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
Act 4:30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.There is a relationship here with Gabriel concerning the word and Michael with power.
When we see Michael mentioned then it speaks of Gods power in both Daniel and Revelation.
Just search the two for what they have done and will do in scripture and you will see.
The two witnesses are not two men.
Neither all these two anointing do, are done before the return of Christ.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.Res.
Hi Rest,Thank you.
Peace brother.
Quote (Resting @ April 10 2013,08:15) Quote (Wakeup @ April 09 2013,23:15) Quote (Resting @ April 09 2013,20:14) Quote (Wakeup @ April 09 2013,15:33) Quote Resting. 1.You are mistaken,because the false prophet is not only about christian.But the world; he will cause all on this planet to receive his mark. NOT ONLY CHRISTIANS.He will be a world leader.(this planet).
It is when much of the Christian world worships the beast that is described as the abomination of desolation.
Quote 2. The two witnesses are two persons. one—two,(the two olive branches). one—two.(the two anointed ones,zech 4:14.
not agroup of people;I am sure God can count.You are blind to the truth of the two witnesses because you have never received that which the early church did.
Quote 3.Eating strange flesh meaning,feeding on other books
instead on relying on Christs flesh.(john 6:54–48.).
You have a lot to learn.wakeup.
So do we all but you rely on the book of Enoch for your interpretations of scripture, not me.
The second beast of Rev.ch 13 is a number of people.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
I could say the little insults to you that you say to me, but you are handicapped as it is.
Res.
Resting.The two witnesses are groups of people you say?
The beast out of the earth is a group of people?
Can you give some scriptures please,to support your claim.
wakeup.
Each a number of persons, I have said.2 witnesses=
Act 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
Act 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
Act 4:28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
Act 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
Act 4:30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.The second beast of Rev.13. Which you will not be able to understand.—-
Eze 35:1 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 35:2 Son of man, set thy face against mount Seir, and prophesy against it,
Eze 35:3 And say unto it, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O mount Seir, I am against thee, and I will stretch out mine hand against thee, and I will make thee most desolate.
Eze 35:4 I will lay thy cities waste, and thou shalt be desolate, and thou shalt know that I am the LORD.
Eze 35:5 Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end:
Eze 35:6 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee.
Eze 35:7 Thus will I make mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth out and him that returneth.
Eze 35:8 And I will fill his mountains with his slain men: in thy hills, and in thy valleys, and in all thy rivers, shall they fall that are slain with the sword.
Eze 35:9 I will make thee perpetual desolations, and thy cities shall not return: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Eze 35:10 Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the LORD was there:
Eze 35:11 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will even do according to thine anger, and according to thine envy which thou hast used out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I have judged thee.
Eze 35:12 And thou shalt know that I am the LORD, and that I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume.
Eze 35:13 Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.
Eze 35:14 Thus saith the Lord GOD; When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate.
Eze 35:15 As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD.Eze 36:5 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea, which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.The second beast encompases two nations of people.
Coming out of the earth/land speaks of a religious people who once worshipped the God of their fathers but has since turned away from H
im.Can you not see that the USA today is sliding even further into apostacy than ever, and it is the RCC and Jews who hold the power over the USA and supports the Esau state of Israel in the middle east who reject Jesus Christ (as a state).
It is the second beast who deceives the people by fire coming down from heaven (nuclear bombs) and space travel, by scientific discoveries, evolution, etc.
The real deception which even the elect could be deceived ,comes during the vials when men are looking for Him after the resurrection and before Armageddon (a period of 30 days)when he is moving around among mankind who believed the last witness .
I do not think you can understand this because your beliefs are cemented into your head like some security blanket you hold onto .
Your beliefs are very immature but you do not know that.
Are you from the Bible Students such as Russell was, before they became the JWs. I call them Russelites.
Res.
Resting.Despite all those scriptures just to proof the two witnesses
and the beast of the earth,is just to put one off track.As far as I can see according to your quote,the beast out of the earth are some americans,and some western people.
It does not connect with rev.19:20.
It says THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET.BEAST(SINGULAR) FALSE PROPHET (SINGULAR).
SON OF PERDITION(SINGULAR).LITTLE HORN (SINGULAR)JUDAS(SINGULAR). DRAGON(SINGULAR) SATAN (SINGULAR).
I say you are mistaken very badly;
The world will be ruled by one king,not by a few.
And *he* is the one that sit in the temple of God and call *himself* God.Notice here; *HE* will not come –untill the falling away first.
well; the falling away is just begun,so *HE* can not be here yet. Not before the falling away.So that **HE** as God sit in the temple of God showing **HIMSELF** that *HE* is God. HE = SINGULAR
I smell a rat.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 10 2013,12:42) Quote (Resting @ April 10 2013,08:15) Quote (Wakeup @ April 09 2013,23:15) Quote (Resting @ April 09 2013,20:14) Quote (Wakeup @ April 09 2013,15:33) Quote Resting. 1.You are mistaken,because the false prophet is not only about christian.But the world; he will cause all on this planet to receive his mark. NOT ONLY CHRISTIANS.He will be a world leader.(this planet).
It is when much of the Christian world worships the beast that is described as the abomination of desolation.
Quote 2. The two witnesses are two persons. one—two,(the two olive branches). one—two.(the two anointed ones,zech 4:14.
not agroup of people;I am sure God can count.You are blind to the truth of the two witnesses because you have never received that which the early church did.
Quote 3.Eating strange flesh meaning,feeding on other books
instead on relying on Christs flesh.(john 6:54–48.).
You have a lot to learn.wakeup.
So do we all but you rely on the book of Enoch for your interpretations of scripture, not me.
The second beast of Rev.ch 13 is a number of people.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
I could say the little insults to you that you say to me, but you are handicapped as it is.
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Resting.The two witnesses are groups of people you say?
The beast out of the earth is a group of people?
Can you give some scriptures please,to support your claim.
wakeup.
Each a number of persons, I have said.2 witnesses=
Act 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
Act 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
Act 4:28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
Act 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
Act 4:30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.The second beast of Rev.13. Which you will not be able to understand.—-
Eze 35:1 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 35:2 Son of man, set thy face against mount Seir, and prophesy against it,
Eze 35:3 And say unto it, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O mount Seir, I am against thee, and I will stretch out mine hand against thee, and I will make thee most desolate.
Eze 35:4 I will lay thy cities waste, and thou shalt be desolate, and thou shalt know that I am the LORD.
Eze 35:5 Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end:
Eze 35:6 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee.
Eze 35:7 Thus will I make mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth out and him that returneth.
Eze 35:8 And I will fill his mountains with his slain men: in thy hills, and in thy valleys, and in all thy rivers, shall they fall that are slain with the sword.
Eze 35:9 I will make thee perpetual desolations, and thy cities shall not return: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Eze 35:10 Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the LORD was there:
Eze 35:11 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will even do according to thine anger, and according to thine envy which thou hast used out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I have judged thee.
Eze 35:12 And thou shalt know that I am the LORD, and that I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume.
Eze 35:13 Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.
Eze 35:14 Thus saith the Lord GOD; When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate.
Eze 35:15 As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD.Eze 36:5 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea, which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day
of God Almighty.The second beast encompases two nations of people.
Coming out of the earth/land speaks of a religious people who once worshipped the God of their fathers but has since turned away from Him.
Can you not see that the USA today is sliding even further into apostacy than ever, and it is the RCC and Jews who hold the power over the USA and supports the Esau state of Israel in the middle east who reject Jesus Christ (as a state).
It is the second beast who deceives the people by fire coming down from heaven (nuclear bombs) and space travel, by scientific discoveries, evolution, etc.
The real deception which even the elect could be deceived ,comes during the vials when men are looking for Him after the resurrection and before Armageddon (a period of 30 days)when he is moving around among mankind who believed the last witness .
I do not think you can understand this because your beliefs are cemented into your head like some security blanket you hold onto .
Your beliefs are very immature but you do not know that.
Are you from the Bible Students such as Russell was, before they became the JWs. I call them Russelites.
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Resting.Despite all those scriptures just to proof the two witnesses
and the beast of the earth,is just to put one off track.As far as I can see according to your quote,the beast out of the earth are some americans,and some western people.
It does not connect with rev.19:20.
It says THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET.BEAST(SINGULAR) FALSE PROPHET (SINGULAR).
SON OF PERDITION(SINGULAR).LITTLE HORN (SINGULAR)JUDAS(SINGULAR). DRAGON(SINGULAR) SATAN (SINGULAR).
I say you are mistaken very badly;
The world will be ruled by one king,not by a few.
And *he* is the one that sit in the temple of God and call *himself* God.Notice here; *HE* will not come –untill the falling away first.
well; the falling away is just begun,so *HE* can not be here yet. Not before the falling away.So that **HE** as God sit in the temple of God showing **HIMSELF** that *HE* is God. HE = SINGULAR
I smell a rat.wakeup.
You are mixed up in saying the false prophet is the beast.What you believe affects you and all who follow you.
I follow Jesus.
You please yourself.
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Quote The two witnesses are groups of people you say? Quote
Each a number of persons, I have said.
Isn't that the same as a group?Quote 2 witnesses= Act 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
Act 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
Act 4:28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
Act 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
Act 4:30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.Where are your “key words” and the point you are trying to make? It's not clear at all. Do we take a wild guess?
Your answer does not make sense, and totally unrelated. We are talking about a future prophecy to come, and you have given us history?
I rebuke your proof, and this is why;Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my TWO WITNESSES, and THEY (just two of them) shall PROPHESY a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.(1260 days)
This scripture is straight forward in my opinion. Mean's what it says. No tricky symbolism.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them into blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Is this that same power you claim you have?
What are you saying?
So by what I think you are claiming, is that one of the groups of people will be going around turning water into blood, causing droughts and sending plagues. Would this be the born again members by any chance? Those ones that speak tongues, do healings and claim they are the only ones with the holy spirit because they do these things? Are you one of them?
Are you saying that they are going to be killed in front of everyone and their dead bodies will lie in the street? And after 3 1/2 days, every one will see them come alive and ascend into the clouds? Would this be the persecution of the saints? The ones mentioned in the 5th seal right before the 7 trumpets start blowing?If you love the truth, then please be more clear and show that you are patient to teach and answer questions. It is good practise. I could be lost don't forget, and need a real man of God to guide me back to the truth. A man that acts like Christ, someone with good honorable credentials.
Resting,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote he second beast of Rev.13. Which you will not be able to understand.—-
Why shouldn't he understand? He's shown you related scriptures.I'm going to look at these scriptures you have given wakeup with a fine tooth comb.
Are you saying they refer to the second beast of Rev 13?Eze 35:1 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 35:2 Son of man, set thy face against mount Seir, and prophesy against it, The descendants Esau dwelt there in Mt Seir. Esau married strange women. He married daughters of the canaanites, ishmaelites, hittites, hivites and horites. The descendants of Esau became known as Edom. So this is around the palestine border area and I believe God is speaking to Palestine.Eze 35:3 And say unto it, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O mount Seir, I am against thee, and I will stretch out mine hand against thee, and I will make thee most desolate. So God is against these Palestinians
Eze 35:4 I will lay thy cities waste, and thou shalt be desolate, and thou shalt know that I am the LORD.Zephaniah 2:5 Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast, the nation of the Cherethites! the word of the LORD is against you; O Canaan, the land of the Philistines, I will even destroy thee, that there shall be no inhabitant.
Eze 35:5 Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end:
Eze 35:6 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: since thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee. These people love blood (war) and God will use the false prophet to attack Palestine also.Eze 35:7 Thus will I make mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth out and him that returneth. This will happen at the 2nd coming. Christ will give their land to Israel.
Isaiah 11:14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.
Eze 35:8 And I will fill his mountains with his slain men: in thy hills, and in thy valleys, and in all thy rivers, shall they fall that are slain with the sword.
Eze 35:9 I will make thee perpetual desolations, and thy cities shall not return: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.Isaiah 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O City; thou whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come FROM THE NORTH a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
Eze 35:10 Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the LORD was there: their plans are to take Israel. 1.Palestine,.and..2.Israel
Eze 35:11 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will even do according to thine anger, and according to thine envy which thou hast used out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I have judged thee.
Eze 35:12 And thou shalt know that I am the LORD, and that I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume.
Eze 35:13 Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.Isaiah 16:6 We have heard of the pride of Moab: he is very proud: even of his haughtiness, and his pride, and his wrath: but his lies shall not be so
Eze 35:14 Thus saith the Lord GOD; When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate.
Isaiah 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
Eze 35:15 As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
So what are you explaining about these scriptures exactly? That this is the 2nd beast of Rev 13? Palestine?
The beast with all the miracles. The scriptures say that the false prophet will also flatten palestine and his muslem brothers. So what say you?Isaiah 16:2 For it shall be, that, s a wandering bird cast out of the nest, so the daughters of Moab shall be at the fords of Arnon (will flee from the false prophet – the spoiler/extortioner)
Isaiah 16:4 Let mine outcasts dwell with thee, Moab; be thou a covert to them from the face of the spoiler: for the extortioner is at an end, the spoiler ceaseth, the oppressors are consumed out of the land.
God uses the wicked to punish the wicked. Whoever is left over after this, then has to deal with Christ at his return.
To the others who are reading.
Just because Palestine will be dissolved, and also her muslim brothers, does not mean that not one of them will be left alive. There will be some spared. Their borders will be taken over by Israel when Christ returns. Their nations will be no more. These muslem survivors will have mercy also, and will serve the Israelites in the kingdom. God does not wipe out their people completely, just their nations (sovereignty)Resting,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote What scripture says the abom is set up in Jerusalem in particular? (Christ warned true Christians to get out of Jerusalem, not the fakes) Didn't you study the relative verses we are debating?
Maybe you don't understand what God considers His Holy Place?
I suggest you read the OT and you will see it many times over.
You really should know these basics before entering into debates.Quote The abom of Des is specific to the churches going after the worship of money and their being led by their governments of human kings Res, The false prophet sets up the abom of Des, nothing to do with Christianity i'm afraid. By this point in the false prophets reign, his 2nd 3 1/2 year reign, most Christians are already beheaded.
Quote As I indicated partly to Wakeup, it is the USA who is enforcing the worship of the first beast of nations of Russia, china, India, Europe , Americas, etc by the extension of its so called democracy by the use of the force of money and the gun as shown in the latter part of Daniel ch 11. Impossible. Even as we speak, America is being dismantled.
Do some research into the subject and the trail will lead you to the true masters, and it aint the USA.Quote The truth is not to be broadcast to the world, and have them know it. Res, the TRUTH is found in the scriptures which IS there for the WHOLE WORLD to see & has been for the last 2000 odd years…it's not that the truth is not to be found, it is that those who are estranged from God just can not PERCEIVE IT. So though the truth can be found, those who find it are FEW.
Quote The writing of books by men was because they did not know the truth because if they did then they could not put forth all of their theories. We steer clear of their books too, Satan has done this to distract & confuse & many fall for their glossy money making lies…we at least agree on this.
Quote You have spoken an untruth. Wakeup has used an interpretation of the scriptures from the book of Enoch which is not the truth of the Bible when only using the Bible. I know Wakeup personally so I think I know more than you do on this without doubt.
Enoch is quoted in the bible Res, God would not quote from a tainted book…think about that…so if Wakeup quoted from it and you have a problem with that, maybe you should first condemn He who first quoted Enoch through His prohets…God…good luck with that!Quote The second beast comes out of the earth as distinct from the first beast coming out of the sea.
Sea represents nations, and land represents religion as in land refering to the land of Israel in the OT which types the worshippers of God but in the end becomes apostate or like spiritual Esau. (see former post). Land and earth are the same word in the OT prophecies and Jesus had spoken of the wicked religious as being from below.Disagreed…Scriptures please, I don't have time to search all your posts.
Quote If I was to say to you similar what you have just said to me in that last sentence then you would not be able to take it, because it would pierce your heart. Be careful what you say Amusing.
Quote Waiting for the arrival of a singular person second beast is folly. Firstly, do you agree that 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 is speaking of the false prophet?
Quote (Resting @ April 10 2013,17:47) You people can believe as you want. See ya.
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Hi Resting, I'm familiar with what those three believe.I have been so far reading what you believe
so don't let them discourage you from
expressing your views to us' OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 10 2013,17:58) Quote (Resting @ April 10 2013,17:47) You people can believe as you want. See ya.
Res.
Hi Resting, I'm familiar with what those three believe.I have been so far reading what you believe
so don't let them discourage you from
expressing your views to us' OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.The scriptures can not be broken.
You can not win against the scriptures.
The truth will set you free.Why did you not answer me regarding matthew 24.
Why the silence. Why are you hiding in the rocks.
What happen to honesty,I wonder.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ April 10 2013,19:07) What question regarding Matthew 24?
EdJ.Let me refresh your memory.
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the *abomination of desolation*, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, *stand* in the holy place*, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION *STAND* IN JERUSALEM.
Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Matthew 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Matthew 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Matthew 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be **great tribulation*, SUCH AS WAS NOT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD TO THIS TIME, no, NOR EVER SHALL BE.
Matthew 24:22 *And except those days should be shortened*, there should **NO FLESH* BE SAVED**: but for the elect's sake those days *SHALL BE SHORTENED*.
So you were wrong again.
wakeup.
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