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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 30 2009,09:03) Hi WJ,
What is a believer?
One who preaches a strange and unbiblical trinity god?
Strange trinity god?Biblical trinity God: God + God's own Son + God's own Spirit
Strange trinity God: God + Nick + Nick
“The Father judges no man but has committed all judgment to NICK that all men may honor NICK even as they honor the Father.”
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 29 2009,15:52) Hi BD,
How can anyone be ready outside of rebirth into Jesus?
Your own righteousness can only be as filthy rags.
Let God dress you in clean garments.Zech 3, lk15
The clean garments are Jesus himself which Nick denies. Nick's garments are as filthy as bd's.thinker
Douglas wrote:
Quote Firstly, why would he be an unbeliever? When are you a believer and when are you not? Bd is an unbeliever because he denies that Christ was crucified.
thinker
WorshippingJesus said:
Quote Hi BD In your mind it did not happen.
Maybe you do not understand as much as you think you do!
Ask Jack or George on this sight if they believe what Jesus spoke happened!
I do not claim to be an expert in Biblical Prophesy, but I know that Jesus was not speaking falsehoods and not a single word of his fell to the ground.
WJ
Yes it did happen. It happened in Jesus' own generation like Jesus said it would. The destruction of the temple was the sign that it would happen. Georg denies it happened in Jesus' own generation. He says Jesus returned in 1914. This means that the prophecy failed because Jesus said “this generation” shall see.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 30 2009,23:01) WorshippingJesus said: Quote Hi BD In your mind it did not happen.
Maybe you do not understand as much as you think you do!
Ask Jack or George on this sight if they believe what Jesus spoke happened!
I do not claim to be an expert in Biblical Prophesy, but I know that Jesus was not speaking falsehoods and not a single word of his fell to the ground.
WJ
Yes it did happen. It happened in Jesus' own generation like Jesus said it would. The destruction of the temple was the sign that it would happen. Georg denies it happened in Jesus' own generation. He says Jesus returned in 1914. This means that the prophecy failed because Jesus said “this generation” shall see.
thinker
That was not an explanation but you did get rid of one explanation disproving George. Now prove your take on the subject and when you cannot and you will not then please conceed but whatever you do please don't run opff or change the subject as this is important to all of us here.We all love each other so let's do our best towards one another.
In-fact TT,
We can debate this topic if you would like that then simply agree and I will set it up or you can set it up, you can even decide who wins:)
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 31 2009,09:32) Hi TT,
Do believers teach from outside of scripture that God is a strange trinity?
Even so, Christ's sacrificial death covers ALL SINS. A “strange” trinity would be a trinity that cannot be found in scripture. The Father, the Son and the Spirit are found in scripture.thinker
Hi TT,
But no humanly fashioned community trinity god is found there.
It is of the speculations of men[Rom1]Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 01 2009,11:02) Hi TT,
But no humanly fashioned community trinity god is found there.
It is of the speculations of men[Rom1]
Then answer Hebrews chapter one where the Father calls the Son “God” and attributes creation to Him.thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 01 2009,11:00) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 31 2009,09:32) Hi TT,
Do believers teach from outside of scripture that God is a strange trinity?
Even so, Christ's sacrificial death covers ALL SINS. A “strange” trinity would be a trinity that cannot be found in scripture. The Father, the Son and the Spirit are found in scripture.thinker
Love covers all sins as well so love Christ, Love me and be God Blessed.Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 31 2009,09:35) In-fact TT, We can debate this topic if you would like that then simply agree and I will set it up or you can set it up, you can even decide who wins:)
bd,
Go ahead and set it up and get back to me. But I will debate only from scripture and from historical facts.thinker
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 01 2009,11:05) Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 01 2009,11:00) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 31 2009,09:32) Hi TT,
Do believers teach from outside of scripture that God is a strange trinity?
Even so, Christ's sacrificial death covers ALL SINS. A “strange” trinity would be a trinity that cannot be found in scripture. The Father, the Son and the Spirit are found in scripture.thinker
Love covers all sins as well so love Christ, Love me and be God Blessed.
The only requisite to salvation is that one believe that Christ died for him. You deny that Christ was crucified. Nick requires that one must believe as he does in order to be a Christian. Nick shows that he does not understand God's free grace. Nick thinks that the mandate “judge not” does not include himself.thinker
Hi TT,
Really?
So what of the book of ACTS?
That he died for you is a historical and scriptural fact.Agreeing it is true saves nobody.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 01 2009,11:12) Hi TT,
Really?
So what of the book of ACTS?
That he died for you is a historical and scriptural fact.Agreeing it is true saves nobody.
“Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED” (Acts 2:21). It is not the “gospel” of Nick that saves.thinker
Hi TT,
Do you think intellectually accepting that Jesus died for you relates to a scripture for the Jews in Joel?
Do you think somehow that saved you?Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 01 2009,11:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 01 2009,11:05) Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 01 2009,11:00) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 31 2009,09:32) Hi TT,
Do believers teach from outside of scripture that God is a strange trinity?
Even so, Christ's sacrificial death covers ALL SINS. A “strange” trinity would be a trinity that cannot be found in scripture. The Father, the Son and the Spirit are found in scripture.thinker
Love covers all sins as well so love Christ, Love me and be God Blessed.
The only requisite to salvation is that one believe that Christ died for him. You deny that Christ was crucified. Nick requires that one must believe as he does in order to be a Christian. Nick shows that he does not understand God's free grace. Nick thinks that the mandate “judge not” does not include himself.thinker
I am not debating your salvation. If believing that Christ died for your sins refrain you from commiting further sins and loving God, then, so be it. My only Goal is to “clarify” your belief.What failed prediction are you speaking about? Surely not the one below?
“About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when interpreted literally, appear to record many predictions by Jeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) that God's Kingdom would arrive within a very short period, or was actually in the process of arriving. For example, Jesus is recorded as saying in Matthew 16:28: “…there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” In Matthew 24:34, Yeshua is recorded as saying: “…This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”
Jesus was referring to the Kingdom of God which came down to Earth on the day he was resurrected. It did arrive. And there were some standing there who entered into that Kingdom on the Day of Pentecost. They are now dead to their sins and are filled with his spirit. That generation did not pass away until they saw the Kingdom coming down. That was the day , scripture was fulfilled. There is now a way into the holy of hollies for us. He is the firstborn of many Sons. Many are still waiting for the Kingdom of God and it arrived on the Day of Pentacost.
Hi BD:
Quote Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Mat 24:15 ¶ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:29 ¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mat 24:32 ¶ Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh:Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, [even] at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
These things have not been totally fulfilled, but I believe that we are the generation which will see them fulfilled. But for sure the generation which sees the Anti-Christ setting himself up in the temple of God showing himself to be God, which is termed the Abomination of Desolation in verse 24:15, will be the generation that Jesus spoke about that will see all of these things spoken here fulfilled.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 01 2009,11:33) Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 01 2009,11:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 01 2009,11:05) Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 01 2009,11:00) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 31 2009,09:32) Hi TT,
Do believers teach from outside of scripture that God is a strange trinity?
Even so, Christ's sacrificial death covers ALL SINS. A “strange” trinity would be a trinity that cannot be found in scripture. The Father, the Son and the Spirit are found in scripture.thinker
Love covers all sins as well so love Christ, Love me and be God Blessed.
The only requisite to salvation is that one believe that Christ died for him. You deny that Christ was crucified. Nick requires that one must believe as he does in order to be a Christian. Nick shows that he does not understand God's free grace. Nick thinks that the mandate “judge not” does not include himself.thinker
I am not debating your salvation. If believing that Christ died for your sins refrain you from commiting further sins and loving God, then, so be it. My only Goal is to “clarify” your belief.
bd,
I thought you were talking about debating the supposed fail prophecy of Christ's second coming. It happened in AD70. Is this what you want to debate?thinker
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