Sunni Shia War?

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  • #791822
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    In a topic in one of our forums, some discussing Islam and/or ISIS did not see any significance in Bible prophecy. They think that ISIS are just a bunch of thugs that won’t last very long and Islam is irrelevant in how prophetic events will unfold.

    However, I believe that the rise of Islam and ISIS are significant for a number of reasons.

    1. The rise if ISIS took place during the Tetrad which I suggested in the forums was a significant sign from God which could unfold significant events. I also believe that people mock or disbelieve such signs  on God’s appointed seasons because these signs and seasons have successfully been hidden from many followers of Christ due to the changing of the time/calender by Pop Gregory to the Gregorian calendar. Believers know more about Easter and Christmas than they do Biblical Feasts and as such are not that able to recognise the times and the seasons such as the Tetrad we are in now. They do not see the Tetrad as being significant either.
    2. That Islam or some political entity in Islam could be one of the heads of the Beast, and is both the seventh and eighth king mentioned in Revelation.
    3. Regarding the Arab Spring, it was also suggested in the forums that this could lead to an Islamic Empire of some kind one day. Some do not think this was likely to happen as you can see if you read this topic.
    4. That ISIS could restore the Islamic Caliphate otherwise known as the Ottoman Empire or could spark a Sunni Shia war that leads to an Islamic empire rising from the ashes.

    Now it looks even more likely for such predictions and insights have merit.

    I just read this headline now and it happened not long after the Eclipse within the Tetrad.


    On the brink of a new Middle Eastern catastrophe: Saudi Arabia sends war planes into Yemen in a terrifying clash with Iran leaving region at boiling point

    • Religious fissure between Sunni and Shia Muslims erupted into conflict
    • Saudi Arabia launched airstrikes against Iran-backed Shia Houthi rebels
    • 18 civilians were injured after Saudi warplanes targeted Sana’a in Yemen
    • Britain and America supported the Saudi-led military intervention
    • Coalition deployed 100 fighter jets and 150,000 soldiers to fight in region

    Truly, it is a terrifying development. The great religious fissure between Sunni and Shia Muslims that dominates the Middle East has erupted into open conflict in Yemen, the region’s poorest country, threatening to engulf the entire area in a wider war.

    In a dramatic escalation of the stakes, a Sunni coalition of Arab states led by Saudi Arabia launched airstrikes against Iran-backed Shia Houthi rebels who have swept south through the country.

    As Yemen veered towards political disintegration, the conflict exploded into a region-wide crisis that could have far-reaching and unpredictable international consequences.

    Brent crude oil prices increased by 6 per cent, for example, since many of the world’s oil shipments pass through or past the Bab el-Mandab Strait linking the Red Sea with the Gulf of Aden.

    But the far more pressing concern is whether we are now seeing a proxy war in Yemen between its neighbour Saudi Arabia, the leading Sunni power, and Iran, the leading Shia power, explode into a regional conflict that could sweep us all up in its wake.

    Saudi warplanes targeted Houthi positions in the country’s capital Sana’a killing 18 civilians and injuring many more.

    Britain and America supported the Saudi-led military intervention in Yemen as the coalition deployed 100 fighter jets and amassed 150,000 soldiers to fight in the region.

    Another nine Sunni states joined the offensive, including the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Qatar, pledging to send aircraft to bomb targets, with Egypt deploying ships.

    Anticipating the worsening situation, British elite soldiers — in Yemen to train government troops to fight Al Qaeda, which has established its most dangerous branch in the country — pulled out last Friday.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3013804/Saudi-Arabia-sends-war-planes-Yemen-terrifying-clash-Iran-leaving-Middle-East-brink-catastrophe.html?ito=social-facebook

    #791826
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    “There will be a conflict in the Middle East that will result in Damascus being utterly destroyed. This will be done in such a way that the world will become enraged at Israel. Many of the problems then sweeping the world will be blamed on Jews who will have been holding key economic and political positions, seemingly indicating a conspiracy. Even the United States will wash its hands of Israel…”
    “During this same period the Soviets, in league with Iran and other Islamic nations, will march against Israel with worldwide public opinion on their side. No other country will help Israel but the assault will be stopped by an earthquake and great storms.. [which] will so undeniably be an act of God…” p139

    ‘The Harvest’ ~ Rick Joyner 1989 (p138)

    #797602
    bodhitharta
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    The Harvest’ ~ Rick Joyner 1989 (p138)

    That must be one good work of fiction

    #797744
    AndrewAD
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    A good work of fiction?  by a Zionist new age apostle and prophet? -never! All his theorizing comes from the bible and the spirit!

    #798099
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    But where has he been wrong. Simple question. Let’s face it, people probably thought Noah’s message was fiction and the truth is stranger than fiction.

    Rather than make personal guesses, just show one instance of a false prophecy. I am not against you doing that. But it is what I require before I judge the man. I don’t want to get carried away with judging people without sure evidence. I don’t see any point in being a modern day Pharisee.

    #798102
    AndrewAD
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    I haven’t read the book but what you quote from him here hasn’t come to pass yet which of course doesn’t prove him false.But I’ve heard and read these prophetical scenarios before and he’s basically just saying what he was also taught and adding his own prognostications based on current events.

    #798104
    bodhitharta
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    Rick Joyner has had failed prophecies as most evengelicals do most of the ones that stick out concern Y2K and 2012 but when they fail they just make excuses for failing, here is a really great excuse by Rick Joyner:

    One of the greatest hazards affecting maturing prophets is the erroneous interpretation of the Old Testament exhortation that if a prophet ever predicted something which did not come to pass he was no longer to be considered a true prophet (see Deut. 18:20-22). The warning was that if this happened, the prophet had been presumptuous and the people were not to fear him. If one predicts something in the name of the Lord, and it does not come to pass, he has probably spoken presumptuously and needs to be repented of, but that does not make him a false prophet. No one could step out in the faith required to walk in his calling if he knew that a single mistake would ruin him for life. (Source: The Prophetic Ministry, The Morning Star Prophetic Newsletter, Rick Joyner, n.d. Vol. 3, No. 2, Pg. 2)

    Sounds logical but what about constant mistakes?

    “Many will say to Me on that day [of judgement], Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name? . . . And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness’.”
    (Matthew 7:22-23)

    NOTE: None of the entire Christian prophetic movement warned us about the Sept. 11th attacks. However, seemingly all of them since that day want to weigh in on the matter. Their responses are merely reactionary, not anticipatory. The Bible reveals to us that God’s prophets were far more knowledgeable and effective than what we’ve seen from these present-day “Monday morning quarterbacks”. (I wonder if these people still believe Amos 3:7 applies to them…)

    #798108
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    They love to quote Amos 3:7 and pretend they knew all along about whatever or at least kind of had a feeling about it. But whenever what they say doesn’t happen they have all kinds of strange reasons to say that somehow it did happen; just like Christ really “came” in the first century,1844,1914,2011 etc.He’s come back lots of times and will continue to.

     

    #798259
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Still haven’t seen any proof. Just speculation so far. I can’t condemn a man based on speculation.

    #798260
    Proclaimer
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    Rick Joyner has had failed prophecies as most evengelicals do most of the ones that stick out concern Y2K and 2012 but when they fail they just make excuses for failing, here is a really great excuse by Rick Joyner:

    Where is the proof? I refuse to condemn anyone without proof. I believe that is wrong.

    As for Y2K, I found this and it shows the exact opposite of your judgement on him.

    #798261
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    Participant

    Actually I just realised this topic of way off track. Feel free to start a topic on Rick Joyner and add your evidence against him.

    So far I see zero evidence. I am not against evidence, but just do not consider no evidence as proof.

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