The 3 woes.

[Wakeup]

THE 3 WOES.REV8:13.

1.FIRST WOE.The bottomless pit opened.
Locust came out of the pit,look like horses prepared for
war.The locuts are not horses,but they look like horses
prepared for war. How does a horse look like when its
prepared for war?

2.They are to sting man (that are not sealed) like a scorpion
does.
they are not to touch any green thing;but locusts only eats
the green?
These are demons send out to sting men for only 5months,
and they are not to kill. The pain will drive man to commit
suicide,but can not die for 5months.Their king is the angel
of the bottomless pit. His name in hebrew is ABADDON
and in the greek is APPOLYON.

3.SECOND WOE. Four angels bound in the river euprathes
let loose to start war against kings of east and kings of
the north(now called the west)europe.
This will be the 3rd ww.(man against man).

The king of the north will occupy Jerusalem first,and
during the 3/half yrs of occupation the 2 witnesses will
will preach to israel. They will be killed after the 3/half yrs
are finished,and they will be revived; and then an earth
quake in jerusalem.The king and allies of the east will
stand up; this will be the 3rd ww,same as above.
after jerusalem will be occupied for 3/half yrs.

4.3RD WOE. The 7th trumpet;Christ appearing in the clouds,
The armies of both sides will stop,and gather together at
Megiddo,to war with the Lord;but they have been deceived,
thinking they were aliens.(the great delusion).

5. Babylon(the cities of the nations) will be destroyed in
one day.

6.Kingdom set up.

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A quick rundown of trumpets.

Trumpet 1.

Rev 8:7  The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

This is caused by the removal of Christs presence from the apostates so that the preachers are no longer anointed and  there is no feed. Ref. Joel ch 1:19-20.

The burning up is by spiritual drought.

Trumpet 2.

Rev 8:8  And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
Rev 8:9  And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

The apostate churches lose their protection from the desire of the wicked masses to rid themselves of them especially among nations of Islam etc. but also at home nations of the churches as they  have become worthy of destroying by this time. Babylonic churches are in view here, not Babylon the world system itself.

Trumpet 3

Rev 8:10  And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
Rev 8:11  And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

This causes bitterness to break out among the churched as their kingdoms fall and and many depart from their little faith.

Mat 24:9  Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10  And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11  And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12  And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Trumpet 4.

Rev 8:12  And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

All light from God is no more in the establishments of old —

Mic 3:1  And I said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel; Is it not for you to know judgment?
Mic 3:2  Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones;
Mic 3:3  Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron.
Mic 3:4  Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings.
Mic 3:5  Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.
Mic 3:6  Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them.
Mic 3:7  Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God.

continued–

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The three woes–

Rev 8:13  And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Woe 1

Rev 9:1  And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Rev 9:2  And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
Rev 9:3  And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Rev 9:4  And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Rev 9:5  And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
Rev 9:6  And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

That is the great persecution of half hearted believers by the militant heirachy of the fallen churches and friends of other faiths. (governments backed) This refers to–

Rev 12:12  Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13  And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14  And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Seems like the second beast of Rev.ch 13 are the persecuters, trying to enforce the mark of the beast on believers.

By this time the sealed can not be found to be tortured and killed until the time comes, and even then only those so chosen will be killed, who are unlikely to be tortured at all.

Second woe–

Rev 9:12  One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
Rev 9:13  And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Rev 9:14  Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Rev 9:15  And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
Rev 9:16  And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

I made a recent post on that in another thread.

The third woe-

Rev 11:14  The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Rev 11:13  And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Rev 6:14  And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15  And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16  And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17  For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
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I think the worst part of this woe is that many of those who thought that they would be in the resurrection at the appearance of Christ by confessing Him with their mouth, will not be because they did not confess Him with their life.

Such will be found here AFTER the resurrection, which will be very uncomfortable like a former policeman among the wicked.

Rev 16:15  Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

That is the only place one cannot hide their nakedness, despised by all.

That third woe–

Isa 2:8  Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made:
Isa 2:9  And the mean man boweth down, and the great man humbleth himself: therefore forgive them not.
Isa 2:10  Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty.
Isa 2:11  The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
Isa 2:12  For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
Isa 2:13  And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan,
Isa 2:14  And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up,
Isa 2:15  And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall,
Isa 2:16  And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.
Isa 2:17  And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
Isa 2:18  And the idols he shall utterly abolish.
Isa 2:19  And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
Isa 2:20  In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
Isa 2:21  To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

Only after this do the vials of Rev.ch 16 begin after a short space of time.

Rev.ch 10 deals with that and an account is found in Deut ch 32.

Rev 10:5  And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
Rev 10:6  And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

Deu 32:40  For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
Deu 32:41  If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
Deu 32:42  I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
Deu 32:43  Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.

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[Wakeup]

Rest.

Thank you for all those scriptures.

The 3 woes,meaning the 3 most *horrible* to come.
The first woe(the 5th trumpet,vials),concerns locusts and painful stings.
And all not sealed; try kill to themselves,but death will flee them for 5 months.I see this as physical stings,and physical pain,and physical death.The earth has been spiritually dead for 2000yrs.(Jer.25:38 for their land is desolate).

The 5ft vial poured on the seat of the beast and they gnawed
their tongeus for pain. Physical pain,for they have lived an evil life from the start,and is always in darkness.

Dan.9:27.—-and for the overspreading of abominations,he
shall make it desolate **EVEN UNTILL THE CONSUMMATION**,AND THAT DETERMINED SHALL BE POURED
UPON THE DESOLATE.(desolate untill the consummation).

Abaddon and his demons let out of the bottomless pit,and smoke came out.They are out to cause pain,not spiritual darkness,for they have been in the dark all along.

wakeup.

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Rest. Thank you for all those scriptures. The 3 woes,meaning the 3 most *horrible* to come. The first woe(the 5th trumpet,vials),concerns locusts and painful stings. And all not sealed; try kill to themselves,but death will flee them for 5 months.I see this as physical stings,and physical pain,and physical death.The earth has been spiritually dead for 2000yrs.(Jer.25:38 for their land is desolate). The 5ft vial poured on the seat of the beast and they gnawed their tongeus for pain. Physical pain,for they have lived an evil life from the start,and is always in darkness. Dan.9:27.—-and for the overspreading of abominations,he shall make it desolate **EVEN UNTILL THE CONSUMMATION**,AND THAT DETERMINED SHALL BE POURED UPON THE DESOLATE.(desolate untill the consummation). Abaddon and his demons let out of the bottomless pit,and smoke came out.They are out to cause pain,not spiritual darkness,for they have been in the dark all along. wakeup.

When did these demons go into the bottomless pit that they could be released from there?

Have you studied what is today in the bottomless pit?

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Eze 32:18 Son of man, wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit.
Eze 32:19 Whom dost thou pass in beauty? go down, and be thou laid with the uncircumcised.
Eze 32:20 They shall fall in the midst of them that are slain by the sword: she is delivered to the sword: draw her and all her multitudes.
Eze 32:21 The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword.
Eze 32:22 Asshur is there and all her company: his graves are about him: all of them slain, fallen by the sword:
Eze 32:23 Whose graves are set in the sides of the pit, and her company is round about her grave: all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which caused terror in the land of the living.
Eze 32:24 There is Elam and all her multitude round about her grave, all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which are gone down uncircumcised into the nether parts of the earth, which caused their terror in the land of the living; yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit.
Eze 32:25 They have set her a bed in the midst of the slain with all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword: though their terror was caused in the land of the living, yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit: he is put in the midst of them that be slain.
Eze 32:26 There is Meshech, Tubal, and all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword, though they caused their terror in the land of the living.
Eze 32:27 And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.
Eze 32:28 Yea, thou shalt be broken in the midst of the uncircumcised, and shalt lie with them that are slain with the sword.
Eze 32:29 There is Edom, her kings, and all her princes, which with their might are laid by them that were slain by the sword: they shall lie with the uncircumcised, and with them that go down to the pit.
Eze 32:30 There be the princes of the north, all of them, and all the Zidonians, which are gone down with the slain; with their terror they are ashamed of their might; and they lie uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword, and bear their shame with them that go down to the pit.
Eze 32:31 Pharaoh shall see them, and shall be comforted over all his multitude, even Pharaoh and all his army slain by the sword, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 32:32 For I have caused my terror in the land of the living: and he shall be laid in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that are slain with the sword, even Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD.

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Quote (Wakeup @ April 03 2013,18:07) Rest. Thank you for all those scriptures. The 3 woes,meaning the 3 most *horrible* to come. The first woe(the 5th trumpet,vials),concerns locusts and painful stings. And all not sealed; try kill to themselves,but death will flee them for 5 months.I see this as physical stings,and physical pain,and physical death.The earth has been spiritually dead for 2000yrs.(Jer.25:38 for their land is desolate). The 5ft vial poured on the seat of the beast and they gnawed their tongeus for pain. Physical pain,for they have lived an evil life from the start,and is always in darkness. Dan.9:27.—-and for the overspreading of abominations,he shall make it desolate **EVEN UNTILL THE CONSUMMATION**,AND THAT DETERMINED SHALL BE POURED UPON THE DESOLATE.(desolate untill the consummation). Abaddon and his demons let out of the bottomless pit,and smoke came out.They are out to cause pain,not spiritual darkness,for they have been in the dark all along. wakeup. When did these demons go into the bottomless pit that they could be released from there? Have you studied what is today in the bottomless pit? Rev 11:7  And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. Eze 32:18  Son of man, wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit. Eze 32:19  Whom dost thou pass in beauty? go down, and be thou laid with the uncircumcised. Eze 32:20  They shall fall in the midst of them that are slain by the sword: she is delivered to the sword: draw her and all her multitudes. Eze 32:21  The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword. Eze 32:22  Asshur is there and all her company: his graves are about him: all of them slain, fallen by the sword: Eze 32:23  Whose graves are set in the sides of the pit, and her company is round about her grave: all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which caused terror in the land of the living. Eze 32:24  There is Elam and all her multitude round about her grave, all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which are gone down uncircumcised into the nether parts of the earth, which caused their terror in the land of the living; yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit. Eze 32:25  They have set her a bed in the midst of the slain with all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword: though their terror was caused in the land of the living, yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit: he is put in the midst of them that be slain. Eze 32:26  There is Meshech, Tubal, and all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword, though they caused their terror in the land of the living. Eze 32:27  And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living. Eze 32:28  Yea, thou shalt be broken in the midst of the uncircumcised, and shalt lie with them that are slain with the sword. Eze 32:29  There is Edom, her kings, and all her princes, which with their might are laid by them that were slain by the sword: they shall lie with the uncircumcised, and with them that go down to the pit. Eze 32:30  There be the princes of the north, all of them, and all the Zidonians, which are gone down with the slain; with their terror they are ashamed of their might; and they lie uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword, and bear their shame with them that go down to the pit. Eze 32:31  Pharaoh shall see them, and shall be comforted over all his multitude, even Pharaoh and all his army slain by the sword, saith the Lord GOD. Eze 32:32  For I have caused my terror in the land of the living: and he shall be laid in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that are slain with the sword, even Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD. Res.

Rest.

The angel had the *key* to open the bottomless pit,
so its obvious that those demons were in prison
and so is abaddon,their leader.

You need to read the book of Enoch;
he says that the angels that sinned during his days,are locked up: also 1pet.3:19.20. 2pet.2:4.6.
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The beast that came out of the bottomless pit is the 8th world empire,which is of the seventh.
The 8th beast *IS OF* the 7th,not out of the sea.
The 8th beast came out of satans mind(idea).

wakeup.

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Quote (Resting @ April 03 2013,20:15) Quote (Wakeup @ April 03 2013,18:07) Rest. Thank you for all those scriptures. The 3 woes,meaning the 3 most *horrible* to come. The first woe(the 5th trumpet,vials),concerns locusts and painful stings. And all not sealed; try kill to themselves,but death will flee them for 5 months.I see this as physical stings,and physical pain,and physical death.The earth has been spiritually dead for 2000yrs.(Jer.25:38 for their land is desolate). The 5ft vial poured on the seat of the beast and they gnawed their tongeus for pain. Physical pain,for they have lived an evil life from the start,and is always in darkness. Dan.9:27.—-and for the overspreading of abominations,he shall make it desolate **EVEN UNTILL THE CONSUMMATION**,AND THAT DETERMINED SHALL BE POURED UPON THE DESOLATE.(desolate untill the consummation). Abaddon and his demons let out of the bottomless pit,and smoke came out.They are out to cause pain,not spiritual darkness,for they have been in the dark all along. wakeup. When did these demons go into the bottomless pit that they could be released from there? Have you studied what is today in the bottomless pit? Rev 11:7  And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. Eze 32:18  Son of man, wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit. Eze 32:19  Whom dost thou pass in beauty? go down, and be thou laid with the uncircumcised. Eze 32:20  They shall fall in the midst of them that are slain by the sword: she is delivered to the sword: draw her and all her multitudes. Eze 32:21  The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword. Eze 32:22  Asshur is there and all her company: his graves are about him: all of them slain, fallen by the sword: Eze 32:23  Whose graves are set in the sides of the pit, and her company is round about her grave: all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which caused terror in the land of the living. Eze 32:24  There is Elam and all her multitude round about her grave, all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which are gone down uncircumcised into the nether parts of the earth, which caused their terror in the land of the living; yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit. Eze 32:25  They have set her a bed in the midst of the slain with all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword: though their terror was caused in the land of the living, yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit: he is put in the midst of them that be slain. Eze 32:26  There is Meshech, Tubal, and all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword, though they caused their terror in the land of the living. Eze 32:27  And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living. Eze 32:28  Yea, thou shalt be broken in the midst of the uncircumcised, and shalt lie with them that are slain with the sword. Eze 32:29  There is Edom, her kings, and all her princes, which with their might are laid by them that were slain by the sword: they shall lie with the uncircumcised, and with them that go down to the pit. Eze 32:30  There be the princes of the north, all of them, and all the Zidonians, which are gone down with the slain; with their terror they are ashamed of their might; and they lie uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword, and bear their shame with them that go down to the pit. Eze 32:31  Pharaoh shall see them, and shall be comforted over all his multitude, even Pharaoh and all his army slain by the sword, saith the Lord GOD. Eze 32:32  For I have caused my terror in the land of the living: and he shall be laid in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that are slain with the sword, even Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD. Res. Rest. The angel had the *key* to open the bottomless pit, so its obvious that those demons were in prison and so is abaddon,their leader. You need to read the book of Enoch; he says that the angels that sinned during his days,are locked up:  also 1pet.3:19.20. 2pet.2:4.6.                     ***************** The beast that came out of the bottomless pit is the 8th world empire,which is of the seventh. The 8th beast *IS OF* the 7th,not out of the sea. The 8th beast came out of satans mind(idea). wakeup.

Sorry,

I do not go by Jewish myths.

The 8th head is OF the seven, not the seventh.

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Sorry, I do not go by Jewish myths. Res.

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Wakeup can translate that whole book of Enoch, word for word, and you will not find one single contradiction to the bible.

It's not a jewish fable, it's the word of God, and God did not want it to be part of the bible that we carry around, for the book of enoch is huge, and if one cannot understand the prophesies from the bible, then one will get really lost in the book of Enoch. So it's not for everyone. So it's like a little treat for those who are fully fed. I denied it for quite some time, but was shown I was wrong. This is the only other book I accept, because the other books have contradictions, and Enoch was mentioned in the scriptures and quoted, but you can't find Enoch included in the bibles we have.

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

You tell me where it says this in the scriptures like it states? Every prophesy quoted by Christ and the apostles in the NT can be traced. Every single one of them, but not this one. So it does exist.

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Quote (Resting @ April 04 2013,08:49) Sorry, I do not go by Jewish myths. Res. Resting Wakeup can translate that whole book of Enoch, word for word, and you will not find one single contradiction to the bible. It's not a jewish fable, it's the word of God, and God did not want it to be part of the bible that we carry around, for the book of enoch is huge, and if one cannot understand the prophesies from the bible, then one will get really lost in the book of Enoch.  So it's not for everyone. So it's like a little treat for those who are fully fed.  I denied it for quite some time, but was shown I was wrong.  This is the only other book I accept, because the other books have contradictions, and Enoch was mentioned in the scriptures and quoted, but you can't find Enoch included in the bibles we have. Jude 1:14   And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, You tell me where it says this in the scriptures like it states?  Every prophesy quoted by Christ and the apostles in the NT can be traced.  Every single one of them, but not this one.  So it does exist.

The book of Enoch was writings of Jewish and church mystics.

Jude quoted the verse because it was true but the most of the Enoch book is the sourse of the mystical beliefs of the false prophets.

Yes I did read it once but I left it in the library and I would not have it in my house.

Once the Lord gives you the truth on a matter then you can recognize the lies in the added books.

If you repeat the lies in it then it is because you do not know the difference.

Wakeup needs to wakeup about demons in hell being released to torment men.

It is just a lot of lies.

Res.

[journey42]

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Quote (journey42 @ April 04 2013,15:00) Quote (Resting @ April 04 2013,08:49) Sorry, I do not go by Jewish myths. Res. Resting Wakeup can translate that whole book of Enoch, word for word, and you will not find one single contradiction to the bible. It's not a jewish fable, it's the word of God, and God did not want it to be part of the bible that we carry around, for the book of enoch is huge, and if one cannot understand the prophesies from the bible, then one will get really lost in the book of Enoch.  So it's not for everyone. So it's like a little treat for those who are fully fed.  I denied it for quite some time, but was shown I was wrong.  This is the only other book I accept, because the other books have contradictions, and Enoch was mentioned in the scriptures and quoted, but you can't find Enoch included in the bibles we have. Jude 1:14   And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, You tell me where it says this in the scriptures like it states?  Every prophesy quoted by Christ and the apostles in the NT can be traced.  Every single one of them, but not this one.  So it does exist. The book of Enoch was writings of Jewish and church mystics. Jude quoted the verse because it was true but the most of the Enoch book is the sourse of the mystical beliefs of the false prophets. Yes I did read it once but I left it in the library and I would not have it in my house. Once the Lord gives you the truth on a matter then you can recognize the lies in the added books. If you repeat the lies in it then it is because you do not know the difference. Wakeup needs to wakeup about demons in hell being released to torment men. It is just a lot of lies. Res.

Resting I strongly disagree with you.
I thought the same at first. But it was just because I couldn't understand it. You possibly could not of read it all in the library. It's not Jewish. It talks mainly about the old world before the flood.

They reject everything that comes from God. It's not contradicting anything. Just ask wakeup if you have a question. Try him.
It was written even before the jews existed. If Enoch was quoted, then the Jews later who were learning (christian jews) must of had a copy somewhere? for they knew that scripture quoted. The copy would of been saved on Noah's boat.

By the way, we did not learn from the book of Enoch, but from the holy scriptures first. This is the book we hold in our hand. This is the book we received the truth from. We only read Enoch 2 years ago, being very sceptical and going through it like a fine tooth comb looking for faults, and contradictions but finding none.

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Resting,April wrote:

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Hi Res,

This is what came to mind after reading your explanations…

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Trumpet 1. Rev 8:7  The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. This is caused by the removal of Christs presence from the apostates so that the preachers are no longer anointed and  there is no feed. Ref. Joel ch 1:19-20. The burning up is by spiritual drought.

Christs presence never dwelt with apostates Res, that's why they are apostates…they have a spirit of error which feeds their spirit, so the feed they are feeding on is actually quite abundant because it is of the world…you can not remove something that just isn't there…also, since they are apostates, they were never anointed to begin with…Christ already knew who was His before the foundation of the world.
God has used literal hail and fire before Res, it should be no surprise that He is going to use it again.

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Trumpet 2. Rev 8:8  And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; Rev 8:9  And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. The apostate churches lose their protection from the desire of the wicked masses to rid themselves of them especially among nations of Islam etc. but also at home nations of the churches as they  have become worthy of destroying by this time. Babylonic churches are in view here, not Babylon the world system itself.

Since they are apostate, then they have the spirit of error which is already in the world and amongst all those who are not Christ's, thus and since the Spirit of Christ is not in them, then there is only one other spirit at work in the world they must draw from…and that spirit is Satan's. And since those apostates share the same spirit all other non believers partake of according to their own measures, then we can not forget that the world loves it own and that these apostates, like the unbelievers, will all be snared in the same net.
God has turned waters to blood before Res, where all the life in those waters died also…these were small examples done in the past which will be small fry compared to the coming calamities in store.

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Trumpet 3 Rev 8:10  And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; Rev 8:11  And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. This causes bitterness to break out among the churched as their kingdoms fall and and many depart from their little faith.

If you think about it, by your explanation, then only a third part of the apostate churches are affected! But what of the rest? Are they immune? But that would mean that those unaffected would continue on…which goes against your previous explanation & the whole theme you've set?

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Mat 24:9  Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. Mat 24:10  And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. Mat 24:11  And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Mat 24:12  And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Dual prophecy.
Happened before will happen again, this time on a global scale unprecedented.
God uses dualities regularly.

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Trumpet 4. Rev 8:12  And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. All light from God is no more in the establishments of old —

Again, according to the theme laid out…if all light from God is no more in the establishments of old…then God is only removing His light for a mere third part of the day & likewise the night! This implies they get it back after that short period if we run with your theme!
Res, God always provides the answers to His metaphors & if this were metaphoric…then by your interpretation of it we would have to discard the metaphors already supplied by God concerning the usage of stars, sun etc & that would go against God's already established & trusted explanations He already provided us with.

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Mic 3:1  And I said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel; Is it not for you to know judgment? Mic 3:2  Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones; Mic 3:3  Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron. Mic 3:4  Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings. Mic 3:5  Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him. Mic 3:6  Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them. Mic 3:7  Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God.

There is a duality in the above we can apply to the “Christian” world no doubt…God is big on examples.
These verses however are already literally fulfilled.
God hasn't answered the cry of their prophets for over 2000 years now Res, & who are “they”?….the heads of Jacob & the princes of the house of Israel as stated in verse 1 of this chapter.
Unless you accept replacement theology, Israel here is literal Israel..God always identifies them with the house of Jacob as he did in the opening verse…Christians are never called by that title.

Cheers.

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ April 04 2013,02:51) Quote (Resting @ April 03 2013,20:15) Quote (Wakeup @ April 03 2013,18:07) Rest. Thank you for all those scriptures. The 3 woes,meaning the 3 most *horrible* to come. The first woe(the 5th trumpet,vials),concerns locusts and painful stings. And all not sealed; try kill to themselves,but death will flee them for 5 months.I see this as physical stings,and physical pain,and physical death.The earth has been spiritually dead for 2000yrs.(Jer.25:38 for their land is desolate). The 5ft vial poured on the seat of the beast and they gnawed their tongeus for pain. Physical pain,for they have lived an evil life from the start,and is always in darkness. Dan.9:27.—-and for the overspreading of abominations,he shall make it desolate **EVEN UNTILL THE CONSUMMATION**,AND THAT DETERMINED SHALL BE POURED UPON THE DESOLATE.(desolate untill the consummation). Abaddon and his demons let out of the bottomless pit,and smoke came out.They are out to cause pain,not spiritual darkness,for they have been in the dark all along. wakeup. When did these demons go into the bottomless pit that they could be released from there? Have you studied what is today in the bottomless pit? Rev 11:7  And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. Eze 32:18  Son of man, wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit. Eze 32:19  Whom dost thou pass in beauty? go down, and be thou laid with the uncircumcised. Eze 32:20  They shall fall in the midst of them that are slain by the sword: she is delivered to the sword: draw her and all her multitudes. Eze 32:21  The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword. Eze 32:22  Asshur is there and all her company: his graves are about him: all of them slain, fallen by the sword: Eze 32:23  Whose graves are set in the sides of the pit, and her company is round about her grave: all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which caused terror in the land of the living. Eze 32:24  There is Elam and all her multitude round about her grave, all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which are gone down uncircumcised into the nether parts of the earth, which caused their terror in the land of the living; yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit. Eze 32:25  They have set her a bed in the midst of the slain with all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword: though their terror was caused in the land of the living, yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit: he is put in the midst of them that be slain. Eze 32:26  There is Meshech, Tubal, and all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword, though they caused their terror in the land of the living. Eze 32:27  And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living. Eze 32:28  Yea, thou shalt be broken in the midst of the uncircumcised, and shalt lie with them that are slain with the sword. Eze 32:29  There is Edom, her kings, and all her princes, which with their might are laid by them that were slain by the sword: they shall lie with the uncircumcised, and with them that go down to the pit. Eze 32:30  There be the princes of the north, all of them, and all the Zidonians, which are gone down with the slain; with their terror they are ashamed of their might; and they lie uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword, and bear their shame with them that go down to the pit. Eze 32:31  Pharaoh shall see them, and shall be comforted over all his multitude, even Pharaoh and all his army slain by the sword, saith the Lord GOD. Eze 32:32  For I have caused my terror in the land of the living: and he shall be laid in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that are slain with the sword, even Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD. Res. Rest. The angel had the *key* to open the bottomless pit, so its obvious that those demons were in prison and so is abaddon,their leader. You need to read the book of Enoch; he says that the angels that sinned during his days,are locked up:  also 1pet.3:19.20. 2pet.2:4.6.                     ***************** The beast that came out of the bottomless pit is the 8th world empire,which is of the seventh. The 8th beast *IS OF* the 7th,not out of the sea. The 8th beast came out of satans mind(idea). wakeup. Sorry, I do not go by Jewish myths. The 8th head is OF the seven, not the seventh. Res.

Resting.

Enoch the 7th from adam was taken up by God for a purpose. He had a job to do,and his job is to witness
the flood,and what was hapening before the flood.
There is not much info given in the old testament.

The book of Enoch explains in datail about what really happen before the flood, and the hystory of israel coming from egypt,and the garden of eden.

He is the one witness of the old world.
He also prophesied about Christ coming,the falling away,the corruptions in the churches,and also the son of perdition.
The book of Enoch,The 7th from Adam gives us more understanding in How it all started.

He uses symbols that only the well versed can understand.
One should not reject his information. His lingo is of old,and we should understand that. He calls the angels the watchers.
He also prophesied the second coming.

wakeup.

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Resting,April wrote: [/quote] Hi Res, This is what came to mind after reading your explanations… Quote Trumpet 1. Rev 8:7  The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. This is caused by the removal of Christs presence from the apostates so that the preachers are no longer anointed and  there is no feed. Ref. Joel ch 1:19-20. The burning up is by spiritual drought. Christs presence never dwelt with apostates Res, that's why they are apostates…they have a spirit of error which feeds their spirit, so the feed they are feeding on is actually quite abundant because it is of the world…you can not remove something that just isn't there…also, since they are apostates, they were never anointed to begin with…Christ already knew who was His before the foundation of the world. God has used literal hail and fire before Res, it should be no surprise that He is going to use it again. Quote Trumpet 2. Rev 8:8  And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; Rev 8:9  And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. The apostate churches lose their protection from the desire of the wicked masses to rid themselves of them especially among nations of Islam etc. but also at home nations of the churches as they  have become worthy of destroying by this time. Babylonic churches are in view here, not Babylon the world system itself. Since they are apostate, then they have the spirit of error which is already in the world and amongst all those who are not Christ's, thus and since the Spirit of Christ is not in them, then there is only one other spirit at work in the world they must draw from…and that spirit is Satan's. And since those apostates share the same spirit all other non believers partake of according to their own measures, then we can not forget that the world loves it own and that these apostates, like the unbelievers, will all be snared in the same net. God has turned waters to blood before Res, where all the life in those waters died also…these were small examples done in the past which will be small fry compared to the coming calamities in store. Quote Trumpet 3 Rev 8:10  And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; Rev 8:11  And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. This causes bitterness to break out among the churched as their kingdoms fall and and many depart from their little faith. If you think about it, by your explanation, then only a third part of the apostate churches are affected! But what of the rest? Are they immune? But that would mean that those unaffected would continue on…which goes against your previous explanation & the whole theme you've set? Quote Mat 24:9  Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. Mat 24:10  And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. Mat 24:11  And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Mat 24:12  And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Dual prophecy. Happened before will happen again, this time on a global scale unprecedented. God uses dualities regularly. Quote Trumpet 4. Rev 8:12  And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. All light from God is no more in the establishments of old — Again, according to the theme laid out…if all light from God is no more in the establishments of old…then God is only removing His light for a mere third part of the day & likewise the night! This implies they get it back after that short period if we run with your theme! Res, God always provides the answers to His metaphors & if this were metaphoric…then by your interpretation of it we would have to discard the metaphors already supplied by God concerning the usage of stars, sun etc & that would go against God's already established & trusted explanations He already provided us with. Quote Mic 3:1  And I said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel; Is it not for you to know judgment? Mic 3:2  Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones; Mic 3:3  Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron. Mic 3:4  Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings. Mic 3:5  Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him. Mic 3:6  Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them. Mic 3:7  Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God. There is a duality in the above we can apply to the “Christian” world no doubt…God is big on examples. These verses however are already literally fulfilled. God hasn't answered the cry of their prophets for over 2000 years now Res, & who are “they”?….the heads of Jacob & the princes of the house of Israel as stated in verse 1 of this chapter. Unless you accept replacement theology, Israel here is literal Israel..God always identifies them with the house of Jacob as he did in the opening verse…Christians are never called by that ti tle. Cheers.

Dev,

Apostate means they were once not apostate.

Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

These rule Islam out.

So does this–

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The temple of God here are the churches.

It is the abomination of desolation.

Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

What do you think will happen in the churches who will refuse to worship the beast??
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Res.

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Devolution @ April 05 2013,01:35) Quote (Resting @ April 03 2013,10:39) Hi Res, This is what came to mind after reading your explanations… Quote Trumpet 1. Rev 8:7  The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. This is caused by the removal of Christs presence from the apostates so that the preachers are no longer anointed and  there is no feed. Ref. Joel ch 1:19-20. The burning up is by spiritual drought. Christs presence never dwelt with apostates Res, that's why they are apostates…they have a spirit of error which feeds their spirit, so the feed they are feeding on is actually quite abundant because it is of the world…you can not remove something that just isn't there…also, since they are apostates, they were never anointed to begin with…Christ already knew who was His before the foundation of the world. God has used literal hail and fire before Res, it should be no surprise that He is going to use it again. Quote Trumpet 2. Rev 8:8  And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; Rev 8:9  And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. The apostate churches lose their protection from the desire of the wicked masses to rid themselves of them especially among nations of Islam etc. but also at home nations of the churches as they  have become worthy of destroying by this time. Babylonic churches are in view here, not Babylon the world system itself. Since they are apostate, then they have the spirit of error which is already in the world and amongst all those who are not Christ's, thus and since the Spirit of Christ is not in them, then there is only one other spirit at work in the world they must draw from…and that spirit is Satan's. And since those apostates share the same spirit all other non believers partake of according to their own measures, then we can not forget that the world loves it own and that these apostates, like the unbelievers, will all be snared in the same net. God has turned waters to blood before Res, where all the life in those waters died also…these were small examples done in the past which will be small fry compared to the coming calamities in store. Quote Trumpet 3 Rev 8:10  And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; Rev 8:11  And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. This causes bitterness to break out among the churched as their kingdoms fall and and many depart from their little faith. If you think about it, by your explanation, then only a third part of the apostate churches are affected! But what of the rest? Are they immune? But that would mean that those unaffected would continue on…which goes against your previous explanation & the whole theme you've set? Quote Mat 24:9  Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. Mat 24:10  And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. Mat 24:11  And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Mat 24:12  And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Dual prophecy. Happened before will happen again, this time on a global scale unprecedented. God uses dualities regularly. Quote Trumpet 4. Rev 8:12  And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. All light from God is no more in the establishments of old — Again, according to the theme laid out…if all light from God is no more in the establishments of old…then God is only removing His light for a mere third part of the day & likewise the night! This implies they get it back after that short period if we run with your theme! Res, God always provides the answers to His metaphors & if this were metaphoric…then by your interpretation of it we would have to discard the metaphors already supplied by God concerning the usage of stars, sun etc & that would go against God's already established & trusted explanations He already provided us with. Quote Mic 3:1  And I said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel; Is it not for you to know judgment? Mic 3:2  Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones; Mic 3:3  Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron. Mic 3:4  Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings. Mic 3:5  Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him. Mic 3:6  Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them. Mic 3:7  Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God. There is a duality in the above we can apply to the “Christian” world no doubt…God is big on examples. These verse s however are already literally fulfilled. God hasn't answered the cry of their prophets for over 2000 years now Res, & who are “they”?….the heads of Jacob & the princes of the house of Israel as stated in verse 1 of this chapter. Unless you accept replacement theology, Israel here is literal Israel..God always identifies them with the house of Jacob as he did in the opening verse…Christians are never called by that title. Cheers. Dev,  Apostate means they were once not apostate. Dan 11:37  Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. Dan 11:38  But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. These rule Islam out. So does this– 2Th 2:3  Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2Th 2:4  Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. The temple of God here are the churches. It is the abomination of desolation. Dan 12:11  And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. What do you think will happen in the churches who will refuse to worship the beast?? Rev 13:5  And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. Rev 13:6  And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. Rev 13:7  And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. Res.

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Apostate means they were once not apostate.UNQUOTE:

THE CHURSHES WERE NOT APOSTATE,BUT JUST LUKE WARM
AND BECOMING APOSTATE.

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Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.UNQUOTE.

*HE*, IS THE FALSE PROPHET(SON OF PERDITION).
HE DESIRES NO WOMEN(NO RELIGION) BECAUSE HE DECLARES HIMSELF GOD.
HIS GOD IS *POWER* AND PRECIOUS THINGS.

These rule Islam out. /TRUE.

So does this–/TRUE.

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2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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THE SON OF PERDITION WILL NOT COME UNTILL THE FALLING AWAY FIRST;THEN HE WILL SHOW HIMSELF.
WHEN HE COMES; HE WILL TAKE OVER CONTROL OF THE *SECULAR* AND THE *SPIRITUAL*(THE 2 HORNS ON HIS HEAD).HE WILL APPEAR AS A LAMB,BUT HE IS THE DRAGONS SON.

HE AND HIS ARMIES ( THE WESTERN ARMIES)WILL COME INTO JERUSALEM AND OCCUPY IT FOR 3/HALF YRS.
THE JEWS WILL BUILD THE TEMPLE FOR HIM,SO HE CAN SIT AS GOD.(HE WILL DESTROY THE DOME FOR THE JEWS).

THE *FALSE PROPHET* AND *THE BEAST*(EMPIRE) WILL BE CAST IN THE FIRE AT THE COMING.REV19:20.
THERE IS NO ONE SO CALLED **THE ANTI CHRIST**
THIS IS ERROR OR TO DECEIVE.THERE ARE ONLY 2 CAST IN THE FIRE.

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The temple of God here are the churches.UNQUOTE:

THE TEMPLE WILL BE BUILD FOR HIM IN JERUSALEM.
THIS IS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION **SET UP**

It is the abomination of desolation.* SET UP,IN DANIEL*.

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Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.UNQUOTE:

HIS OCCUPATION OF JERUSALEM TO THE TEMPLE SET UP WILL BE 3/HALF YRS; THEN THE COMING.

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What do you think will happen in the churches who will refuse to worship the beast??
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. UNQUOTE:

HE WILL PERSECUTE ALL THE CHRISTIANS THAT REFUSE TO TAKE THE MARK,AND AND SUBMIT TO HIM.
MANY HE WILL KILL.rev.7:9–14.

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THE TEMPLE WILL BE BUILD FOR HIM IN JERUSALEM. THIS IS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION **SET UP** It is the abomination of desolation.* SET UP,IN DANIEL*.

The Temple of God would never be a temple of stone in Jerusalem.

The NT Temple of God is the churches who are defiled by their love of money.

The wicked do not understand. Dan.ch 12.

A person in a stone temple who is calling himself God is understood by the wicked if that were true.

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Wakeup Quote THE TEMPLE WILL BE BUILD FOR HIM IN JERUSALEM. THIS IS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION **SET UP** It is the abomination of desolation.* SET UP,IN DANIEL*. The Temple of God would never be a temple of stone in Jerusalem. The NT Temple of God is the churches who are defiled by their love of money. The wicked do not understand. Dan.ch 12. A person in a stone temple who is calling himself God is understood by the wicked if that were true. Res.

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I agree; we are the temple of God, but not known to israel.
Israels dream is to rebuild solomons temple.

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The temple of God of 2 Thes ch 2 would not be the Jews temple because it would not be the temple of God nor could it be defiled when it would never be Holy.

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The temple of God of 2 Thes ch 2 would not be the Jews temple because it would not be the temple of God nor could it be defiled when it would never be Holy.

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Israel believe that when the third temple is rebuilt then their Messiah will come.
That is their belief, because they missed the boat already.
but the Dome is in the way.  To destroy it would create a major war for them with the Muslem nations.
This is where the false prophet comes in.
Israel will make a secret deal with him.
They have connived a plan to make it look innocent.
They have agreed for the false prophet and his beast (10 kings/armies) to come in and attack the city, and destroy that dome.
The muslem world are going to rejoice that Israel is attacked and taken over.
The false prophet will use Israel to rebuild the temple,
the Israelites will do it with pleasure, thinking their messiah will come now, when it's finished.
but the false prophet has decieved them, and takes over the city and the whole nation for real.
because in his heart, he wants to be the one to sit in that temple and be worshiped as god.
he then goes south towards Egyp and conquers other nations (muslem nations)
The muslem nations smell a rat,
and realise that they have been duped.
They team up together (The Medes) and prepare for war,
this is when they cross over the euphrates river that is now dried up to war with the false prophet and his beast.
Every nation joins in now and takes either side.
1/3 of men get killed, and Christ gives a sign in the sky to stop that war.
The armies shake hands now, and team up together, all of them as one.
There must be a little period of peace now, as troops will have to reposition etc.
The temple is finally built and completed.
Daniel tells us that when the temple is declared finished, and the false prophet sits in there as god,
then wait a further 10 days,
because that is when the Lord will come.
The two witnesses are finished

When Christ comes, that temple, and every building in Israel will be destroyed.  Christ will not sit in that same temple.  The city of Jerusalem will be split into three parts, and the great earthquake is going to re-landscape not only that area, but the whole earth.

John 2:19   Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

We know he was not talking about a physical temple, but a spiritual temple.  Christ also told us that we are the temple of God, so we ought to keep our temple clean so that God can dwell inside us.

So when Christ sets up his kingdom in Jerusalem, God is still dwelling in his temple (spiritual temple) and also in the saints temples (spiritual temples) and also in the Israelites temples (spiritual temples) just like he is dwelling in ours right now, for they will be worshiping him.

So it's God that doesn't dwell in temples made out of stone, and that is to show us that if we love him, he will dwell in us, and go everywhere with us.
Christ is spirit now, and spirit does not need to dwell in anything material like a building,
but the scriptures say that Christ will dwell there in Jerusalem, so that he can be with the people,
and there will be a physical city there, with God's laws governing,
and physical buildings there with houses for those of the flesh to dwell in,
and a physical temple there, so that they can come and pray, worship and know where to find Christ, for he will be on his throne ruling.
And flesh people cannot see through walls,
but can worship in the same spirit that Christ does.

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and a physical temple there, so that they can come and pray, worship and know where to find Christ, for he will be on his throne ruling.

Definately not.

Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Rev 21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
Rev 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
Rev 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
Rev 21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

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Good checking of the scriptures, Res.

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