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Hi Everybody,
Now that David is back, I think this might be a lively discussion.
The 14 Commandments of the JEHOVAH Witnesses Organization; are there really 14?
These are based entirely on the teachings found on Page 122 of ‘What does the bible [really] teach?'1) Thou shalt have none other gods before JEHOVAH.
2) Thou shalt not make thee any graven image.
3) Thou shalt not take the name of JEHOVAH thy God in vain.
4) Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as JEHOVAH thy God hath commanded you.
5) Honor thy father and thy mother.
6) Thou shalt not kill.
7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8) Thou shalt not steal.
9) Thou shalt not Lie.
10) Thou shalt not covet .
11) Thou shalt not associate with drunkards.
12) Thou shalt not give or accept blood transfusions.
13) Thou shalt not participate in politics.
14) Thou shalt not do recreational drugs (including tobacco).In the Name of יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orghi Ed j
the #4 is not to be applied if you are a Christian.
#9 refers to the JW telling everyone 1975 is the end and the beginning of the 1000years of Christ reign.this sins 1964 until 1973 when the admitted that it never going to happen.
but the had increased in numbers because many trusted them.
this could include #10.
if you join them you have to accept the authority of their “faithful and discreet slave”
this is #15Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 16 2009,19:43) Hi Everybody, Now that David is back, I think this might be a lively discussion.
The 14 Commandments of the JEHOVAH Witnesses Organization; are there really 14?
These are based entirely on the teachings found on Page 122 of ‘What does the bible [really] teach?'1) Thou shalt have none other gods before JEHOVAH.
2) Thou shalt not make thee any graven image.
3) Thou shalt not take the name of JEHOVAH thy God in vain.
4) Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as JEHOVAH thy God hath commanded you.
5) Honor thy father and thy mother.
6) Thou shalt not kill.
7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8) Thou shalt not steal.
9) Thou shalt not Lie.
10) Thou shalt not covet .
11) Thou shalt not associate with drunkards.
12) Thou shalt not give or accept blood transfusions.
13) Thou shalt not participate in politics.
14) Thou shalt not do recreational drugs (including tobacco).In the Name of יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So what?Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 16 2009,21:20) hi Ed j
the #4 is not to be applied if you are a Christian.
#9 refers to the JW telling everyone 1975 is the end and the beginning of the 1000years of Christ reign.this sins 1964 until 1973 when the admitted that it never going to happen.
but the had increased in numbers because many trusted them.
this could include #10.
if you join them you have to accept the authority of their “faithful and discreet slave”
this is #15
#4 is of your opinion, my opinion is keep the Sabbath Holy and Sanctified.#9 May not be a lie, depends if it was iaw with a prophecy handed down, or was it iaw just trying to figure out times and dates. I have seen many church's try to do the latter and come up short. But if it was in accordance to their own prophetic revelation then it is a problem.
hi Ron
ether way it is not acceptable to use God name to fulfill your way of thinking ,i have no problem to believe that there must be different churches and views this was foretold by Christ and the apostles,but i am again telling lies and seducing people to believe in it.
i know you will tell me that the people are deduced by there own hearts,it does not change the fact that it is a lie.as for the Sabbath,
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,you have to keep in mind the reason for the Sabbath was to do Gods will not yours on that day.
as Christians our lives are an sabbath because we should do 24/7 all for God and Christ every dayhi Ron
and because you living in perpetual Sabbath before God and Christ we should be always living a Holy and sanctified liveQuote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 17 2009,18:45) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 16 2009,21:20) hi Ed j
the #4 is not to be applied if you are a Christian.
#9 refers to the JW telling everyone 1975 is the end and the beginning of the 1000years of Christ reign.this sins 1964 until 1973 when the admitted that it never going to happen.
but the had increased in numbers because many trusted them.
this could include #10.
if you join them you have to accept the authority of their “faithful and discreet slave”
this is #15
#4 is of your opinion, my opinion is keep the Sabbath Holy and Sanctified.#9 May not be a lie, depends if it was iaw with a prophecy handed down, or was it iaw just trying to figure out times and dates. I have seen many church's try to do the latter and come up short. But if it was in accordance to their own prophetic revelation then it is a problem.
Read Exodus 312:16-17
Unless you are a Jew, it is for the Children of Israel and not us Gentles. We are under the New Covenant in
Luke 22:20 …” This is the New Covenant in My Blood which is shed for you,”
Then Jesus magnified the Law on the Sermon on the Mount and gave us the great Commandment in
Math. 22:37
Jesus to;d him:” You shall Love the LORD your God with all your Heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.”
verse 38
“This is the first and great Commandment.
verse 39
“And the second is like it:”You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
verse 40
“One these two commandments hang all the Law and the prophets.”
Let me show you what it says in
Exodus 31:16-17
“Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath THROUGHOUT THEIR GERNARATION AS A PERETUAL COVENANT.
verse 17
“IT IS A SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEl FOREVER……….
Pretty clear to me.
Peace and Love Irenehi georg
if you are a Jew you follow the law and expect to be saved by the law .end of comment
if you are believing in Christ sacrifices then you follow Christ direction and also his disciples teachings ,the sabbath is the for shadow of things to come ,sabbath is were you do all things not for you but for God,what is GOD ask us to do at all times ,Paul said whatever you do do it for the glory of God and Christ ,do you understand this?
this means you do not live for yourself any longer but for GOD and in this way you live in a perpetual SABBATH ,THE SABBATH OF CHRIST,
he stayed in the grave for us during the day of sabbath after he died,
eu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, norQuote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2009,08:59) hi georg
if you are a Jew you follow the law and expect to be saved by the law .end of comment
if you are believing in Christ sacrifices then you follow Christ direction and also his disciples teachings ,the sabbath is the for shadow of things to come ,sabbath is were you do all things not for you but for God,what is GOD ask us to do at all times ,Paul said whatever you do do it for the glory of God and Christ ,do you understand this?
this means you do not live for yourself any longer but for GOD and in this way you live in a perpetual SABBATH ,THE SABBATH OF CHRIST,
he stayed in the grave for us during the day of sabbath after he died,
eu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor
Hi Terraricca,The Spiritual application you mention is correct!
Are you forgetting that Nationally in the U.S.A. we get two days off from work per week?
I believe the people in Israel only get one.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2009,08:59) hi georg
if you are a Jew you follow the law and expect to be saved by the law .end of comment
if you are believing in Christ sacrifices then you follow Christ direction and also his disciples teachings ,the sabbath is the for shadow of things to come ,sabbath is were you do all things not for you but for God,what is GOD ask us to do at all times ,Paul said whatever you do do it for the glory of God and Christ ,do you understand this?
this means you do not live for yourself any longer but for GOD and in this way you live in a perpetual SABBATH ,THE SABBATH OF CHRIST,
he stayed in the grave for us during the day of sabbath after he died,
eu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor
First of all it is Irene who made that post, second of all even in Exodus 34:27 it tells you that it is for the Children of Israel.
If Jesus wanted us to keep the Sabbath don't you think He would have said something about that, which He did not.
Even though He did keep it because He was Jewish.
Paul also tells us that some esteem one day and another, another and all give praise and Honor to God.
Romans 14:5-6 One man regards one day above another, another every day alike.
Let each man be fully convinced in His mind.
verse 6 He who observes the day , observes to the LORD, and He who does not, does not…….
As far as what I belief, I think since the Holy Spirit lives in us that every day should be an Honor to God. Also if Sin is not imputed to us, what does that exactly mean?
In Ephesians 2:8
“For by grace you have been saved through Faith and that not of yourself, it is a gift from God.
verse 9 not of works lest anyone should boast.
verse 10
We are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
You give us a Scripture but you say
eu 5:14 Do you mean, yes, you did I looked it up.
Again what you are forgetting that God is talking to the children of Israel and Mose their leader.
Also if you want to keep the Old Covenant Law it says in
Galatians 5:1-4
Read it. I am not going to write it all down for you. You should prove it to yourself, I have.
In fact read all of Galatians. At one point He calls them foolish Galatians.
Also read especially Chapter 4:22-31
There is no Sabbath of Christ. Where did you read that. Always post a Scripture with what you belief.
IreneQuote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 17 2009,18:40) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 16 2009,19:43) Hi Everybody, Now that David is back, I think this might be a lively discussion.
The 14 Commandments of the JEHOVAH Witnesses Organization; are there really 14?
These are based entirely on the teachings found on Page 122 of ‘What does the bible [really] teach?'1) Thou shalt have none other gods before JEHOVAH.
2) Thou shalt not make thee any graven image.
3) Thou shalt not take the name of JEHOVAH thy God in vain.
4) Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as JEHOVAH thy God hath commanded you.
5) Honor thy father and thy mother.
6) Thou shalt not kill.
7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8) Thou shalt not steal.
9) Thou shalt not Lie.
10) Thou shalt not covet .
11) Thou shalt not associate with drunkards.
12) Thou shalt not give or accept blood transfusions.
13) Thou shalt not participate in politics.
14) Thou shalt not do recreational drugs (including tobacco).In the Name of יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So what?
I think the point is that the bible has 10 or so commandments and the JWs have added some.I think the message is that the JWs add to the requirements and hence the additions are probably irrelevant.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2009,12:13) hi Irene
i quoted Deu;5-1to 4
It does not matter that Covenant is not for us Gentiles, but for the Israelites. And it was I not Georg.
IreneQuote (t8 @ Dec. 18 2009,12:17) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 17 2009,18:40) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 16 2009,19:43) Hi Everybody, Now that David is back, I think this might be a lively discussion.
The 14 Commandments of the JEHOVAH Witnesses Organization; are there really 14?
These are based entirely on the teachings found on Page 122 of ‘What does the bible [really] teach?'1) Thou shalt have none other gods before JEHOVAH.
2) Thou shalt not make thee any graven image.
3) Thou shalt not take the name of JEHOVAH thy God in vain.
4) Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as JEHOVAH thy God hath commanded you.
5) Honor thy father and thy mother.
6) Thou shalt not kill.
7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8) Thou shalt not steal.
9) Thou shalt not Lie.
10) Thou shalt not covet .
11) Thou shalt not associate with drunkards.
12) Thou shalt not give or accept blood transfusions.
13) Thou shalt not participate in politics.
14) Thou shalt not do recreational drugs (including tobacco).In the Name of יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So what?
I think the point is that the bible has 10 or so commandments and the JWs have added some.I think the message is that the JWs add to the requirements and hence the additions are probably irrelevant.
t8 whether there were 10 or 12, or 14 the fact is we are not under that Covenant. Look at the post I made before yours. All the Scriptures are there to prove my point.
IreneQuote (terraricca @ Dec. 17 2009,08:24) hi Ron
ether way it is not acceptable to use God name to fulfill your way of thinking ,i have no problem to believe that there must be different churches and views this was foretold by Christ and the apostles,but i am again telling lies and seducing people to believe in it.
i know you will tell me that the people are deduced by there own hearts,it does not change the fact that it is a lie.as for the Sabbath,
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,you have to keep in mind the reason for the Sabbath was to do Gods will not yours on that day.
as Christians our lives are an sabbath because we should do 24/7 all for God and Christ every day
I agree, oh, and 1Corinthians chapter 2 deals with sacrificial / ceremonial meats and practices, not common foods. But ty for posting it.Quote (banana @ Dec. 17 2009,17:42) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2009,12:13) hi Irene
i quoted Deu;5-1to 4
It does not matter that Covenant is not for us Gentiles, but for the Israelites. And it was I not Georg.
Irene
The Gentiles were expected to follow the Noahide laws (Covenant made with Noah) which were similiar to Deuteronomy.Quote (banana @ Dec. 17 2009,17:44) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 18 2009,12:17) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 17 2009,18:40) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 16 2009,19:43) Hi Everybody, Now that David is back, I think this might be a lively discussion.
The 14 Commandments of the JEHOVAH Witnesses Organization; are there really 14?
These are based entirely on the teachings found on Page 122 of ‘What does the bible [really] teach?'1) Thou shalt have none other gods before JEHOVAH.
2) Thou shalt not make thee any graven image.
3) Thou shalt not take the name of JEHOVAH thy God in vain.
4) Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as JEHOVAH thy God hath commanded you.
5) Honor thy father and thy mother.
6) Thou shalt not kill.
7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8) Thou shalt not steal.
9) Thou shalt not Lie.
10) Thou shalt not covet .
11) Thou shalt not associate with drunkards.
12) Thou shalt not give or accept blood transfusions.
13) Thou shalt not participate in politics.
14) Thou shalt not do recreational drugs (including tobacco).In the Name of יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So what?
I think the point is that the bible has 10 or so commandments and the JWs have added some.I think the message is that the JWs add to the requirements and hence the additions are probably irrelevant.
t8 whether there were 10 or 12, or 14 the fact is we are not under that Covenant. Look at the post I made before yours. All the Scriptures are there to prove my point.
Irene
I wish you had a clue.
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