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Camillia.
Do you believe that Christ is ruling now for 2000years?
If so; then why all the divisions; should we all not be one, in the one spirit?
And on top of that; why is there a falling away coming?
You are picturing Christ as incapable to rule, are you not?
Is satan then not guilty of the wars and miseries, because he is in prison?
In the kingdom there will be peace; no more pain, sorrows, and wars.
Christ will rule with a rod of iron. How can you say that Christ is ruling now? When things are getting worse?
Plus his kingdom will be for one thousand years; not two thousand years. Why the change?
Christ will set up His kingdom AFTER Babylon is destroyed, not from 2000years ago.
Babylon will be heaps of rubble. Israel will be made as paradise.THE RESTRAINER:
The re strainer is God; it is up to Him when the son of perdition will be revealed.
Only He will let who will let. God is in control of His plan.
The gospel will be preached into all nations, FOR A WITNESS ONLY.
The land is desolate; UNTIL THE CONSUMATION. The Christian world today is SPIRITUALLY desolate.
Don’t get too comfy. The shepherds are for hire; scattering the flock. See Jer.25.
God is angry; He will roar from on high.Within the same storyline I do feel it is in chronological order but there is more than one story line is Revelations.
Kerwin, yes there is more than one story line…. I found starting from the beginning each story was not in Chronological order, and stories seemed to be retold from a different aspect.
Jeremiah 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will **TAKE** you one of a city, and two of a family, **AND I WILL BRING YOU TO ZION**.
I WILL TAKE YOU AND BRING YOU TO ZION. THE ONES THAT ARE LEFT WILL NOT BE BROUGHT TO ZIONWakeup, yes i just read it, and continued reading.
Jeremiah 7.
7 The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying, 2 “Stand in the gate of the Lord’s house and proclaim there this word and say, ‘Hear the word of the Lord, all you of Judah, who enter by these gates to worship the Lord!’” 3 Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, “Amend your ways and your deeds, and I will let you dwell in this place. 4 Do not trust in deceptive words, saying, ‘This is the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord.’ 5 For if you truly amend your ways and your deeds, if you truly practice justice between a man and his neighbor, 6 if you do not oppress the alien, the orphan, or the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place, nor walk after other gods to your own ruin, 7 then I will let you dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers forever and ever.
23 But this is what I commanded them, saying, ‘Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you will be My people; and you will walk in all the way which I command you, that it may be well with you.’ 24 Yet they did not obey or incline their ear, but walked in their own counsels and in the stubbornness of their evil heart, and went backward and not forward. 25 Since the day that your fathers came out of the land of Egypt until this day, I have sent you all My servants the prophets, daily rising early and sending them. 26 Yet they did not listen to Me or incline their ear, but stiffened their neck; they did more evil than their fathers.
And, what did Jesus say?
Matt 23:
37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. 38 Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! 39 For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’”
Back to Jeremiah 7:
30 For the sons of Judah have done that which is evil in My sight,” declares the Lord, “they have set their detestable things in the house which is called by My name, to defile it. 31 They have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, and it did not come into My mind.
32 “Therefore, behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when it will no longer be called Topheth, or the valley of the son of Hinnom, but the valley of the Slaughter; for they will bury in Topheth because there is no other place. 33 The dead bodies of this people will be food for the birds of the sky and for the beasts of the earth; and no one will frighten them away. 34 Then I will make to cease from the cities of Judah and from the streets of Jerusalem the voice of joy and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride; for the land will become a ruin.
Isn’t that in Revelations.
His mark will be placed IN the hand,or IN the forehead.
How is a microchip placed in the forehead.
WITHOUT THAT MARK; NO ONE CAN BUY OR SELL. CAN’T HAVE A JOB,BANK ACCOUNT,OR ANYTHING.
CHRISTIANS MUST MAKE A DECISION TO TAKE THE MARK, OR TO REJECT THE MARK.
SAVE YOUR LIFE FOR BREAD; OR DIE FOR CHRIST AND HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.
HE WHO SAVES HIS LIFE SHALL LOOSE IT,AND HE WHO LOSES HIS LIFE FOR MY SAKE SHALL FIND LIFE.Sure, Wakeup.
So, if receiving a microchip become mandatory, we can all go live in communes.
However, what if you are wrong, what if the mark is unseen?
What if you are calling to people, “beware the microchip is coming!”, when, all along, it is something else, something deeper.
That’s a bit like distracting people away from what is really happening.
Just saying, what if you are wrong?
Hi Wakeup.
Do you believe that Christ is ruling now for 2000years?
Is Christ ruling in a true christian?
If so; then why all the divisions; should we all not be one, in the one spirit?
Don’t all share the same spirit if they are true?
And on top of that; why is there a falling away coming?
A falling away was prophesied to happen.
You are picturing Christ as incapable to rule, are you not?
If Christ is ruling in a persons heart, and they have completely changed their life around, that is not “incapable”.
Is satan then not guilty of the wars and miseries, because he is in prison?
Been over this before, Wakeup.
Is a guard dog on a chain incapable of biting when one gets too close?
In the kingdom there will be peace; no more pain, sorrows, and wars.
Soon to come (eternity). There will also be no more death.
Plus his kingdom will be for one thousand years; not two thousand years. Why the change?
Do you take all of Revelations literally.
Israel will be made as paradise.
Where does it say that. (Please only refer to the New Testament, because the NT explains the old).
The gospel will be preached into all nations, FOR A WITNESS ONLY.
Not as a witness only.
For SALVATION to the ends of the earth, (Acts 13:47).The land is desolate; UNTIL THE CONSUMATION. The Christian world today is SPIRITUALLY desolate.
Don’t get too comfy. The shepherds are for hire; scattering the flock. See Jer.25.
God is angry; He will roar from on high.The land has not been desolate, Wakeup.
Rev 7:
9. After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands…
13 “These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?” I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them. They will hunger no longer, nor thirst anymore; nor will the sun beat down on them, nor any heat; for the Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd, and will guide them to springs of the [d]water of life; and God will wipe every tear from their eyes.”
Camellia.
The mark of the beast must be a physical mark, because they need to show the mark to be able to buy or sell,
to get a job, or a bank account.
Many have already taken the mark voluntarily. Even new born babies, for safety reasons.
Pet animals have them for many years now.
It will be placed in the right hand; and if one have no arm; it will be placed in the forehead.
With the mark, there can be no more money launderings, tax cheater, drug dealings, robbery, terrorists can not operate.
The mark is not only for Christians, but for all the population.
wakeup.
camellia.
If one is in spiritual Zion,He/she follows Christ and he is the king.
But ChrisT is speaking of ruling a NATIONS as king of kings; and His saints with Him.
He will rule in His PHYSICAL kingdom: and only then will knowledge cover the earth as the sea cover the earth; but not now.
The multitude mentioned in rev.7 does not consist of the last generation Christians only;but of many generations.
Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their FELLOW SERVANTS ALSO AND THEIR BRETHREN, THAT SHOULD BE KILLED AS THEY WERE, should be fulfilled. All those saints will come together in the last day?
The land is desolate:
Jeremiah 25:31 A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 25:32 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
Jeremiah 25:33 And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.
Jeremiah 25:34 Howl, ye shepherds, and cry; and wallow yourselves in the ashes, ye principal of the flock: for the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions are accomplished; and ye shall fall like a pleasant vessel.
Jeremiah 25:35 And the shepherds shall have no way to flee, nor the principal of the flock to escape.
Jeremiah 25:36 A voice of the cry of the shepherds, and an howling of the principal of the flock, shall be heard: for the LORD hath spoiled their pasture.
Jeremiah 25:37 And the peaceable habitations are cut down because of the fierce anger of the LORD.
Jeremiah 25:38 He hath forsaken his covert, as the lion: FOR THE LAND IS DESOLATE because of the fierceness of the OPPRESSOR, and because of his fierce anger. GOD HAS SPOKEN,AND CAN NOT BE CHANGED.
wakeup.
Camilia,
Kerwin, yes there is more than one story line…. I found starting from the beginning each story was not in Chronological order, and stories seemed to be retold from a different aspect.
If they are not in chronological order then unless you believe they are in some other order you can pick and choose what you want to go where. There are two accounting of the same time period one right after the other. For example the 144,000 and the multitude before the throne appear as the same group.
The mark of the beast must be a physical mark, because they need to show the mark to be able to buy or sell,
to get a job, or a bank account.
Taking Revelations too literal, imo.
Many have already taken the mark voluntarily. Even new born babies, for safety reasons.
I had a special needs relation who could have benefited from a microchip. Not saying I defend the use of microchips, but nevertheless, if they began widespread use of microchips, we can say no – it’s no big deal – not such a big deal as many make it, imo.
Now if it is a spiritual and unseen mark – a different story all together..
Wakeup – when Jesus said “Or no flesh would be saved”…. what type of “saved” was he meaning. (Hint: The flesh profits nothing).
It will be placed in the right hand; and if one have no arm; it will be placed in the forehead.
“In the forehead”? lol.
If one is in spiritual Zion,He/she follows Christ and he is the king.
But you just finished saying the other day that Christ “failed” because he has not ruled yet. Now you’re saying that if we are His, then He rules us. Contradiction.
But ChrisT is speaking of ruling a NATIONS as king of kings; and His saints with Him.
He will rule in His PHYSICAL kingdom: and only then will knowledge cover the earth as the sea cover the earth; but not now.
Knowledge of Christ and God already covers the earth, it is no longer contained to one nation is it? Truth covers the whole world, but only some accept that truth. His kingdom is now heavenly, though it flows out from heaven to the believers who are a part of HIS kingdom.
Who’s kingdom is this:
Matthew 13:
24 “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away. 26 But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. 27 The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”
31 He presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field; 32 and this is smaller than all other seeds, but when it is full grown, it is larger than the garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and nest in its branches.”
33 He spoke another parable to them, “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three pecks of flour until it was all leavened.”
34 All these things Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables, and He did not speak to them without a parable. 35 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet:
“I will open My mouth in parables;
I will utter things hidden since the foundation of the world.”36 Then He left the crowds and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.” 37 And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, 38 and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. 40 So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
44 “The kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found and hid again; and from joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field.
45 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking fine pearls, 46 and upon finding one pearl of great value, he went and sold all that he had and bought it.
47 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet cast into the sea, and gathering fish of every kind; 48 and when it was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the bad they threw away. 49 So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, 50 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
51 “Have you understood all these things?” They *said to Him, “Yes.” 52 And Jesus said to them, “Therefore every scribe who has become a disciple of the kingdom of heaven is like a head of a household, who brings out of his treasure things new and old.”
If they are not in chronological order then unless you believe they are in some other order you can pick and choose what you want to go where. There are two accounting of the same time period one right after the other. For example the 144,000 and the multitude before the throne appear as the same group.
Kerwin, I had the feeling that Revelations was not chronological, and each story seemed to be retold from a different perspective. The Eastern Orthodox who I agree with on this matter believe no ordinary person should try to understand the book themselves. Only some have delved into its pages to seek a true understanding…. and their understanding was the same as mine – Amil.
I would like to go through it again though maybe.
Are you going through it atm?
Hi Camellia.
I never said that christ failed.
I said IF Christ is ruling in his kingdom now. then why all the splinters, with each their own doctrine?
And why are things getting worse, plus the falling away still coming.
To teach that Christ has been ruling for two thousand years, **IS TRULY SAYING** that Christ can not rule properly.As I have said before; if one dwelleth in the city of God Zion,He/she is with Christ, and follow Christ.
But His PHYSICAL kingdom is coming to Israel; and it will be for 1000years ONLY. All the saints will rule with Him.
The kingdom of God is within each person. It is for them to discover it. Seek and ye shall find.HERE ARE THE TRUE FOLLOWERS;NOT MANY I’M AFRAID.
Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the MOUNT SION, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.
Revelation 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
Revelation 14:3 AND THEY SUNG AS IT WERE A NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: AND NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Revelation 14:4 These are they which were NOT DEFILED WITH WOMEN; FOR THEY ARE VIRGINS. THESE ARE THEY WHICH FOLLOW THE LAMB WHITHERSOEVER HE GOETH. These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Revelation 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are WITHOUT FAULT before the throne of God.
ITS CLEAR THAT NOT TOO MANY ARE TRUE WORSHIPPERS BUT THE 144000.
AND NOT TOO MANY KNOW THAT NEW SONG.John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, WHICH THE SON OF MAN SHALL GIVE TO YOU: ***FOR HIM HAD THE FATHER SEALED***.
BTW:THE WORD REVELATION MEANS TO REVEAL;NOT TO HIDE.
Shalom.
wakeup.Camillia.
jesus was speaking of the war; so it is obvious what he means.
Saved from getting killed.wakeup.
HERE ARE THE TRUE FOLLOWERS;NOT MANY I’M AFRAID.
Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the MOUNT SION, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.
Revelation 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
Revelation 14:3 AND THEY SUNG AS IT WERE A NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: AND NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Revelation 14:4 These are they which were NOT DEFILED WITH WOMEN; FOR THEY ARE VIRGINS. THESE ARE THEY WHICH FOLLOW THE LAMB WHITHERSOEVER HE GOETH. These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Revelation 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are WITHOUT FAULT before the throne of God.
ITS CLEAR THAT NOT TOO MANY ARE TRUE WORSHIPPERS BUT THE 144000.Hi Wakeup.
Well then who is the great crowd which could not be numbered? They are NOT the 144,000 Jews, because they are from every nation, language and people, (and the 144000 are numbered, whereas this crowd cannot be numbered).
Kerwin, apologies, I forgot to address your point.
There are two accounting of the same time period one right after the other. For example the 144,000 and the multitude before the throne appear as the same group.
I don’t believe this is the same group.
Camillia.
jesus was speaking of the war; so it is obvious what he means.
Saved from getting killed.wakeup.
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
You believe it means being saved from dyeing.
Bear in mind that Jesus said the flesh profits nothing.
The Greek word can mean ensure salvation.
Just saying.Camellia.
Every true believer, Christians are spiritual jews.
Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are JEWS, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are JEWS, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
The multitudes are them that came out of tribulation.
But not only of the last generation; but of all generation Christians.
Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal,
I SAW UNDER THE ALTAR THE SOULS OF THEM THAT WERE SLAIN FOR THE WORD OF GOD, and for the testimony which they held:Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, THAT SHOULD BE KILLED AS THEY WERE, should be fulfilled.
wakeup.
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