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1 Thessalonians 5:1-2 About dates and times, my friends, there is no need for me to write to you, for you know perfectly well that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. Bible References: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.
The Day that Paul is talking about here cannot be the same Day as he mentions in 1 Thess. 4:13-18, or later in 2 Thess. 1-8 where he says that the Day Jesus Returns will not come until the Anti-Christ is revealed and enthrones himself in the Temple. We read in Rev. 13:5 that the Anti-Christ is allowed to continue for 42 months, then Jesus will Return and chain him up for 1000 years. This time period is confirmed by Daniel 12:7 and again in Rev. 12:6 as 1260 days. [The three and a half year Great Tribulation]
Therefore those who are alive when the Anti-Christ declares himself to be God in the new Temple, can know exactly how long it will be before Jesus will Return. That glorious event should not be unexpected for them.
So what Day is Paul talking about in 1 Thess. 5:1-2? It is NOT the Return of Jesus on the Great Day of the Sovereign Lord, Rev. 16:14 and as described in Zechariah 14:3-5, Matthew 24:30, or Rev. 19:11-14, but it IS the terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath – a Day that will come unexpectedly. Isaiah 29:5-6 …suddenly, in an instant punishment will come from the Lord, with a great noise, storms, earthquakes and a devouring fire. Psalm 73:19, Jer. 4:20, Psalm 6:10
1 Thess.5:3 While they are saying: All is peaceful, we are safe, sudden destruction will come upon them and there will be no escape. Ezekiel 7:16, Romans 2:3
It seems that just before this terrible Day, there will be some kind of peace agreement made between the State of Israel and the Islamic nations surrounding it. The world will breathe a sigh of relief, but as we are told in Psalm 144:11…their every word is worthless, every oath is false. They will simply use that time of lessened vigilance to commence their attack. The moment of attack is the trigger for the Lord to arise and instigate His judgement/punishment by a massive CME sunstrike.
2 Thess. 1:8 In flaming fire, the Lord Jesus will mete out punishment to all those who refuse to acknowledge their Creator and do not obey Him. Hebrews 10:27
1 Thess. 5:4-9 But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that this Day should surprise you like a thief. You are all children of the light, we do not belong in the darkness. So then let us keep sober and alert, armed with the breastplate of faith and love, and with the hope of salvation as a helmet. God has not destined us to suffer His wrath, but for the full attainment of salvation through our Lord, Jesus Christ. Rev. 3:10
The punishment of the nations, the next prophesied event, the sixth seal – Rev 6:12-17, Isaiah 2:12-21, Jer. 23:19, Ezekiel 30:2-5, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:10 and many other vivid prophecies, that will literally be fulfilled on that Day of disaster for all the world. Everyone will be affected, Luke 21:35, and huge numbers of people will die. Isaiah 66:16, Jer. 9:22, Matthew 24:40. It will be God’s second ‘reset of civilization’, an event similar in scope to the flood in Noah’s day. At that time, really only Noah knew what was going to happen, now only just a very few understand the truth, as Daniel 12:10 says. Mathew 24:37-39
We, who believe in God, trust Jesus for our salvation and rely on His protection, have the promise of 1 Thess. 5:9 that we will not suffer His wrath. As I believe this event will be so devastating and deadly, it will only be something like a paraphysical shift into another dimension that will enable His people to survive. That this is a possibility, we see from Daniel 3:19-27 and Isaiah 43:2.Quote (keras @ Aug. 16 2013,08:28) 1 Thessalonians 5:1-2 About dates and times, my friends, there is no need for me to write to you, for you know perfectly well that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. Bible References: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.
The Day that Paul is talking about here cannot be the same Day as he mentions in 1 Thess. 4:13-18, or later in 2 Thess. 1-8 where he says that the Day Jesus Returns will not come until the Anti-Christ is revealed and enthrones himself in the Temple. We read in Rev. 13:5 that the Anti-Christ is allowed to continue for 42 months, then Jesus will Return and chain him up for 1000 years. This time period is confirmed by Daniel 12:7 and again in Rev. 12:6 as 1260 days. [The three and a half year Great Tribulation]
Therefore those who are alive when the Anti-Christ declares himself to be God in the new Temple, can know exactly how long it will be before Jesus will Return. That glorious event should not be unexpected for them.
So what Day is Paul talking about in 1 Thess. 5:1-2? It is NOT the Return of Jesus on the Great Day of the Sovereign Lord, Rev. 16:14 and as described in Zechariah 14:3-5, Matthew 24:30, or Rev. 19:11-14, but it IS the terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath – a Day that will come unexpectedly. Isaiah 29:5-6 …suddenly, in an instant punishment will come from the Lord, with a great noise, storms, earthquakes and a devouring fire. Psalm 73:19, Jer. 4:20, Psalm 6:10
1 Thess.5:3 While they are saying: All is peaceful, we are safe, sudden destruction will come upon them and there will be no escape. Ezekiel 7:16, Romans 2:3
It seems that just before this terrible Day, there will be some kind of peace agreement made between the State of Israel and the Islamic nations surrounding it. The world will breathe a sigh of relief, but as we are told in Psalm 144:11…their every word is worthless, every oath is false. They will simply use that time of lessened vigilance to commence their attack. The moment of attack is the trigger for the Lord to arise and instigate His judgement/punishment by a massive CME sunstrike.
2 Thess. 1:8 In flaming fire, the Lord Jesus will mete out punishment to all those who refuse to acknowledge their Creator and do not obey Him. Hebrews 10:27
1 Thess. 5:4-9 But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that this Day should surprise you like a thief. You are all children of the light, we do not belong in the darkness. So then let us keep sober and alert, armed with the breastplate of faith and love, and with the hope of salvation as a helmet. God has not destined us to suffer His wrath, but for the full attainment of salvation through our Lord, Jesus Christ. Rev. 3:10
The punishment of the nations, the next prophesied event, the sixth seal – Rev 6:12-17, Isaiah 2:12-21, Jer. 23:19, Ezekiel 30:2-5, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:10 and many other vivid prophecies, that will literally be fulfilled on that Day of disaster for all the world. Everyone will be affected, Luke 21:35, and huge numbers of people will die. Isaiah 66:16, Jer. 9:22, Matthew 24:40. It will be God’s second ‘reset of civilization’, an event similar in scope to the flood in Noah’s day. At that time, really only Noah knew what was going to happen, now only just a very few understand the truth, as Daniel 12:10 says. Mathew 24:37-39
We, who believe in God, trust Jesus for our salvation and rely on His protection, have the promise of 1 Thess. 5:9 that we will not suffer His wrath. As I believe this event will be so devastating and deadly, it will only be something like a paraphysical shift into another dimension that will enable His people to survive. That this is a possibility, we see from Daniel 3:19-27 and Isaiah 43:2.
Keras.Matthew 24:21 For then shall be **great tribulation**, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor *EVER SHALL BE*.
Matthew 24:22 *AND EXCEPT THOSE DAYS** should be SHORTENED, there should *NO FLESH BE SAVED*: but for the elect's sake those days *SHALL BE SHORTENED*.
(What is to be shortened? The tribulation days,which is the great war;or no flesh shall be saved).
Matthew 24:29 *IMMEDIATELY AFER* *OF THOSE DAYS* shall the sun be darkened, and the moon **SHALL NOT GIVE HER LIGHT**, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matthew 24:30 ****AND THEN SHALL APPEAR**** the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man **COMING IN CLOUDS** of heaven with power and great glory.
**ONLY NOW COMES THE RESURRECTION**
Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they *SHALL GATHER* together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (ONLY THIS TIME; IS THE RESURRECTION).(AT THE APPEARING).
wakeup.
keras,Aug. wrote:[/quote]
Hi Keras,Satan is the one locked up for the 1000 years not the false prophet.
The false prophet is thrown into the lake of fire at the coming and destroyed.
The false prophet is Satan's human 'intercessor', just as Jesus is His Fathers intercessor.
Satan is a copy cat.The 6th seal is the gathering of the worlds armies.
The wrath of God has already been ongoing before this opening of seal 6.The actual day of wrath itself is the final trump in the ongoing and culminating meted out wrath of God.
Trump 7 being the finale.
Trump 7 is that actual day of wrath…the big one, the nastiest one, the final punishment that completes the allotted climaxing 6 trumps before it.Cheers.
Wakeup, you will be happy to know that I agree with you, although it isn't the resurrection that I'm talking about there.
Dev, you are another that places the 6th seal at the Return. This breaks scripture and Rev 6:17 says it IS the Day of wrath, a literal Day, not the 3.5 year Tribulation, that comes later.
The Anti-Christ leader of the One World Govt and the False Prophet are two separate people. Rev. 16:13Quote (keras @ Aug. 16 2013,18:23) Wakeup, you will be happy to know that I agree with you, although it isn't the resurrection that I'm talking about there. Dev, you are another that places the 6th seal at the Return. This breaks scripture and Rev 6:17 says it IS the Day of wrath, a literal Day, not the 3.5 year Tribulation, that comes later.
The Anti-Christ leader of the One World Govt and the False Prophet are two separate people. Rev. 16:13
Hi Keras,I disagree.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
The dragon is Satan.
The beast is the 8th head,
Didn't John see a beast rising up out of the sea with 7 heads and 10 horns?Well, there's one of the beast's …. it's the empire.
That's one.
And another comes to rule that empire where 10 kings united, and he subdues three of them and takes over control.
And he performs miracles, and causes the world to worship (worship = obey) the first beast (that empire) and its laws.
And he is called the false prophet.That's two beasts,
Satan is the third.See, no room for another.
If we add the anti Christ, that will make 4 beasts.
But there are only two beasts and Satan being the 3rd.Also, (remember that the horns are upon the head of that beast which carries them, again, see, it is that beast which is being spoken of…don't get confused thinking this is some individual like this relatively 'new doctrine' has been saying.
The false prophet is the little horn that is upon that same beasts head where the other 10 horns were of whom you said was the antichrist.
So that cancels out any possible antichrist.So you see, there are only two in the world, the beast empire and the false prophet.
The third being Satan in the spiritual realm/dimension.Hi Keras,
Ill make this as brief as I can, leaving out other scriptures to back certain points made, but if asked, I will provide them gladly…
A brief look:
Revelation ch13:
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.2 And the beastwhich i saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
This is the first beast, the empire beast.
And his empire was wounded then healed, and the world wondered at him.And that beast had 10 horns (leaders), but these have received no (official) kingdom/empire yet, but they are all of them still plotting and scheming and working towards their goals at the moment being 'independent nations' with one vision of world government so as to create their empire and consolidate their power.
So, beast #1 is the empire.
Now, as God often does, here He has disguised His meaning, He has mixed this little treat in with the first beast explanation keeping in line with His style of conveying mysteries…and what He is doing here is skipping forward a little in time to reveal the machinations of this beast in full swing (now in power) and it's intentions.
Revelation 13:5
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.Remember, this is part of the first beast explanation…
Now, there were 10 kings, didn't they have mouths?
Of course they did, but they were given this mouth, so the mouth was not of the 10 kings, but another mouth has been introduced, a mouth that speaks great things.And since he was given to this beast, to these 10 kings, then he is now part of that beast, being the spokesman for that beast.
Revelation 13:6
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.Now remember that this mouth speaks wonderful words, and how he wears down the saints?
Can one sway a Christian by insults towards his God?
Or by smooth words craftily manipulated to pervert the words of God?Look at the wording above, it does seem he is cursing God, but he is not…he is twisting the meanings of Gods word, which is blasphemy, for to divide and conquer the hearts and minds of believers with their limited understandings.
That mouth is the false prophet himself after he has taken full control of the beast empire.
We continue…Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.Him, that mouth, the false prophet, he gains this power.
Remember everybody was already wondering and worshipping the beast empire?
But here, this mouth all of a sudden takes that power to himself.Keep this in mind, this mouth has power over all mankind, and he is the one waging war against the saints, and prevails.
we continue…Revelation 13: 8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.What? But weren't they already worshipping this first beast?
Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?Yes they were, so how is this 1st beast now getting the worship if he was already being worshipped?
A contradiction?
No, a mystery, because this is the false prophet at the helm now, he takes control of that beast empire remember, now he himself is being worshipped from his lofty seat, he is now receiving the praise and loyalty directly.
The reason God is showing us this beast like this is because he is showing the beast when it is in power
And it only gains power through its miracle man, the false prophet, that is why God skipped forward, He skipped forward to its official reign in the world.Now God goes back a little in time to reveal this mouth…to expose who he really is…
Revelation 13:11-12
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. (the mouth)12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
He exercise all the power of the first beast simply because he is now in charge of that beast.
He wants the people to obey this first beast because he is part of it himself.
Have the people obey the laws of the beast empire, so then he must be obeyed too.Revelation 13:13
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,This man does miracles.
Revelation 13:14-17
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
This is how he wages war on the saints, first with wonderful words, next by action.
For he knows that the true saints will not follow him, so he now has this way of killing them, waging war against them with the law (image) of the beast backing him/ justifying him.Now read revelation 19:19-20.
The beast and the kings of the earth and their armies…the beast empire with her strength behind her…being the worlds armies under its control…
And the false prophet who was with that beast…the leader of that empire who did miracles before (in its presence) that beast.
TWO not THREE
The beast …1
The false prophet…11+1 = 2.
No antichrist, that is a church doctrine gone viral.
And we know we can not depend on churches for deep knowledge, not one of them.Hope you consider with a open yet critical mind.
Thanks.
all,
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
just notice that ALL THREE SPIRITS ARE COMING OUT OF SATAN THE DRAGON ;1) OUT OF THE DRAGON IT SELF , 1) THROUGH HIS BEAST ,1) ONE OUT OF HIS FALSE PROPHET ,
OR SHOULD IT BE ;THREE OUT OF EACH MOUTH
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 18 2013,01:04) all, Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
just notice that ALL THREE SPIRITS ARE COMING OUT OF SATAN THE DRAGON ;1) OUT OF THE DRAGON IT SELF , 1) THROUGH HIS BEAST ,1) ONE OUT OF HIS FALSE PROPHET ,
OR SHOULD IT BE ;THREE OUT OF EACH MOUTH
Hi Terra,You are on the right track
It's the same unholy word being spoken which came from one source…the chief…Satan.
The order to gather the armies.
And the others are speaking the same 'word'.
The devils ('carrying' the 'word of Satan') are going out and causing those in power to obey and carry out Satan's order.
As for 3 devils out of each mouth, I never looked at it that way before, I don't think it means 3 out of each mouth simply because there are 3 main players & 3 devils like frogs to match……still……good observation nevertheless….something to ponder on.
Thanks Terra.
I don't disagree with any of the above posts by Dev and Terra. But what you are talking about will happen much later that what I show will happen, very soon. It is this judgement by fire, the Psalm 83 and many other prophesies, such as Isa 24, Rev 6:12-17, is what we should be aware of and prepared for.
Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 17 2013,21:39) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 18 2013,01:04) all, Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
just notice that ALL THREE SPIRITS ARE COMING OUT OF SATAN THE DRAGON ;1) OUT OF THE DRAGON IT SELF , 1) THROUGH HIS BEAST ,1) ONE OUT OF HIS FALSE PROPHET ,
OR SHOULD IT BE ;THREE OUT OF EACH MOUTH
Hi Terra,You are on the right track
It's the same unholy word being spoken which came from one source…the chief…Satan.
The order to gather the armies.
And the others are speaking the same 'word'.
The devils ('carrying' the 'word of Satan') are going out and causing those in power to obey and carry out Satan's order.
As for 3 devils out of each mouth, I never looked at it that way before, I don't think it means 3 out of each mouth simply because there are 3 main players & 3 devils like frogs to match……still……good observation nevertheless….something to ponder on.
Thanks Terra.
devoi believe that it is 3 unclean spirits (ideas that contradict the truth of God ) is the same for (3)THE BEAST AND THE(3) FALSE PROPHET
SO SATAN (DRAGON) HIS THE PRIME SOURCE OF THE 3 SPIRITS ,AND SHARE THEM WITH ;THE BEAST AND THEN WITH THE FALSE PROPHET,
but what would those spirits be
1 ? 2? 3?Quote (keras @ Aug. 18 2013,08:47) I don't disagree with any of the above posts by Dev and Terra. But what you are talking about will happen much later that what I show will happen, very soon. It is this judgement by fire, the Psalm 83 and many other prophesies, such as Isa 24, Rev 6:12-17, is what we should be aware of and prepared for.
Hi Keras,Just so you know where we stand on how 'soon' it comes…
Israel was brought back in 48 by Gods will…
This does not mean that God is 'back' with Israel yet…
He has done this for a purpose, a coming judgment against Israel.
This gathering is for Israel's last punishment.
So the current gathering is for bad, not for good.And Israel is doing just as the other nations are doing right now, though unbeknown to them all, they are worshipping Satan, drunk on all his worldly offerings.
God is not happy.So Israel was given 70 years to play the harlot one last time, and then God said He will punish her with a smoke from the north (the armies of the false prophet come).
But before that, the false prophet must first reveal himself to the world,
his 'political campaign' begins in his own country where the 10 kings play.
3 1/2 years he will be in that sandpit until he turns his full attention to Israel (though it is in his heart to take Israel all along)…(I say full attention also because it appears he, the false prophet, allows the Jews to start rebuilding the temple before he comes to claim it as his own)70 years is up in 2018.
Israel will be attacked around 2018.
Which means we should see that wicked man 2014-2015 ish.
Because his reign is just under 7 years, but he is only in Israel for 3 1/2 years, and scripture is clear, it is his last 3 1/2 years on earth when he attacks them, which means his first 3 1/2 years is in his own lands.Thus we estimate that the false prophet will be revealed in about a year from now, which means of course, that he is already here waiting for the green light.
So you see Keras, we probably do agree on how close it is.
devo
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
1) ?
2) ?3 )?
but what is for sure that I know is ;that the beast is part of the physical acting on those spirits ,
and the the false prophet is the one that ; do the proclamation it, and tell that it is true even divine ,
it seem that one thing is flashing in my mind on this ; and it is Nimrod with the tower of Babel; he also made a proclamation to the people TO STAY ALL TOGETHER AND BUILT A NAME FOR THEMSELVES
what was an direct rejection of Gods will for mankind ;Ge 9:1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth.
now that the earth is filled up but with the administration being so corrupt and greedy,many will die of it ,even the earth suffers,
this is my two cents
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 19 2013,05:44) devo Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
1) ?
2) ?3 )?
but what is for sure that I know is ;that the beast is part of the physical acting on those spirits ,
and the the false prophet is the one that ; do the proclamation it, and tell that it is true even divine ,
it seem that one thing is flashing in my mind on this ; and it is Nimrod with the tower of Babel; he also made a proclamation to the people TO STAY ALL TOGETHER AND BUILT A NAME FOR THEMSELVES
what was an direct rejection of Gods will for mankind ;Ge 9:1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth.
now that the earth is filled up but with the administration being so corrupt and greedy,many will die of it ,even the earth suffers,
this is my two cents
Terra.The dragon gives a command.
The beast repeats the command.
And the false prophet utters the command to
gather the armies. for they are spirits of devils.wakeup.
Hi,
Of course any human efforts will not interfere with what is prophesied.
Best to seek the kingdomQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 05 2014,07:53) Hi,
Of course any human efforts will not interfere with what is prophesied.
Best to seek the kingdom
Hi..
Seek; because the kingdom is absent from you.
You have not found,because it is hidden from you.
Hidden; because God had made His decision.wakeup.
wakeup
Quote Terra. The dragon gives a command.
The beast repeats the command.
And the false prophet utters the command to
gather the armies. for they are spirits of devils.wakeup.
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what are you saying
if anythingHi,
.Zechariah 12:10
“I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
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