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What spirits did Jesus preach to:
My question is what human spirits would that be?
Gen 6:7 And the LORD3068 said,559 I will “destroy4229” (853) man120 whom834 I have created1254 from4480, 5921 the face6440 of the earth;127 both man,4480, 120 and5704 beast,929 and5704 the creeping thing,7431 and5704 the fowls5775 of the air;8064 for3588 it repenteth5162 me that3588 I have made6213 them.
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מחה
mâchâh
maw-khaw'
A primitive root; properly to stroke or rub; by implication “to erase”; also to smooth (as if with oil), that is, grease or make fat; also to touch, that is, reach to: – “Abolish, Blow Out, Destroy, Full of Marrow, Put Out, Reach Unto, X Utterly, Wipe (away,Out)”.*Noah and his family were the only pure humans left on earth.
So everyone except Noah were “DESTROYED”, God destroyed everything flesh, spirit and soul of man.
The only other beings that survived the flood would be the fallen angels.
The “TIME FRAME” is the days of Noah. All other beings were destroyed. Who are these spirits “while the ark was being made”? They are the fallen Angels or Noah and family. They were simply no one else there. Again ALL OTHERS during Noah's time were Destroyed by God.
1Pe 3:19 in which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison, that aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water:
These spirits were in the days of Noah. No other “being” survived the flood.————–
It's not HOW MUCH GOD YOU HAVE It's HOW MUCH OF YOU DOES GOD HAVE
Back to topDear kenrch,
Jesus did not go into the lower parts to preach to the spirits until his death. He only went once and preached to all the spirits being held captive in death.
None would be set free unless they were able to confess with their mouth that Jesus is the Son of God. These spirits where being held captive, but because of their rightious hearts, Jesus preached to them in the lower parts. Yet, they had to confess with their mouths. Scripture plainly says so. So the soul must have a mouth to speak and must have a conciousness to think or none of the rightious dead would be set free from death's embrace.
Romans 10:9 that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart, one believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
I know you are struggling with this verse brother, but read the verse prior to it.
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
It immediately says in the next verse that he went and preached to the spirits being held in prison. You are trying to make it out that verse 20 is referring to disobedient prior to Noah. This verse refers to all disobedient and then it refers to God's long suffering until the ark was completed.
It was comparing the longsuffering of those trapped souls held in death til the time Jesus went and preached to them, compared to God's longsuffering in the days of Noah.
If Hades was seperated into 2 regions i.e., righteous and wicked, then Jesus could have preached to the righteous. I heard it once this way: “he proclaimed to them the victory over death”.
Then at the time of the resurrection, many of the graves were opened.
Matthew 27:52
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
I would imagine that they would have been righteous people that were loosed from death/hades.Of course it is also possible that Christ preached to the wicked dead too. But what would he have said to them?
Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ July 17 2006,20:01) Dear kenrch, Jesus did not go into the lower parts to preach to the spirits until his death. He only went once and preached to all the spirits being held captive in death.
None would be set free unless they were able to confess with their mouth that Jesus is the Son of God. These spirits where being held captive, but because of their rightious hearts, Jesus preached to them in the lower parts. Yet, they had to confess with their mouths. Scripture plainly says so. So the soul must have a mouth to speak and must have a conciousness to think or none of the rightious dead would be set free from death's embrace.
Romans 10:9 that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart, one believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
I know you are struggling with this verse brother, but read the verse prior to it.
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
It immediately says in the next verse that he went and preached to the spirits being held in prison. You are trying to make it out that verse 20 is referring to disobedient prior to Noah. This verse refers to all disobedient and then it refers to God's long suffering until the ark was completed.
It was comparing the longsuffering of those trapped souls held in death til the time Jesus went and preached to them, compared to God's longsuffering in the days of Noah.
H,“Preached unto the spirits in prison” does not mean that Jesus gave anyone a second chance. You say that the scriptures plainly say that those souls had to confess with their mouths. Where does the scripture state this? Please don't tell me that you are referencing Rom. 10.
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 18 2006,08:10) If Hades was seperated into 2 regions i.e., righteous and wicked, then Jesus could have preached to the righteous. I heard it once this way: “he proclaimed to them the victory over death”. Then at the time of the resurrection, many of the graves were opened.
Matthew 27:52
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
I would imagine that they would have been righteous people that were loosed from death/hades.Of course it is also possible that Christ preached to the wicked dead too. But what would he have said to them?
t8,You are on target with the first part of your post, but Christ did not give the wicked a second chance.
Hi,
Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned– 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.To all,
8 were saved by the preaching of the Spirit of Christ that was in Noah at that time. They were Noah and his wife, their three sons and their wives. That 8 total that were rescued from captivity to the darkness of sin.
Isaiah 9:2
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light:
they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death,
upon them hath the light shined.Hi:
As I have stated elsewhere, dead men do not preach, and so, Jesus did not preach to anyone while he was in the grave. He did preach to the spiritually dead prior to his death and after his resurrection.
As Krench has stated, those in Noah's day were destroyed because unbelief. Only Noah and his family and their families were saved. How can anyone preach to someone who has been destroyed? But as Nick stated, the scriptures state that from Adam unto Moses sin was not imputed because there was no Law, but the scripture states that nevertheless death did reign. My understanding of this, is that these in this time frame, shared the same judgment as Adam and Eve, but they were not judged for every transgression of the, yet unwritten Law of God. They have been judged already, and the scriptures state that the wages of sin is death. They are dead. They have been destroyed.
Noah preached to the people while he was building the ark, and Jesus preached, and we are preaching to the people as the ark, the body of Christ, is being prepared to be caught up with the Lord.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote Mat 24:37
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.Mat 24:38
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,Mat 24:39
And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.all
Ge 2:10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters.
Ge 2:11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold.
Ge 2:12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin and onyx are also there.)
Ge 2:13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush.
Ge 2:14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.
Ge 2:15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.
Ge 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
Ge 2:17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.”
Ge 2:18 The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
Ge 2:19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.
Ge 2:20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found.
Ge 2:21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh.
Ge 2:22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
Ge 2:23 The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”Ge 2:24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
Ge 2:25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.The Fall of Man
Ge 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
Ge 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,
Ge 3:3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ”
Ge 3:4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman.
Ge 3:5 “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
Ge 3:6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
Ge 3:7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
Ge 3:8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
Ge 3:9 But the LORD God called to the man, “Where are you?”
Ge 3:10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”
Ge 3:11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from? ”
Ge 3:12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
Ge 3:13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
Ge 3:14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
Ge 3:15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
Ge 3:16 To the woman he said,
“I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
Ge 3:17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat of it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat of it
all the days of your life.
Ge 3:18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
Ge 3:19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
Ge 3:20 Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.
Ge 3:21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.
Ge 3:22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
Ge 3:23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.
Ge 3:24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.if only this above story was known to men ;what can it be said about all the things that God does not approve and how many laws are in this story
either learn or dictatedHi 94,
Can you not accept what is written in 1 Peter 3?
What about 1 Peter 4?Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
Do you believe Jesus was wrong when he said God was the God of the LIVING?
Abraham and Isaac and Jacob are ALIVE in the Spirit.Moses and Elijah spoke with him on the mountain.
Hi 94,
Can the dead in Christ HEAR?jn5
5 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.Hi 94,
Can those in Christ SEE.
Did not Abraham rejoice when he SAW Jesus's time?What of these witnesses?
Heb 1212 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
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