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Quote (942767 @ Aug. 13 2009,11:49) Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 13 2009,11:38) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 13 2009,11:13) Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 12 2009,16:18) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 12 2009,16:04) Hi Maranatha, keep on trusting Him, and He will heal you, and I agree with you about the side affects on some of the medicines that the doctors want to prescribe is worse than the problem. Sometimes God uses doctors to accomplish a healing, but I cringe every time they advertise a medicine for a certain problem and then go into their spill about the side affects. Love in Christ,
Marty
You know since I have Lupus, I have to take Medication. If I wouldn't I would die. So in many peoples lives they have to. I also have Diabetes and if I would not take Insulin I would get very sick. So not all Medication are bad, even though they all have side effects. But the benefit for Med. outweighs the side effects, tho. So in conclusion be a little kinder to those that are sick. God has compassion, so we should too.
The elders of the Church where we went laid hands on me many times. I have excepted that God is saying to me, it is sufficient for you. I must have to learn something otherwise He would have taken me Home already.
Peace and Love Irene
Hi Mrs:I am sorry if I offended you, but what I have stated is true. I said that “sometimes the medicine that doctors want to prescribe is worse than the problem”. I said “sometimes”, and I did not tell you not to take the medication that doctors have prescribed for your Lupus and your diabetes.
I had to take blood pressure medication at one time until I learned proper diet and excercise, and so, sometimes it is necessary to take the medication temporarily, but I won't take the medication unless I absolutely have to take it.
In the case of Maranatha, we are talking about a mental oppression, and not a physical condition such as yours.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty! Sorry I jumped to conclusion. It is a very sensitive subject for me. I don't like to take steroids and I have told some Doctors off, since He lied to me. I called and ask a Druggist about a certain type of Steroid and I got the answer that it was. The Doctor had said that it was not a Steroid. Needless to say I don't see that Doctor no more.
As far as Maranatha is concerned, She has a bad case of depression and some times Medication does help for a short time. I can't even imagine what She is going through. To curse God out is a really bad thing to do.IMO
Peace and Love Irene
Hi Mrs:She isn't cursing God as I understand her. These are thoughts coming through her mind.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty! That makes no difference. Even if you just thinking in your head and cussing God out, it still is sinful. Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount magnified the law and it counts. All you have to do is being angry with your Brother, and that is some time only in our minds and we sin, if we do that. We have murder in our hearts.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Cindy @ Aug. 13 2009,13:50) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 13 2009,11:49) Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 13 2009,11:38) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 13 2009,11:13) Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 12 2009,16:18) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 12 2009,16:04) Hi Maranatha, keep on trusting Him, and He will heal you, and I agree with you about the side affects on some of the medicines that the doctors want to prescribe is worse than the problem. Sometimes God uses doctors to accomplish a healing, but I cringe every time they advertise a medicine for a certain problem and then go into their spill about the side affects. Love in Christ,
Marty
You know since I have Lupus, I have to take Medication. If I wouldn't I would die. So in many peoples lives they have to. I also have Diabetes and if I would not take Insulin I would get very sick. So not all Medication are bad, even though they all have side effects. But the benefit for Med. outweighs the side effects, tho. So in conclusion be a little kinder to those that are sick. God has compassion, so we should too.
The elders of the Church where we went laid hands on me many times. I have excepted that God is saying to me, it is sufficient for you. I must have to learn something otherwise He would have taken me Home already.
Peace and Love Irene
Hi Mrs:I am sorry if I offended you, but what I have stated is true. I said that “sometimes the medicine that doctors want to prescribe is worse than the problem”. I said “sometimes”, and I did not tell you not to take the medication that doctors have prescribed for your Lupus and your diabetes.
I had to take blood pressure medication at one time until I learned proper diet and excercise, and so, sometimes it is necessary to take the medication temporarily, but I won't take the medication unless I absolutely have to take it.
In the case of Maranatha, we are talking about a mental oppression, and not a physical condition such as yours.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty! Sorry I jumped to conclusion. It is a very sensitive subject for me. I don't like to take steroids and I have told some Doctors off, since He lied to me. I called and ask a Druggist about a certain type of Steroid and I got the answer that it was. The Doctor had said that it was not a Steroid. Needless to say I don't see that Doctor no more.
As far as Maranatha is concerned, She has a bad case of depression and some times Medication does help for a short time. I can't even imagine what She is going through. To curse God out is a really bad thing to do.IMO
Peace and Love Irene
Hi Mrs:She isn't cursing God as I understand her. These are thoughts coming through her mind.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty! That makes no difference. Even if you just thinking in your head and cussing God out, it still is sinful. Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount magnified the law and it counts. All you have to do is being angry with your Brother, and that is some time only in our minds and we sin, if we do that. We have murder in our hearts.
Peace and Love Irene
No, Mrs., I disagree with you. One can watch a telivision show with dirty language or listen to a secular song and these spirits will enter into your spirit, for example.What she has not cursed God unless it comes out of heart. This an oppression of the devil and she needs our prayers. She came here asking for help, and so, if you can't understand her situation, just pray and ask God to help her.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Cato @ Aug. 12 2009,23:23) Despite people's anecdotal evidence of spiritual healing, only a fool would rely on such without looking for more temporal help as well. If your problem is religious obsession why rely only on that very same source of obsession for a cure? Scrupulosity is usually treated by cognitive behavior therapy, not drugs. In the United Kingdom, the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence recommends CBT as the treatment of choice for a number of mental health difficulties, including post-traumatic stress disorder, OCD, bulimia nervosa and clinical depression. So trust that God gave you a brain and intellect to go get help from your fellow man. Rather then expecting a divine miracle cure look to seeking help that can in the mean time alleviate or help you cope with what evidently is a long term problem. This would include trained mental health professionals.
As I mentioned before….I do not have the MONEY to go to a shrink.I also know that I have the faith to go to God FIRST for my problems. Unlike Asa in 2 Chronicles 16:12-13
“12In the thirty-ninth year of his reign Asa became diseased in his feet. His disease was severe, yet even in his disease he did not seek the LORD, but the physicians.
13So Asa slept with his fathers, having died in the forty-first year of his reign.”
Also….
“Jeremiah 17:5 says….”This is what the LORD says:
“Cursed is the one who trusts in man,
who depends on flesh for his strength
and whose heart turns away from the LORD. “We need to trust in the Lord FIRST, and pray to Him FIRST. If He leads us to a doctor, then fine. But He IS perfectly able to heal us all by Himself, WITHOUT a doctor.
I know that sometimes God heals people immedietely. Other times He heals them later, over time. But we must NEVER believe that He is UNABLE to heal us, or that we should go to a doctor without consulting God FIRST, in ALL things.
I have gone through deliverance before, and I literally felt the spirits leaving me. Because of my weak faith, they did return a few days later…but the point is, they did leave. I have a friend who was HEALED from Bipolar disorder, by his faith ALONE. I KNOW God can do this!
Why on earth would I want to go on a medication (IF I could afford it) that would cause me to be suicidal, violent, and gain 100+ pounds,etc. etc.?
Why do you put God in a box and try to limit what He CAN do?
Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 13 2009,13:50) Marty! That makes no difference. Even if you just thinking in your head and cussing God out, it still is sinful. Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount magnified the law and it counts. All you have to do is being angry with your Brother, and that is some time only in our minds and we sin, if we do that. We have murder in our hearts.
Peace and Love Irene
Irene, are you saying that you believe that God is going to send me to Hell because of a disorder that I cannot HELP that causes these thoughts?That's like a Christian who develops Tourette's syndrome-they cuss out loud for no reason at all…yet they can't help it. Yet that person may have perfect faith in Jesus.
That is saying that it is our WORKS that earn our salvation, isn't it? I mean…you are saying that only a person who has PERFECT, CHRISTIAN thoughts will go to Heaven, not someone who has a disorder, but has great faith.
Is that what you mean?
Quote (942767 @ Aug. 13 2009,14:09) Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 13 2009,13:50) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 13 2009,11:49) Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 13 2009,11:38) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 13 2009,11:13) Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 12 2009,16:18) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 12 2009,16:04) Hi Maranatha, keep on trusting Him, and He will heal you, and I agree with you about the side affects on some of the medicines that the doctors want to prescribe is worse than the problem. Sometimes God uses doctors to accomplish a healing, but I cringe every time they advertise a medicine for a certain problem and then go into their spill about the side affects. Love in Christ,
Marty
You know since I have Lupus, I have to take Medication. If I wouldn't I would die. So in many peoples lives they have to. I also have Diabetes and if I would not take Insulin I would get very sick. So not all Medication are bad, even though they all have side effects. But the benefit for Med. outweighs the side effects, tho. So in conclusion be a little kinder to those that are sick. God has compassion, so we should too.
The elders of the Church where we went laid hands on me many times. I have excepted that God is saying to me, it is sufficient for you. I must have to learn something otherwise He would have taken me Home already.
Peace and Love Irene
Hi Mrs:I am sorry if I offended you, but what I have stated is true. I said that “sometimes the medicine that doctors want to prescribe is worse than the problem”. I said “sometimes”, and I did not tell you not to take the medication that doctors have prescribed for your Lupus and your diabetes.
I had to take blood pressure medication at one time until I learned proper diet and excercise, and so, sometimes it is necessary to take the medication temporarily, but I won't take the medication unless I absolutely have to take it.
In the case of Maranatha, we are talking about a mental oppression, and not a physical condition such as yours.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty! Sorry I jumped to conclusion. It is a very sensitive subject for me. I don't like to take steroids and I have told some Doctors off, since He lied to me. I called and ask a Druggist about a certain type of Steroid and I got the answer that it was. The Doctor had said that it was not a Steroid. Needless to say I don't see that Doctor no more.
As far as Maranatha is concerned, She has a bad case of depression and some times Medication does help for a short time. I can't even imagine what She is going through. To curse God out is a really bad thing to do.IMO
Peace and Love Irene
Hi Mrs:She isn't cursing God as I understand her. These are thoughts coming through her mind.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty! That makes no difference. Even if you just thinking in your head and cussing God out, it still is sinful. Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount magnified the law and it counts. All you have to do is being angry with your Brother, and that is some time only in our minds and we sin, if we do that. We have murder in our hearts.
Peace and Love Irene
No, Mrs., I disagree with you. One can watch a telivision show with dirty language or listen to a secular song and these spirits will enter into your spirit, for example.What she has not cursed God unless it comes out of heart. This an oppression of the devil and she needs our prayers. She came here asking for help, and so, if you can't understand her situation, just pray and ask God to help her.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Thank you Marty, for your kind, Christian understanding and reply. God bless you!Quote (Maranatha @ Aug. 15 2009,08:51) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 13 2009,14:09) Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 13 2009,13:50) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 13 2009,11:49) Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 13 2009,11:38) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 13 2009,11:13) Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 12 2009,16:18) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 12 2009,16:04) Hi Maranatha, keep on trusting Him, and He will heal you, and I agree with you about the side affects on some of the medicines that the doctors want to prescribe is worse than the problem. Sometimes God uses doctors to accomplish a healing, but I cringe every time they advertise a medicine for a certain problem and then go into their spill about the side affects. Love in Christ,
Marty
You know since I have Lupus, I have to take Medication. If I wouldn't I would die. So in many peoples lives they have to. I also have Diabetes and if I would not take Insulin I would get very sick. So not all Medication are bad, even though they all have side effects. But the benefit for Med. outweighs the side effects, tho. So in conclusion be a little kinder to those that are sick. God has compassion, so we should too.
The elders of the Church where we went laid hands on me many times. I have excepted that God is saying to me, it is sufficient for you. I must have to learn something otherwise He would have taken me Home already.
Peace and Love Irene
Hi Mrs:I am sorry if I offended you, but what I have stated is true. I said that “sometimes the medicine that doctors want to prescribe is worse than the problem”. I said “sometimes”, and I did not tell you not to take the medication that doctors have prescribed for your Lupus and your diabetes.
I had to take blood pressure medication at one time until I learned proper diet and excercise, and so, sometimes it is necessary to take the medication temporarily, but I won't take the medication unless I absolutely have to take it.
In the case of Maranatha, we are talking about a mental oppression, and not a physical condition such as yours.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty! Sorry I jumped to conclusion. It is a very sensitive subject for me. I don't like to take steroids and I have told some Doctors off, since He lied to me. I called and ask a Druggist about a certain type of Steroid and I got the answer that it was. The Doctor had said that it was not a Steroid. Needless to say I don't see that Doctor no more.
As far as Maranatha is concerned, She has a bad case of depression and some times Medication does help for a short time. I can't even imagine what She is going through. To curse God out is a really bad thing to do.IMO
Peace and Love Irene
Hi Mrs:She isn't cursing God as I understand her. These are thoughts coming through her mind.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty! That makes no difference. Even if you just thinking in your head and cussing God out, it still is sinful. Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount magnified the law and it counts. All you have to do is being angry with your Brother, and that is some time only in our minds and we sin, if we do that. We have murder in our hearts.
Peace and Love Irene
No, Mrs., I disagree with you. One can watch a telivision show with dirty language or listen to a secular song and these spirits will enter into your spirit, for example.What she has not cursed God unless it comes out of heart. This an oppression of the devil and she needs our prayers. She came here asking for help, and so, if you can't understand her situation, just pray and ask God to help her.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Thank you Marty, for your kind, Christian understanding and reply. God bless you!
Hi Maranatha:God loves you and so do I, and I am praying that he will deliver you from this oppression.
Love in Christ,
MartyThank you Marty…..I believe He will. He has been delivering people from all kinds of oppression and diseases and other medical conditions in my church lately-my church is very spirit-filled and people have been cured of cancer, depression, panic attacks, etc. etc-so I know that He is perfectly capable of doing it.
Quote (Maranatha @ Aug. 15 2009,13:33) Thank you Marty…..I believe He will. He has been delivering people from all kinds of oppression and diseases and other medical conditions in my church lately-my church is very spirit-filled and people have been cured of cancer, depression, panic attacks, etc. etc-so I know that He is perfectly capable of doing it.
Amen. Keep the faith.Quote (Maranatha @ Aug. 15 2009,08:42) Quote (Cato @ Aug. 12 2009,23:23) Despite people's anecdotal evidence of spiritual healing, only a fool would rely on such without looking for more temporal help as well. If your problem is religious obsession why rely only on that very same source of obsession for a cure? Scrupulosity is usually treated by cognitive behavior therapy, not drugs. In the United Kingdom, the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence recommends CBT as the treatment of choice for a number of mental health difficulties, including post-traumatic stress disorder, OCD, bulimia nervosa and clinical depression. So trust that God gave you a brain and intellect to go get help from your fellow man. Rather then expecting a divine miracle cure look to seeking help that can in the mean time alleviate or help you cope with what evidently is a long term problem. This would include trained mental health professionals.
As I mentioned before….I do not have the MONEY to go to a shrink.I also know that I have the faith to go to God FIRST for my problems. Unlike Asa in 2 Chronicles 16:12-13
“12In the thirty-ninth year of his reign Asa became diseased in his feet. His disease was severe, yet even in his disease he did not seek the LORD, but the physicians.
13So Asa slept with his fathers, having died in the forty-first year of his reign.”
Also….
“Jeremiah 17:5 says….”This is what the LORD says:
“Cursed is the one who trusts in man,
who depends on flesh for his strength
and whose heart turns away from the LORD. “We need to trust in the Lord FIRST, and pray to Him FIRST. If He leads us to a doctor, then fine. But He IS perfectly able to heal us all by Himself, WITHOUT a doctor.
I know that sometimes God heals people immedietely. Other times He heals them later, over time. But we must NEVER believe that He is UNABLE to heal us, or that we should go to a doctor without consulting God FIRST, in ALL things.
I have gone through deliverance before, and I literally felt the spirits leaving me. Because of my weak faith, they did return a few days later…but the point is, they did leave. I have a friend who was HEALED from Bipolar disorder, by his faith ALONE. I KNOW God can do this!
Why on earth would I want to go on a medication (IF I could afford it) that would cause me to be suicidal, violent, and gain 100+ pounds,etc. etc.?
Why do you put God in a box and try to limit what He CAN do?
Maranantha, so well said and Amen to that! You have AMAZING FAITH!!!!! I mean that!!!!!Quote (Maranatha @ Aug. 15 2009,08:49) Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 13 2009,13:50) Marty! That makes no difference. Even if you just thinking in your head and cussing God out, it still is sinful. Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount magnified the law and it counts. All you have to do is being angry with your Brother, and that is some time only in our minds and we sin, if we do that. We have murder in our hearts.
Peace and Love Irene
Irene, are you saying that you believe that God is going to send me to Hell because of a disorder that I cannot HELP that causes these thoughts? My Husband has written an Article about Heaven and Hell.That's like a Christian who develops Tourette's syndrome-they cuss out loud for no reason at all…yet they can't help it. Yet that person may have perfect faith in Jesus.
That is saying that it is our WORKS that earn our salvation, isn't it? I mean…you are saying that only a person who has PERFECT, CHRISTIAN thoughts will go to Heaven, not someone who has a disorder, but has great faith.
Is that what you mean?
No that is not what I mean. By Faith we are saved and it is a free gift from God.
Ephesians 2:8 ” For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a free gift from God.
What I am saying is even thinking of a sin is sinful and we should ask for forgiveness of that sin. It seems that you are aware of that sin. Many times I have ask God to show me my sins, and I was not even aware of some of my sins in my mind. I had blocked it out. And that is what Satan does.
Please don't be offended, I am just trying to help you see.
If we read the Sermon on the Mount were Jesus magnified sin. I don't have the answer to your bipolar. I do know that my Sons Girlfriends Daughter too has bipolar, and She tells me if She goes of the Medication, She throws everything in Her Mothers face. I also know how expenses Medication is, but by the faith in God, my Husband has, we have survived. If I would not take mine, I would die. Nobody goes to Hell. So many belief that there is a literal Hell. That is not so. Gehenna is a whole in the ground. Jesus went to Hell or grave for 3 days and 3 nights.I tell you what, my Husband has as article about Heaven and Hell and when our Granddaughter comes next week I will make a new Tread about that. Sje types faster then I. I will show you then were it is. O.K.
And remember always that God does Love You and you don't have to ask Him 50 times for forgiveness.
Bless you!
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Maranatha @ Aug. 15 2009,08:42) We need to trust in the Lord FIRST, and pray to Him FIRST. If He leads us to a doctor, then fine. But He IS perfectly able to heal us all by Himself, WITHOUT a doctor. I know that sometimes God heals people immedietely. Other times He heals them later, over time. But we must NEVER believe that He is UNABLE to heal us, or that we should go to a doctor without consulting God FIRST, in ALL things.
I have gone through deliverance before, and I literally felt the spirits leaving me. Because of my weak faith, they did return a few days later…but the point is, they did leave. I have a friend who was HEALED from Bipolar disorder, by his faith ALONE. I KNOW God can do this!
Why on earth would I want to go on a medication (IF I could afford it) that would cause me to be suicidal, violent, and gain 100+ pounds,etc. etc.?
Why do you put God in a box and try to limit what He CAN do?
I certainly don't limit God. I merely state that God tends to work through creation rather then around it. God along with hearts to pray, gave brains to think and arms to work. You have a condition that effects how you deal with issues of religion and you want to rely on the area where your perceptions are afflicted for the sole source of your cure? What would happen if all the farmers started praying for crops instead of working their fields? Yes God could make food appear like mana, but why? I am not saying don't pray, I pray everyday myself, what I am saying is that we must also use the tools we are given and not rely on supernatural intervention.If your spouse has a heart attack are you going to give CPR and call a doctor, or are you going to pray for guidance on what to do? Pray yes but act and pray!
Also there are a variety of non-pharmaceutical treatments for OCDs like yours. Also there are places that provide free help in many areas. You have the ability to post here so you have internet access, do the research.
Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 16 2009,11:36) Quote (Maranatha @ Aug. 15 2009,08:49) Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 13 2009,13:50) Marty! That makes no difference. Even if you just thinking in your head and cussing God out, it still is sinful. Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount magnified the law and it counts. All you have to do is being angry with your Brother, and that is some time only in our minds and we sin, if we do that. We have murder in our hearts.
Peace and Love Irene
Irene, are you saying that you believe that God is going to send me to Hell because of a disorder that I cannot HELP that causes these thoughts? My Husband has written an Article about Heaven and Hell.That's like a Christian who develops Tourette's syndrome-they cuss out loud for no reason at all…yet they can't help it. Yet that person may have perfect faith in Jesus.
That is saying that it is our WORKS that earn our salvation, isn't it? I mean…you are saying that only a person who has PERFECT, CHRISTIAN thoughts will go to Heaven, not someone who has a disorder, but has great faith.
Is that what you mean?
No that is not what I mean. By Faith we are saved and it is a free gift from God.
Ephesians 2:8 ” For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a free gift from God.
What I am saying is even thinking of a sin is sinful and we should ask for forgiveness of that sin. It seems that you are aware of that sin. Many times I have ask God to show me my sins, and I was not even aware of some of my sins in my mind. I had blocked it out. And that is what Satan does.
Please don't be offended, I am just trying to help you see.
If we read the Sermon on the Mount were Jesus magnified sin. I don't have the answer to your bipolar. I do know that my Sons Girlfriends Daughter too has bipolar, and She tells me if She goes of the Medication, She throws everything in Her Mothers face. I also know how expenses Medication is, but by the faith in God, my Husband has, we have survived. If I would not take mine, I would die. Nobody goes to Hell. So many belief that there is a literal Hell. That is not so. Gehenna is a whole in the ground. Jesus went to Hell or grave for 3 days and 3 nights.I tell you what, my Husband has as article about Heaven and Hell and when our Granddaughter comes next week I will make a new Tread about that. Sje types faster then I. I will show you then were it is. O.K.
And remember always that God does Love You and you don't have to ask Him 50 times for forgiveness.
Bless you!
Peace and Love Irene
Yes, of course I understand that if we think a sin, it is a bad as doing it. Every one of us does it every single day, and if we say we are perfect and don't do that, then we are liars.I have Scrupulosity. It is a form of OCD that causes horrid thoughts in your head, like cussing out God. I'm not INTENTIONALLY thinking them-they just pop into my head because of a disorder. There is a difference between PURPOSELY thinking of a sinful thing-like having sex with someone, or hurting someone.
Of course I apologize to God for thinking the thoughts that I am not WANTING to think-but if I did that every time I thought a bad thought, I'd be doing it every few seconds, all day long. I would not have TIME to praise God or anything like that.
I have had Deliverance done before….and I FELT this leave. I know this is demons. I don't know what kind of church you go to, but I know some of the very conservative churches, like Baptists, do not believe that a Christian can have evil spirits. This is untrue.
Jesus talks of a literal Hell. Revelations speaks of a Lake of Fire, where sinners will go unless they turn to Jesus and repent of their sins. I'm not “offended” at all, but if it is not in the Bible, then I don't want to hear about it, to be honest. You say that nobody goes to Hell? I think you should read Revelations.
There is a website I found that lists people's testimonies. Several people have mentioned having an NDO experience, or literally dying and going to Hell.
God allows this to happen to some people so that they can tell others that there IS a Heaven, and there IS a Hell.
I feel like I have somehow offended you because I believe that God DOES heal people who have strong faith. If God speaks to a person and tells them that He is going to heal them, and to stop taking their medicine, then why on earth would they continue to rely on taking the medicine?
I am not speaking of YOU, or of MYSELF when I say this. I just say that it did happen to a friend of mine-a strong Christian lady, and also another friend who was Bipolar. God TOLD them to stop taking their medicine, and when they stepped out in faith and did stop, they were healed.
Like I said-there is a difference in someone who just stops taking their medicines because it says in the Bible that God heals our sickness, and someone who God literally speaks to and TELLS them to stop taking it.
I feel like I have offended you because you have Lupus. Well, I have Type 1 diabetes, Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Bipolar, and OCD, as well as many other minor conditions.
But I know that IF God tells me to stop taking my medicine and that He is going to heal me, then I would stop. I would hope that you would have that same kind of faith if you heard Him telling you that He was going to heal your Lupus.
Quote (Cato @ Aug. 18 2009,02:53) Quote (Maranatha @ Aug. 15 2009,08:42) We need to trust in the Lord FIRST, and pray to Him FIRST. If He leads us to a doctor, then fine. But He IS perfectly able to heal us all by Himself, WITHOUT a doctor. I know that sometimes God heals people immedietely. Other times He heals them later, over time. But we must NEVER believe that He is UNABLE to heal us, or that we should go to a doctor without consulting God FIRST, in ALL things.
I have gone through deliverance before, and I literally felt the spirits leaving me. Because of my weak faith, they did return a few days later…but the point is, they did leave. I have a friend who was HEALED from Bipolar disorder, by his faith ALONE. I KNOW God can do this!
Why on earth would I want to go on a medication (IF I could afford it) that would cause me to be suicidal, violent, and gain 100+ pounds,etc. etc.?
Why do you put God in a box and try to limit what He CAN do?
I certainly don't limit God. I merely state that God tends to work through creation rather then around it. God along with hearts to pray, gave brains to think and arms to work. You have a condition that effects how you deal with issues of religion and you want to rely on the area where your perceptions are afflicted for the sole source of your cure? What would happen if all the farmers started praying for crops instead of working their fields? Yes God could make food appear like mana, but why? I am not saying don't pray, I pray everyday myself, what I am saying is that we must also use the tools we are given and not rely on supernatural intervention.If your spouse has a heart attack are you going to give CPR and call a doctor, or are you going to pray for guidance on what to do? Pray yes but act and pray!
Also there are a variety of non-pharmaceutical treatments for OCDs like yours. Also there are places that provide free help in many areas. You have the ability to post here so you have internet access, do the research.
You have completely twisted around what I said.Of course I believe in medicines and doctors. I have Type 1 diabetes, and if I did not take my medicine, I would die.
BUT. If God spoke to me and said to stop taking my insulin, He was going to heal me, then why on earth would I call Him a liar and doubt Him and keep on taking it?
My friend was on medication for some kind of condition in her back or shoulder. Nerve pain or something. She was on a lot of medications. Anyway, one day God spoke to her and said that He was going to heal her. He told her to stop taking her medicine and take communion every day for 40 days, and He would heal her. She stopped taking it, and a couple of days later, Satan attacked her horribly, but she still did not take her medicines. God healed her at the end of 40 days!
My point is, is that God spoke through this guy, and He said that He was going to heal me. He did not say when. It could be years from now, I don't know. But He did say it. God knows how much this is limiting my Christian growth, and I know that He is building my trust up in Him and that WHEN He lets me know that He has healed me, then I will believe it.
But no-I certainly would not just stop taking medicines without God telling me not to.
I consult Him about EVERYTHING. He is my Father and I love Him and He knows what is best for me.
Maranatha! Sorry if I upset you. But at one time after I was diagnosed with Lupus and the Doctor wanted to put me on Steroid, I refused. I knew what that Medication could do to a person. I went to our Minister of the W.W, Church of God and the Elder of that Church laid hands on me several times and my Faith is strong, I thought maybe God would heal me. I also had Asthma very badly. That at times helped and took away an attack. However as I got older, from being around the Bakery which we owned, the flour dust turned my Asthma into C.O.P.D and I am on 24 hour Oxygen. I also have Diabetes and take Insulin. It is now 31 years since I was diagnosed with Lupus. That is a miracle, cause most die after 15-20 years after onset. That is so great that I was able to meet all our Grand- Children and one Grandson is married and another is Engaged to be married. What a blessing that is. Right now we don't go to any Church. Our believe is ant- trinitarian. Those Churches that don't believe in that doctrine are mostly Sabbath Keepers. We believe that we are under Grace and we can keep any day we wish, according to Paul. I feel that we have Gods Holy Spirit and every day is Holy to me. Well I did not want to preach to you and I wish you all the best and hope you will be healed.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Cindy @ Aug. 18 2009,15:54) Maranatha! Sorry if I upset you. But at one time after I was diagnosed with Lupus and the Doctor wanted to put me on Steroid, I refused. I knew what that Medication could do to a person. I went to our Minister of the W.W, Church of God and the Elder of that Church laid hands on me several times and my Faith is strong, I thought maybe God would heal me. I also had Asthma very badly. That at times helped and took away an attack. However as I got older, from being around the Bakery which we owned, the flour dust turned my Asthma into C.O.P.D and I am on 24 hour Oxygen. I also have Diabetes and take Insulin. It is now 31 years since I was diagnosed with Lupus. That is a miracle, cause most die after 15-20 years after onset. That is so great that I was able to meet all our Grand- Children and one Grandson is married and another is Engaged to be married. What a blessing that is. Right now we don't go to any Church. Our believe is ant- trinitarian. Those Churches that don't believe in that doctrine are mostly Sabbath Keepers. We believe that we are under Grace and we can keep any day we wish, according to Paul. I feel that we have Gods Holy Spirit and every day is Holy to me. Well I did not want to preach to you and I wish you all the best and hope you will be healed.
Peace and Love Irene
Yes, you have had many health issues, just like I have. I've had insulin dependant diabetes (Type 1) for 33 years myself, and have had a low blood sugar of 11. I should have been dead, but God kept me alive for some reason. I have no clue why, but I know that He knows best.I have had many people pray over my diabetes too, but no one has prophecied that God said He would heal me of that, and I don't care…..the struggles I have with my mental issues are far worse than taking a few insulin shots every day, believe me, and I believe that my diabetes may someday be a HELP, rather than a hindrance. So it does not bother me.
You still are not comprehending the difference though, in what I am posting.
IF God spoke through a good, spirit-filled Christian person and told you to stop taking your medicines, and that He was going to HEAL you…..would you stop them, in faith?
Or would you ignore Him?
This is just a hypothetical question. lol
I have HEARD God speak to me. I was in a bad car wreck many years ago, and my car went over a cliff and flipped 3 times. As I was screaming, I clearly heard Him say…”Not yet-your time is not yet”.
I felt an immediete PEACE-like angels had carried my car to the ground. My car was completely totaled out and I did not have a scratch on me!
I KNOW when I hear my Father's voice……and IF He spoke to me and told me to stop taking a medicine, because He was going to heal me- then I would stop taking it…..but NOT before I heard Him telling me to stop.
There's a difference.
Maranatha! God personally has never spoke to me, however I feel Jesus present and I ask Him, and He tells me, if I want to do something or not. Also I have two good friends that died and afterwards I felt their present for a short time. My best friend and I had many conversation about how it would be when we die. She and I don't like pain. So after She did, I wads sitting ab myself in my Bedroom and thinking of Her. The whole room was filled with Love, which I never experience before or again. I asked Her how was it? Her reply was not to bad. She died of Cancer. This happened twice with
another friend.
God is so good and no matter what will happen to you know, be assured that we will one day have NO MORE PAIN, NO MORE SORROW. Only the truth will be taught.
Scriptures tell us:” Eye hath not seen and Ear hath not heard prepared for them that Love Him.”
Bless you and good luck with all. Looking forward to seeing you and others on Heaven Net one day soon, I hope.
With all my Love IreneQuote (Cindy @ Aug. 19 2009,18:55) Maranatha! God personally has never spoke to me, however I feel Jesus present and I ask Him, and He tells me, if I want to do something or not. Also I have two good friends that died and afterwards I felt their present for a short time. My best friend and I had many conversation about how it would be when we die. She and I don't like pain. So after She did, I wads sitting ab myself in my Bedroom and thinking of Her. The whole room was filled with Love, which I never experience before or again. I asked Her how was it? Her reply was not to bad. She died of Cancer. This happened twice with
another friend.
God is so good and no matter what will happen to you know, be assured that we will one day have NO MORE PAIN, NO MORE SORROW. Only the truth will be taught.
Scriptures tell us:” Eye hath not seen and Ear hath not heard prepared for them that Love Him.”
Bless you and good luck with all. Looking forward to seeing you and others on Heaven Net one day soon, I hope.
With all my Love Irene
That's wonderful how God gave you peace after your friends died! Isn't He wonderful? I have had similar experiences with Him myself.I had the exact same thing happen when my grandmother died, many years ago, when I was young. I believed it was my grandmother coming back to visit.
I don't believe it was actually your friends or my grandmother who came back from death to visit you though-but I do believe that God was letting you know that they are OK. The Bible teaches us that once a person dies, they do not “come back” to visit people.
I have also read that Satan and demons can disguise themselves as someone who has died, to confuse the person, and make them want to consult mediums so they can contact their deceases further, which would lead them into turning away from God. I don't know…..
But I do know that God will give us comfort when our loved ones die-and I believe that the “feeling” that you and I got that it was our friends/grandmother was NOT them actually coming back to us, but it was God putting their memory in our mind, and giving us that sense of peace and love so that we can know that He had them safely in His arms.
YAAHH!!
I have heard God's Voice, several times over the last couple of years. Once I was crying and worshiping Him, and I clearly heard “Come. Come to Me”
It was deep in my soul, and it was most certainly not my own thoughts at all-it was totally different, and I knew, without a doubt that it was God talking to me. He wanted me to give my burdens to Him.
Another time I kept hearing “Believe” deep in my soul, for several days. And then I was driving down the road, and not thinking about anything, and I heard “I will pour out my blessings on you, if you just believe”
I most certainly could never have come up with those words on my own, and since I felt complete peace when I heard them, I knew they were from God.
He speaks to us through other people too, although we have to trust that person, and to check it against scripture. He will confirm it again, another way, so we can know it is from Him.
One time I had my pastor pray over me, and he told me that God said to tell me that He wanted me to “be His Mary” and to spend more time worshiping Him.
I left right after that, and went to the door, where I ran into a friend of mine. She said….”I strongly feel that the Lord wants me to tell you something…..He wants me to tell you that He wants you to be His “Mary” and to worship Him more!”
It was bizarre! I stood there with my mouth hanging open, and I asked her if she had been standing there listening when the pastor was praying over me. She said “No-I just got here…”
So I KNEW that was from God, because of the confirmation, and because it lined up with scripture-of course God would want me to worship Him more.
God does speak to us in many ways….but we have to continually seek Him with all our heart. There's a verse in the OT (can't remember where) that says that God's eyes roam to and fro over all the earth, searching for those who's hearts are loyal to Him.
How neat is that? He's looking all over the world, to rest on people who truly seek Him!
Sure gives me motivation to worship and seek Him more!
Have a blessed day!
Maranatha! I have the posts brought up for you about Hell. Look in the Believers Place, under Biblical Prophecy Tread, Hell read these…
I hope this will help you.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Maranatha @ Aug. 18 2009,13:50) Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 16 2009,11:36) Quote (Maranatha @ Aug. 15 2009,08:49) Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 13 2009,13:50) Marty! That makes no difference. Even if you just thinking in your head and cussing God out, it still is sinful. Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount magnified the law and it counts. All you have to do is being angry with your Brother, and that is some time only in our minds and we sin, if we do that. We have murder in our hearts.
Peace and Love Irene
Irene, are you saying that you believe that God is going to send me to Hell because of a disorder that I cannot HELP that causes these thoughts? My Husband has written an Article about Heaven and Hell.That's like a Christian who develops Tourette's syndrome-they cuss out loud for no reason at all…yet they can't help it. Yet that person may have perfect faith in Jesus.
That is saying that it is our WORKS that earn our salvation, isn't it? I mean…you are saying that only a person who has PERFECT, CHRISTIAN thoughts will go to Heaven, not someone who has a disorder, but has great faith.
Is that what you mean?
No that is not what I mean. By Faith we are saved and it is a free gift from God.
Ephesians 2:8 ” For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a free gift from God.
What I am saying is even thinking of a sin is sinful and we should ask for forgiveness of that sin. It seems that you are aware of that sin. Many times I have ask God to show me my sins, and I was not even aware of some of my sins in my mind. I had blocked it out. And that is what Satan does.
Please don't be offended, I am just trying to help you see.
If we read the Sermon on the Mount were Jesus magnified sin. I don't have the answer to your bipolar. I do know that my Sons Girlfriends Daughter too has bipolar, and She tells me if She goes of the Medication, She throws everything in Her Mothers face. I also know how expenses Medication is, but by the faith in God, my Husband has, we have survived. If I would not take mine, I would die. Nobody goes to Hell. So many belief that there is a literal Hell. That is not so. Gehenna is a whole in the ground. Jesus went to Hell or grave for 3 days and 3 nights.I tell you what, my Husband has as article about Heaven and Hell and when our Granddaughter comes next week I will make a new Tread about that. Sje types faster then I. I will show you then were it is. O.K.
And remember always that God does Love You and you don't have to ask Him 50 times for forgiveness.
Bless you!
Peace and Love Irene
Yes, of course I understand that if we think a sin, it is a bad as doing it. Every one of us does it every single day, and if we say we are perfect and don't do that, then we are liars.I have Scrupulosity. It is a form of OCD that causes horrid thoughts in your head, like cussing out God. I'm not INTENTIONALLY thinking them-they just pop into my head because of a disorder. There is a difference between PURPOSELY thinking of a sinful thing-like having sex with someone, or hurting someone.
Of course I apologize to God for thinking the thoughts that I am not WANTING to think-but if I did that every time I thought a bad thought, I'd be doing it every few seconds, all day long. I would not have TIME to praise God or anything like that.
I have had Deliverance done before….and I FELT this leave. I know this is demons. I don't know what kind of church you go to, but I know some of the very conservative churches, like Baptists, do not believe that a Christian can have evil spirits. This is untrue.
Jesus talks of a literal Hell. Revelations speaks of a Lake of Fire, where sinners will go unless they turn to Jesus and repent of their sins. I'm not “offended” at all, but if it is not in the Bible, then I don't want to hear about it, to be honest. You say that nobody goes to Hell? I think you should read Revelations.
There is a website I found that lists people's testimonies. Several people have mentioned having an NDO experience, or literally dying and going to Hell.
God allows this to happen to some people so that they can tell others that there IS a Heaven, and there IS a Hell.
I feel like I have somehow offended you because I believe that God DOES heal people who have strong faith. If God speaks to a person and tells them that He is going to heal them, and to stop taking their medicine, then why on earth would they continue to rely on taking the medicine?
I am not speaking of YOU, or of MYSELF when I say this. I just say that it did happen to a friend of mine-a strong Christian lady, and also another friend who was Bipolar. God TOLD them to stop taking their medicine, and when they stepped out in faith and did stop, they were healed.
Like I said-there is a difference in someone who just stops taking their medicines because it says in the Bible that God heals our sickness, and someone who God literally speaks to and TELLS them to stop taking it.
I feel like I have offended you because you have Lupus. Well, I have Type 1 diabetes, Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Bipolar, and OCD, as well as many other minor conditions.
But I know that IF God tells me to stop taking my medicine and that He is going to heal me, then I would stop. I would hope that you would have that same kind of faith if you heard Him telling you that He was going to heal your Lupus.
Hi Maranatha,I would like to speak to you on behalf of what you said here, “Of course I apologize to God for thinking the thoughts that I am not WANTING to think-but if I did that every time I thought a bad thought, I'd be doing it every few seconds, all day long. I would not have TIME to praise God or anything like that.”
DON”T apologize!! STOP apologizing! RELIEVE yourself of the guilt that you should not be feeling. Seriously DO NOT waist anymore time, not one second of your energy apologizing for something that is not intentional and not your fault. When you apologize you just send a message back to your brain that you did indeed do something wrong, which then in turn feeds unnecessary guilt. These are thoughts you said yourself that you do not want to have, God KNOWS that and He is not holding those thoughts against you. God is understanding, so why do you think you need to apologize?
I pray for you, Jodi
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