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Quote (Resting @ April 06 2013,21:07) Quote and a physical temple there, so that they can come and pray, worship and know where to find Christ, for he will be on his throne ruling. Definately not.
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Rev 21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
Rev 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
Rev 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
Rev 21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Hi Res,Ok, I stand corrected. There will be no temple.
Quote (Resting @ April 06 2013,21:07)
ResCan you tell me now what will happen during the millennium. I've asked you before but you have not answered this question yet?
Quote (2besee @ April 06 2013,21:25) Good checking of the scriptures, Res.
Maybe he can teach you something, because I certainly can't.Quote (Resting @ April 06 2013,19:07) The temple of God of 2 Thes ch 2 would not be the Jews temple because it would not be the temple of God nor could it be defiled when it would never be Holy. Res.
Resting.I can see where you are coming from.
The false prophet and his armies will occupy jerusalem for 3/half yrs,for that one purpose to rebuild the juwish temple so he in *worlds eyes* can be seen as god.
The jews worship our same God in a temple as it always has been,in the past.
There is no temple today,so they worship the same God at the wailing wall.
When the temple is rebuild;they will go to that new temple to worship the same God we worship.The fact that he is worshipped by the jews is already an abomination. What happen to King Herod when he made a speach;and the people are saying that he sounded like god?
He was not speaking on god behalf either,he was just speaking.We as Christians dont need a temple to worship God.
And that temple does not mean anything to us.wakeup.
Resting,April wrote:[/quote]
Hmm,Not sure why Journey said there would be a Temple in Jerusalem because she's known for years that there will be no physical Holy Temple??
Maybe she got mixed up with the palace?
That's where the throne will be…Davids throne.Look, the Jews are going to rebuild the third temple…but we Christians know that God does not dwell in temples but the Jews don't know that do they!
How could they?
They rejected Christ and His Gospel.
That temple will be built without a doubt…by the Jews…Jews are not Christians…they have no idea of the futility of their building that Temple…nor do they know that it will eventually be destroyed…destroyed at the coming.Devo.
Quote (journey42 @ April 06 2013,21:48) Quote (2besee @ April 06 2013,21:25) Good checking of the scriptures, Res.
Maybe he can teach you something, because I certainly can't.
I can not teach anyone anything.All I can do is go through the scriptures and bring up points I think might be relevent.
Also can share some things I have seen with my spiritual eye about the verses.
If it becomes too much of a difference in what you say in long posts to what I see then it is too complicated to say much.
So we best just keep plugging away and not be concerned that we do not all agree on everything at this time.
It will all come together eventually for everyone on the Lords side.
No doubt those of the world will all agree then too.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
What I try to do is inquire whether the things in my mind are what Christ is trying to get through to me from the scriptures even if I understand the scriptures correctly.
Which is difficult if I have misunderstandings of the scriptures themselves. Most often I get to know the scriptures because of corrections from life in this present world in wondering why people can be as they are and why I am like I am when under pressure about things I have no idea why they should pressure me, when I am so free.
I will be back with some ideas.
Res.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 06 2013,22:23) Quote (Resting @ April 06 2013,19:07) The temple of God of 2 Thes ch 2 would not be the Jews temple because it would not be the temple of God nor could it be defiled when it would never be Holy. Res.
Resting.I can see where you are coming from.
The false prophet and his armies will occupy jerusalem for 3/half yrs,for that one purpose to rebuild the juwish temple so he in *worlds eyes* can be seen as god.
The jews worship our same God in a temple as it always has been,in the past.
There is no temple today,so they worship the same God at the wailing wall.
When the temple is rebuild;they will go to that new temple to worship the same God we worship.The fact that he is worshipped by the jews is already an abomination. What happen to King Herod when he made a speach;and the people are saying that he sounded like god?
He was not speaking on god behalf either,he was just speaking.We as Christians dont need a temple to worship God.
And that temple does not mean anything to us.wakeup.
Wakeup,Quote The false prophet and his armies will occupy jerusalem for 3/half yrs,for that one purpose to rebuild the juwish temple so he in *worlds eyes* can be seen as god. Is not the false prophet and his armies already in control of Israel and free to build their temple.
Did you know that the old temple was not where the Moslem dome is today, in any case–
It will not be any opposing army to that of Israel which will invade that area first, but one which is united in purpose with the Jew and bring about the great delusion.
This fellow described below is a friend of Israel, in fact a brother.
Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
Dan 11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
Dan 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
Dan 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
Dan 11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
Dan 11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
Dan 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
Dan 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.Location of Temple-
Quote (Resting @ April 07 2013,09:29) Quote (journey42 @ April 06 2013,21:48) Quote (2besee @ April 06 2013,21:25) Good checking of the scriptures, Res.
Maybe he can teach you something, because I certainly can't.
I can not teach anyone anything.All I can do is go through the scriptures and bring up points I think might be relevent.
Also can share some things I have seen with my spiritual eye about the verses.
If it becomes too much of a difference in what you say in long posts to what I see then it is too complicated to say much.
So we best just keep plugging away and not be concerned that we do not all agree on everything at this time.
It will all come together eventually for everyone on the Lords side.
No doubt those of the world will all agree then too.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
What I try to do is inquire whether the things in my mind are what Christ is trying to get through to me from the scriptures even if I understand the scriptures correctly.
Which is difficult if I have misunderstandings of the scriptures themselves. Most often I get to know the scriptures because of corrections from life in this present world in wondering why people can be as they are and why I am like I am when under pressure about things I have no idea why they should pressure me, when I am so free.
I will be back with some ideas.
Res.
Resting.Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
They have to be purified by fire(the tribulation).
rev7:9:14. they will be given white robes.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 07 2013,14:12) Resting. Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
They have to be purified by fire(the tribulation).
rev7:9:14. they will be given white robes.wakeup.
Wakeup,(Rev 7:9) After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
(Rev 7:13) And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
(Rev 7:14) And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
These are not in the first resurrection now are they.
They remain mortal.Do you agree?
Res.
Quote (Resting @ April 07 2013,09:44) Quote (Wakeup @ April 06 2013,22:23) Quote (Resting @ April 06 2013,19:07) The temple of God of 2 Thes ch 2 would not be the Jews temple because it would not be the temple of God nor could it be defiled when it would never be Holy. Res.
Resting.I can see where you are coming from.
The false prophet and his armies will occupy jerusalem for 3/half yrs,for that one purpose to rebuild the juwish temple so he in *worlds eyes* can be seen as god.
The jews worship our same God in a temple as it always has been,in the past.
There is no temple today,so they worship the same God at the wailing wall.
When the temple is rebuild;they will go to that new temple to worship the same God we worship.The fact that he is worshipped by the jews is already an abomination. What happen to King Herod when he made a speach;and the people are saying that he sounded like god?
He was not speaking on god behalf either,he was just speaking.We as Christians dont need a temple to worship God.
And that temple does not mean anything to us.wakeup.
Wakeup,Quote The false prophet and his armies will occupy jerusalem for 3/half yrs,for that one purpose to rebuild the juwish temple so he in *worlds eyes* can be seen as god. Is not the false prophet and his armies already in control of Israel and free to build their temple.
Did you know that the old temple was not where the Moslem dome is today, in any case–
It will not be any opposing army to that of Israel which will invade that area first, but one which is united in purpose with the Jew and bring about the great delusion.
This fellow described below is a friend of Israel, in fact a brother.
Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
Dan 11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
Dan 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
Dan 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
Dan 11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
Dan 11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
Dan 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
Dan 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Resting.The false prophet is not here yet.
regarding the dome is not where the temple was?
I thinkthis is just jewish politics,they know exactly where them temple was.
Even if the dome is not on the temple sight; I dont think the jews will build the temple next to the dome.
isaiah 28:15 Israel making an agreement with death.
when the overflowing scourge shall pass through.wakeup.
Quote (Resting @ April 07 2013,20:20) Wakeup, What evidence do you have that the second beast of Rev.ch 13 is one man?
Res.
REsting.Just read what the beast with the two horns is doing
He caused the mark and the miracles to deceive.Then read rev19:20, what the false prophet did.(rev13:13).
and see who are cast in the fire. ***Just two***: beast /false prophet.(19:20). There is no antichrist mentioned.Compare also 2thess 2. The son of perdition with his lying wonders and blaspheming, and sitting as god; he also will be consumed by the brightness of the Lords coming.
You can go further if you like: go to Dan7:7.8.9
How the little horn with eyes and mouth speaking great thing. And daniel **beheld untill** the thrones were cast down and the *ancient of days* did sit. (in his throne).Dan 7:11.How the little horn with great words was slain and cast in the fire.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 07 2013,21:00) Quote (Resting @ April 07 2013,20:20) Wakeup, What evidence do you have that the second beast of Rev.ch 13 is one man?
Res.
REsting.Just read what the beast with the two horns is doing
He caused the mark and the miracles to deceive.Then read rev19:20, what the false prophet did.(rev13:13).
and see who are cast in the fire. ***Just two***: beast /false prophet.(19:20). There is no antichrist mentioned.Compare also 2thess 2. The son of perdition with his lying wonders and blaspheming, and sitting as god; he also will be consumed by the brightness of the Lords coming.
You can go further if you like: go to Dan7:7.8.9
How the little horn with eyes and mouth speaking great thing. And daniel **beheld untill** the thrones were cast down and the *ancient of days* did sit. (in his throne).Dan 7:11.How the little horn with great words was slain and cast in the fire.
wakeup.
Quote (Resting @ April 07 2013,20:20) Wakeup, What evidence do you have that the second beast of Rev.ch 13 is one man?
Res.
REsting.Just read what the beast with the two horns is doing
He caused the mark and the miracles to deceive.That beast has two horns which are two kings, not one.
The first beast is many peoples. Why say the second beast is only one person when the second beast has the appearance of the first, except for the number of horns.
Quote Then read rev19:20, what the false prophet did.(rev13:13).
and see who are cast in the fire. ***Just two***: beast /false prophet.(19:20). There is no antichrist mentioned.The two are two beasts , the first and the second of Rev,ch 13. Neither are two persons.
Quote Compare also 2thess 2. The son of perdition with his lying wonders and blaspheming, and sitting as god; he also will be consumed by the brightness of the Lords coming. None of the wicked will understand, your theory is easy for the wicked to understand and it is wrong.
He who sits in the temple of God saying he is God moves throughout most churches today because he is a spirit with many servants. The temple of God is not stone, it is people.
Quote You can go further if you like: go to Dan7:7.8.9
How the little horn with eyes and mouth speaking great thing. And daniel **beheld untill** the thrones were cast down and the *ancient of days* did sit. (in his throne).Dan 7:11.How the little horn with great words was slain and cast in the fire.
The second beast has two horns and not one.
The first beast is given a little horn which becomes great and satan gives the first beast a throne, and the second beast with two horns causes men to worship the first beast.
Jesus referred to the nation of Jews as a man in a parable , and the true prophet is the true church, so the false prophet is the false church of Jew and RCC (two horns) who control present day America and its buddies, including Europe where the ten kings originated.
The worship of money is god in the western churches and governments of Babylon.
(the two witnesses are not two people either.)
Res.
Quote (Resting @ April 08 2013,07:13) Quote (Wakeup @ April 07 2013,21:00) Quote (Resting @ April 07 2013,20:20) Wakeup, What evidence do you have that the second beast of Rev.ch 13 is one man?
Res.
REsting.Just read what the beast with the two horns is doing
He caused the mark and the miracles to deceive.Then read rev19:20, what the false prophet did.(rev13:13).
and see who are cast in the fire. ***Just two***: beast /false prophet.(19:20). There is no antichrist mentioned.Compare also 2thess 2. The son of perdition with his lying wonders and blaspheming, and sitting as god; he also will be consumed by the brightness of the Lords coming.
You can go further if you like: go to Dan7:7.8.9
How the little horn with eyes and mouth speaking great thing. And daniel **beheld untill** the thrones were cast down and the *ancient of days* did sit. (in his throne).Dan 7:11.How the little horn with great words was slain and cast in the fire.
wakeup.
Quote (Resting @ April 07 2013,20:20) Wakeup, What evidence do you have that the second beast of Rev.ch 13 is one man?
Res.
REsting.Just read what the beast with the two horns is doing
He caused the mark and the miracles to deceive.That beast has two horns which are two kings, not one.
The first beast is many peoples. Why say the second beast is only one person when the second beast has the appearance of the first, except for the number of horns.
Quote Then read rev19:20, what the false prophet did.(rev13:13).
and see who are cast in the fire. ***Just two***: beast /false prophet.(19:20). There is no antichrist mentioned.The two are two beasts , the first and the second of Rev,ch 13. Neither are two persons.
Quote Compare also 2thess 2. The son of perdition with his lying wonders and blaspheming, and sitting as god; he also will be consumed by the brightness of the Lords coming. None of the wicked will understand, your theory is easy for the wicked to understand and it is wrong.
He who sits in the temple of God saying he is God moves throughout most churches today because he is a spirit with many servants. The temple of God is not stone, it is people.
Quote You can go further if you like: go to Dan7:7.8.9
How the little horn with eyes and mouth speaking great thing. And daniel **beheld untill** the thrones were cast down and the *ancient of days* did sit. (in his throne).Dan 7:11.How the little horn with great words was slain and cast in the fire.
The second beast has two horns and not one.
The first beast is given a little horn which becomes great and satan gives the first beast a throne, and the second beast with two horns causes men to worship the first beast.
Jesus referred to the nation of Jews as a man in a parable , and the true prophet is the true church, so the false prophet is the false church of Jew and RCC (two horns) who control present day America and its buddies, including Europe where the ten kings originated.
The worship of money is god in the western churches and governments of Babylon.
(the two witnesses are not two people either.)
Res.
Resting.Where is your evidence?
wakeup.
Resting,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote (the two witnesses are not two people either.) Res.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy…. a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. (1260 days) Note: the false prophet will be in Israel for 1290 daysRev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them into blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finish their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street o the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Jerusalem)
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither, And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted and, gave glory to the God of heaven
Zechariah 4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candle stick and upon the left side thereof?
Zechariah 4:12 And I answered again and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themelves?
Zechariah 4:13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said No, my lord.
Zechariah 4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.These two witnesses, are 2 prophets. (2 men) that the Lord will send into Israel during their occupation of the beast and the false prophet. These will be preaching in Israel.
It is looking like they are Elijah, and Moses. God has preserved them somehow. Remember the devil was fighting over Moses' dead body? Why would he want that? He was dead? The devil obviously knows what God has in store for the future.And the Lord said that he would send Elijah before the great and dreadful day of the Lord, which is the 2 coming.
Moses turned water into blood, and sent plagues, and Elijah had the power to stop the rain. The whole world is going to see this. They are going to torment Babylon the great. Babylon will say that they are the false prophet and the antichrist and deceive many.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 08 2013,07:32) Quote (Resting @ April 08 2013,07:13) Quote (Wakeup @ April 07 2013,21:00) Quote (Resting @ April 07 2013,20:20) Wakeup, What evidence do you have that the second beast of Rev.ch 13 is one man?
Res.
REsting.Just read what the beast with the two horns is doing
He caused the mark and the miracles to deceive.Then read rev19:20, what the false prophet did.(rev13:13).
and see who are cast in the fire. ***Just two***: beast /false prophet.(19:20). There is no antichrist mentioned.Compare also 2thess 2. The son of perdition with his lying wonders and blaspheming, and sitting as god; he also will be consumed by the brightness of the Lords coming.
You can go further if you like: go to Dan7:7.8.9
How the little horn with eyes and mouth speaking great thing. And daniel **beheld untill** the thrones were cast down and the *ancient of days* did sit. (in his throne).Dan 7:11.How the little horn with great words was slain and cast in the fire.
wakeup.
Quote (Resting @ April 07 2013,20:20) Wakeup, What evidence do you have that the second beast of Rev.ch 13 is one man?
Res.
REsting.Just read what the beast with the two horns is doing
He caused the mark and the miracles to deceive.That beast has two horns which are two kings, not one.
The first beast is many peoples. Why say the second beast is only one person when the second beast has the appearance of the first, except for the number of horns.
Quote Then read rev19:20, what the false prophet did.(rev13:13).
and see who are cast in the fire. ***Just two***: beast /false prophet.(19:20). There is no antichrist mentioned.The two are two beasts , the first and the second of Rev,ch 13. Neither are two persons.
Quote Compare also 2thess 2. The son of perdition with his lying wonders and blaspheming, and sitting as god; he also will be consumed by the brightness of the Lords coming. None of the wicked will understand, your theory is easy for the wicked to understand and it is wrong.
He who sits in the temple of God saying he is God moves throughout most churches today because he is a spirit with many servants. The temple of God is not stone, it is people.
Quote You can go further if you like: go to Dan7:7.8.9
How the little horn with eyes and mouth speaking great thing. And daniel **beheld untill** the thrones were cast down and the *ancient of days* did sit. (in his throne).Dan 7:11.How the little horn with great words was slain and cast in the fire.
The second beast has two horns and not one.
The first beast is given a little horn which becomes great and satan gives the first beast a throne, and the second beast with two horns causes men to worship the first beast.
Jesus referred to the nation of Jews as a man in a parable , and the true prophet is the true church, so the false prophet is the false church of Jew and RCC (two horns) who control present day America and its buddies, including Europe where the ten kings originated.
The worship of money is god in the western churches and governments of Babylon.
(the two witnesses are not two people either.)
Res.
Resting.Where is your evidence?
wakeup.
I just showed you that the evidence you gave is wrong.2nd beast is two horns, not one.
Res.
Quote (journey42 @ April 08 2013,13:14) Resting,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote (the two witnesses are not two people either.) Res.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy…. a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. (1260 days) Note: the false prophet will be in Israel for 1290 daysRev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them into blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finish their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street o the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Jerusalem)
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither, And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted and, gave glory to the God of heaven
Zechariah 4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candle stick and upon the left side thereof?
Zechariah 4:12 And I answered again and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themelves?
Zechariah 4:13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said No, my lord.
Zechariah 4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.These two witnesses, are 2 prophets. (2 men) that the Lord will send into Israel during their occupation of the beast and the false prophet. These will be preaching in Israel.
It is looking like they are Elijah, and Moses. God has preserved them somehow. Remember the devil was fighting over Moses' dead body? Why would he want that? He was dead? The devil obviously knows what God has in store for the future.And the Lord said that he would send Elijah before the great and dreadful day of the Lord, which is the 2 coming.
Moses turned water into blood, and sent plagues, and Elijah had the power to stop the rain. The whole world is going to see this. They are going to torment Babylon the great. Babylon will say that they are the false prophet and the antichrist and deceive many.
You inserted two people where it says two prophets.You do not know who the two witnesses are, but I do.
When you are prepared to argue a case for something you know nothing about then you will not be able to see the truth when you hear it.
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Quote (Resting @ April 08 2013,18:48) Quote (journey42 @ April 08 2013,13:14) Quote (Resting @ April 08 2013,07:13) Quote (the two witnesses are not two people either.) Res.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy…. a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. (1260 days) Note: the false prophet will be in Israel for 1290 daysRev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them into blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finish their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street o the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Jerusalem)
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither, And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted and, gave glory to the God of heaven
Zechariah 4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candle stick and upon the left side thereof?
Zechariah 4:12 And I answered again and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themelves?
Zechariah 4:13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said No, my lord.
Zechariah 4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.These two witnesses, are 2 prophets. (2 men) that the Lord will send into Israel during their occupation of the beast and the false prophet. These will be preaching in Israel.
It is looking like they are Elijah, and Moses. God has preserved them somehow. Remember the devil was fighting over Moses' dead body? Why would he want that? He was dead? The devil obviously knows what God has in store for the future.And the Lord said that he would send Elijah before the great and dreadful day of the Lord, which is the 2 coming.
Moses turned water into blood, and sent plagues, and Elijah had the power to stop the rain. The whole world is going to see this. They are going to torment Babylon the great. Babylon will say that they are the false prophet and the antichrist and deceive many.
You inserted two people where it says two prophets.You do not know who the two witnesses are, but I do.
When you are prepared to argue a case for something you know nothing about then you will not be able to see the truth when you hear it.
Res.
Prophets aren't monkeys Res, they're men!!Men are PEOPLE.
I suggest you do some research into what a person is and is not.
Also TWO prophets/witnesses means just that..TWO…not two thousand or two million as in whole races or religions!!
I also suggest you take a lesson in basic math and stop adding to scripture.
These stupid doctrines Satan is feeding you guys is so embarrassing…you need to humble yourselves and submit to God once and for all.
The False Prophet is not the RCC & the Jews.
Get a grip on reality & come back down to earth.Quote (Devolution @ April 08 2013,20:03) Res.
Prophets aren't monkeys Res, they're men!!Men are PEOPLE.
I suggest you do some research into what a person is and is not.
Also TWO prophets/witnesses means just that..TWO…not two thousand or two million as in whole races or religions!!
I also suggest you take a lesson in basic math and stop adding to scripture.
These stupid doctrines Satan is feeding you guys is so embarrassing…you need to humble yourselves and submit to God once and for all.
The False Prophet is not the RCC & the Jews.
Get a grip on reality & come back down to earth.[/quote]Ok if you want mud on your face, and will you apologise then?? I doubt it.
Act 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
Act 4:30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.There are two anointings in the NT.
One is the anointing of the word (typified by Gabriel)
and the other is Gods miraculous power.(typed by Michael)
Jesus and the early church and thousands since then have received the same.
Perhaps you have received neither.
These are the two witnesses, they are called two prophets and never two men.
Zec 4:1 And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep,
Zec 4:2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
Zec 4:3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
Zec 4:4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?
Zec 4:5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
Zec 4:7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.
Zec 4:8 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Zec 4:9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you.
Zec 4:10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.
Zec 4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
Zec 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
Zec 4:13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
Zec 4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.You should show more respect.
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