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March 21, 2012 at 6:32 pm#286637

Ed J

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Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 22 2012,04:32)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 22 2012,04:19)

Hi Wakeup,

You should let Scripture interpret Scripture NOT your mind!
“Because the carnal mind is enmity against God” (Rom.8:7)

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also
which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
“Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,” (Heb 12:1)
Prov 16:15 In the light of the king's countenance is life; and his favour is as a cloud of “The Latter Rain”(151).

The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 !
God's Name [יהוה] translates DIRECTLY into English as “YHVH”=63
Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
[“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.

…….74 x 2 =148
1) “The Passover”=148…………….“The Passover”: made possible “Pentecost”=117
…“Messiah: Jesus”=148…………….“JESUS CHRIST”=151 was/is “the Testator”=151!

2) “Pentecost”=117…………………Started the “God Spirit”=117(Holy Spirit), which
…“Former Rain”=117……………….is “GOD THE FATHER”=117 reigning in believers!

3) “Feast of Booths”=151…………begins The “HOLY SPIRIT”=151(The LORD JEHOVAH=151)
“Tabernacles Feast”=151 …………“Tabernacles Feast”=151; is the culmination of all “three”!
…“The Latter Rain”=151……………“HolySpirit” ruling: is “PROOF OF GOD”=117! (Rev.11:15)

God's Signature
Proof of God=117
GOD(26) → The Bible(63) → AKJV Bible(74) → The LORD JEHOVAH(151)

יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)
HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים)

B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
(LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)

EDJ.

To me every eye means exactly every eye.
Who pierced him means who pierced him.
He went up in the cloud(physical cloud).
He will come down from the cloud (physical cloud)
One should not add things to what is there; to make it fit what ever doctrine. THIS IS HAPPENING ALL THE TIME,I noticed,over and over again. They always manipulate the words.(they meaning the so called prophesy learneds).

wakeup.

Hi Wake-up,

Isaiah 28:10-13 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line;
here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line;
here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood,
which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

March 21, 2012 at 6:33 pm#286638

Ed J

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Hi Wake-up,

“Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but
can't tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.” (John 3:7-8)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

March 22, 2012 at 1:27 am#286720

Wakeup

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 22 2012,05:33)

Hi Wake-up,

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

EDJ.

Are the jews born again?
yet they will see him coming.
be reasonable in your discussions or it will go no where.
It will be a mickey mouse discussion.

wakeup.

March 22, 2012 at 8:01 am#286771

Wakeup

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 22 2012,01:24)

Hi Wakeup,

Christ returned (in spirit form) at “Pentecost“.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

EDJ.

This is another twist again; Christ has retuned in spirit.
There is no scripture that can back that up.
This is an imagination of the mind.The twisting and turning of the scriptures.
Ed,you will get bogged down,the truth can not be changed into a lie.

wakeup.

March 22, 2012 at 2:11 pm#286782

Devolution

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 22 2012,01:24)

Hi Wakeup,

Christ returned (in spirit form) at “Pentecost“.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Ed J,

First,

Christ did not return at Pentecost.
Where in scripture is this written?
It is not anywhere in scripture.

Therefore, it is not “of scripture”.

And since it is not of scripture, and wakeups argument is based on actual written scripture, until you can provide scripture to back your argument, then wakeups argument has far more authority than yours, which has no scripture to back it at all.

The Holy Spirit, not Jesus, came on Pentecost, sent by the Father (Acts 1:4-5).

Nobody could see this Spirit arriving, but instead, heard the whooshing noise etc..

This in itself, even IF it were His coming, cancels out many many prophecies concerning the manner of His coming anyway…so straight away, we can discern that it is in error.

Second,

Acts 1:9
And when He had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.

So, the Apostles, who are men, men can not see spirit, saw Jesus ascending up….

If, therefore, the Apostles, who are men, saw with their human eyes Jesus ascending, then all men could see this also if they were present.

And what did the angel say to the Apostles as they stood gazing up after Jesus?

Acts 1:10-11
And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into heaven.

Did the thousands of men present at Pentecost see Jesus coming in the same manner the Apostles saw Him ascending? Coming on the clouds? With their own human eyes? NO.

Was Pentecost held on the Mount of Olive's where Jesus ascended, being the same place to which He will descend of which Zechariah speaks?

NO, it was held in the city of Jerusalem.

Therefore, by these truths also, Jesus did NOT return at Pentecost.

Have you not read how ALL the kings & peoples of the earth shall see His coming in the clouds? How they shall all mourn at this appearing?

That means that they will see Him just as the angel declared to the Apostles, that in like manner of His departing, so shall also be His 2nd coming….

And since this did not happen at Pentecost, then Jesus' 2nd coming has not happened either.

And since His 2nd coming has not happened either, then the kingdom is not yet established here on earth either.

And since His kingdom is not yet established here on earth, then Satan's kingdom is still ruling.

And since Satan's kingdom is still ruling, then revelations prophecies are still pending…

And since the prophecies are still pending, then the false prophet has not yet arrived.

And since the false prophet has not yet arrived, then he has not reigned for 7 years.

And since he has not reigned for 7 years, then it is still a future event.

And since it is still future, then you have a big problem, and are wrestling with the scriptures.

Scripture, of which, by your interpretation, does not actually have quotable scripture backing…

So who should one listen to…

One who's argument is based in actual written biblical scripture able to be quoted for reference which backs ones argument…

One who's argument is not based in actual quotable scripture, but, instead, uses history (which by the way, still does not fit scripture), instead of scripture itself, as the basis for a “scriptural argument”, to use, against, an actual quotable scripturally based declaration?

Please think about these things Ed J.

Cheers.

March 22, 2012 at 2:37 pm#286785

Wakeup

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Quote (Devolution @ Mar. 23 2012,01:11)