Speculation

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Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 02 2009,17:03)

Hi Nick,

I don't know what specifically you are talking about but I don't think that we should discourage people from presenting their ideas/speculations as a theory. I agree that it is a problem when they lean on their understanding and not open to testing it. This is a good forum to share thoughts so others can challenge them and sharpen them.

Great things can come from speculation. Frank Peretti told me once, “Never lose your sense of wonder.”
LU

The key is the nature of the tests. If two cannot agree on guidelines for testing it just falls into more speculation and opinion bashing.
the problem lies with those that are not really interested in supporting God's work with any more then lip service. Proving a doctrine becomes a pride trip. Perhaps part of the problem is that there is too much variance in what Christians believe is the work of God in this day. Maybe a thread on the plan and purposes of God needs to be started and when a consensus is found test doctrine to see if they support that purpose.

February 2, 2009 at 7:48 pm#120035

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Hi martian,
Scripture is the test.
Witnessing verses can show proofs.
Other factors such as culture and usage can be relevant.

February 2, 2009 at 9:29 pm#120044

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 03 2009,06:48)

Hi martian,
Scripture is the test.
Witnessing verses can show proofs.
Other factors such as culture and usage can be relevant.

How do you know what the scripture really means? Rely on yur own logic? Do you use context, language definitions, paraleel scriptures and most important do you judge them by their fruits and what they actually do?

_OR-
Do we go by voices we hear, hairs on the back of our necks, whatever fits with our (already decided upon ) doctrine

Without appropriate safeguards there is no way to prove anyting. Certainly no way to prove anything to anyone else.

February 3, 2009 at 12:09 am#120072

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Hello,
I just wanted to interject this:

Matt 10:27-28
27 What I tell you in the dark, utter in the light; and what you hear whispered, proclaim upon the housetops.
RSV
Matt 10:27
27 What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs.
(from New International Version)
LU

February 3, 2009 at 2:22 pm#120136

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Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 03 2009,11:09)

Hello,
I just wanted to interject this:

I am not sure I catch your point. The context of this verse is Christ giving instructions to the disciples befoe sending them out. It is a time of great pesecution. People were being killed, tortured and put in prison for teaching as Jesus did. Unless you live in Iran or some other anti-Christian country, it cannot apply in the same way.

February 3, 2009 at 4:43 pm#120143

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Quote (martian @ Feb. 03 2009,09:22)

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 03 2009,11:09)

Hello,
I just wanted to interject this:

Well Martian,
Maybe you have never heard a whisper in your ear that came out of nowhere that changed your life and gave you a connection for something you had been searching for spiritually. I proclaimed it to some trinitarians, yes a form of persecution all in the name of God is what I experienced. Try telling trinitarians that the Son of God may have had a beginning. I was told that I was deceived, I had pride, I had a spirit of blindness, I had the spirit of a cult. Nobody seemed to come up with the same diagnosis. I do not hold that against anyone because I believe that they meant well although I felt very alone.

I heard a whisper in my ear that day that brought my search to my destination and I am thankful for it eventhough I haven't felt like I “fit in” with my trinitarian brothers and sisters since. Believe me, I like to fit in, but not at the sake of denying what I have come to believe.

So do with it what you will, I am sure that it is not my job to convince anyone however it is my job to test it and then proclaim it. It has brought me greater understanding of other scriptures and greater knowledge of my Lord and Savior.

February 3, 2009 at 5:43 pm#120150

Cindy

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Kathi good post. I do agree with your understand and that shows that God by His Holy Spirit is working in them that will have an open mind, and listen. Understand what Covenant we are under is very important, otherwise we go back to the legalistic old Covenant. Christ has died for us and we are under the Blood of Christ, and sin is not imputed to us. And if we should sin, and we do, we have a Mediator Jesus Christ, to go now to the Throne of God and ask for forgiveness and He will instantly do so. The
law is magnified and God is putting all into our Hearts. But what is most important is that Eternal life is a free gift from God, so no one can boast. If we love God with all of our Hearts, He is pleased with us. He does not want a robot, He wants Children that love Him, respect, honor and do all good things for Him. So our Job here is to grow and become more like Christ.

Peace and Love Irene

February 3, 2009 at 5:59 pm#120151

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Thanks Irene,
I hope you are having a good day.
Love, Kathi

February 3, 2009 at 6:08 pm#120153

Not3in1

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Kathi,

Frank Peretti was very close friends with my youth pastor growing up. We used to see him all the time, and he would share his stories with us. He is the most amazing story teller – love that man – and his work.

Hope all is well with you,
Mandy

February 3, 2009 at 8:28 pm#120165

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Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 04 2009,03:43)

Quote (martian @ Feb. 03 2009,09:22)

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 03 2009,11:09)

Hello,
I just wanted to interject this:

Well indeed I have had many experiances of God telling me things. I have always tried to test them by using good sound principles of Bible interpretation. Without those sound principles we can never be sure if our testing is honest or accurate.

February 3, 2009 at 8:33 pm#120167

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….1;st=50

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Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 04 2009,03:43)

Quote (martian @ Feb. 03 2009,09:22)

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 03 2009,11:09)

Hello,
I just wanted to interject this:

If you are interested, I have made a brief outline of some of the major principles I use in interpreting scripture on this page.

You might glean something from it.

Blessings

February 3, 2009 at 11:25 pm#120212

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Thanks Martian,
I'll look that over.
LU

February 3, 2009 at 11:30 pm#120215

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Quote (Not3in1 @ Feb. 03 2009,13:08)

Kathi,

Hope all is well with you,
Mandy

Hi Mandy,
I'll bet that was neat to be around Frank Peretti and hear his stories. I enjoyed listening to him at a pro-life women's service's banquet once. I still remember something that he said beside not losing your sense of wonder. He said that some believe that there is no absolute truth…true or false? I got a kick out of that!

Nice to hear from you. Take care,
Kathi

February 3, 2009 at 11:35 pm#120216

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Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 04 2009,10:30)

Quote (Not3in1 @ Feb. 03 2009,13:08)

Kathi,

Hope all is well with you,
Mandy

Nice to hear from you. Take care,
Kathi

I like this one for absolute truth.
There is a God an I am not him.

I cannot argue with that one.

March 25, 2010 at 7:20 am#184727

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Hi,
Thy word is truth.
But folks like to garnish it.

March 23, 2012 at 8:15 am#287038

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Hi,
Truth is simple.
Garnished with speculation and special visions it becomes deception.

March 23, 2012 at 9:04 pm#287109

terraricca

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 24 2012,02:15)

Hi,
Truth is simple.
Garnished with speculation and special visions it becomes deception.

and you like to ungarnish it and replaced with your own views is this better

at the least if we investigate scriptures by all our means today it will help us to get rid of those personal views of all others or most of them

March 26, 2014 at 10:14 pm#374983