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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2009,14:38)
Don't dodge your lies with rhetoric. I don't need your instruction, I ask that you stop the lies.Nick accused Seeking with –
Quote Nick said: Quote
how can you offer Romans 10 as a new way of salvation?Seeking pointed out –
Quote No where in the entire post did I speak of a “new way of salvation.” Nick ads –
Quote But men instead falsely offer these verses to the unsaved suggesting that only mental assent is required for salvation and not what was demonstrated constantly in the book of Acts. You must be reborn of water and the Spirit.
I submit to you public confession is far beyond “mental assent.” Confession is not a part of a 'New Gospel” as you infer. Rather it is a part of “THEE” gospel, is it not.
Or do we just need to get wet? No repentance, no faith, no confession? In fact, Baptism to the first century Christain was a public confession they were renouncing Judiasm and accepting Christ according to historical accounts.Seeking
Hi S,
You love calling folk liars and deceivers and manipulators so I hope it does not draw judgement to you.You say
“Confession is not a part of a 'New Gospel” as you infer. Rather it is a part of “THEE” gospel, is it not.”Interesting NEW GOSPEL
Gal1
6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2009,15:47)
Nick said –Quote Hi S,
You love calling folk liars and deceivers and manipulators so I hope it does not draw judgement to you.Wrong Nick, just you because it is what you do. Numerous of us now know and have identified you for what you are. Repentance is your solution. I anticipate no judgement as my charge is Eph 5:11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
The rest of this garble I don't even follow:
Quote You say
“Confession is not a part of a 'New Gospel” as you infer. Rather it is a part of “THEE” gospel, is it not.”Interesting NEW GOSPEL
Gal1
6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Are you saying confession of Jesus is not a part of the gospel response. Is your version what I asked?
I submit to you public confession is far beyond “mental assent.” Confession is not a part of a 'New Gospel” as you infer. Rather it is a part of “THEE” gospel, is it not.
Or do we just need to get wet? No repentance, no faith, no confession? In fact, Baptism to the first century Christain was a public confession they were renouncing Judiasm and accepting Christ according to historical accounts.Is repentance unnecessary too? How about receiving the word – not necessary? Believing – unnecessary?
I'm outta here!
Hi all,
I just had a thought. How did we go from Sparrows to Baptism?
Reminds me of the old Baptist preacher that always got around to Baptism. The title of his sermon one Sunday was “The Feeding of the Five Thousand.” He observed, “after eating all of that food they must have worked up a powerful thirst. I'm sure they wanted a drink of water.
Speaking of water – that brings me to my next point. BAPTISM.”Quote (SEEKING @ Feb. 27 2009,10:09) nick wrote:[/quote]
Nick said –Quote Hi S,
You love calling folk liars and deceivers and manipulators so I hope it does not draw judgement to you.Wrong Nick, just you because it is what you do. Numerous of us now know and have identified you for what you are. Repentance is your solution. I anticipate no judgement as my charge is Eph 5:11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
The rest of this garble I don't even follow:
Quote You say
“Confession is not a part of a 'New Gospel” as you infer. Rather it is a part of “THEE” gospel, is it not.”Interesting NEW GOSPEL
Gal1
6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Are you saying confession of Jesus is not a part of the gospel response. Is your version what I asked?
I submit to you public confession is far beyond “mental assent.” Confession is not a part of a 'New Gospel” as you infer. Rather it is a part of “THEE” gospel, is it not.
Or do we just need to get wet? No repentance, no faith, no confession? In fact, Baptism to the first century Christain was a public confession they were renouncing Judiasm and accepting Christ according to historical accounts.Is repentance unnecessary too? How about receiving the word – not necessary? Believing – unnecessary?
I'm outta here!
Hi S,
But I have a God who judges me?
Would you like the job?Is ACCEPTING CHRIST another new way?
Many call LORD LORD but obedience to his commands makes us servants.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2009,16:35)
Nick said –Quote Hi S,
But I have a God who judges me?
Would you like the job?Like it or not, He gave it to us – 1Co 5:12-13 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
Or are you not in the church?
Nick asks –
Quote Is ACCEPTING CHRIST another new way? Do you not accept Him?
Hi S,
So you have judged me.
Those that do come under inspection.
Matthew 7:1
Judge not, that ye be not judged.Luke 6:37
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:Romans 14:13
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.What does ACCEPTING CHRIST mean to you?
Hi S,
You say
“Or are you not in the church?”You seem more than willing to judge servants as sinners putting yourself above them but cannot judge this?
Thinker said:
Quote My problem with what you say above is that it is contrary to human experience. Seeking replied:
Quote This is contrary to human experience – Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Seeking,
I was talking about your belief that God always feeds everyone. This is simply not true.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2009,17:30)
Nick wrote –Quote Hi S,
So you have judged me.
Those that do come under inspection.
Matthew 7:1
Judge not, that ye be not judged.Luke 6:37
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:Romans 14:13
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.You miss apply all the passages thinking you gain an advantage and totally ignore the ones you don't like.
Again –1Co 5:12-13 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
Or are you not in the church?
One scripture you reference is Mt.7:1 a very interesting context follows and instruction for right judgement is shared.
Then it talks about making some judgements as follows –Mat 7:15-16 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Your fruit has been exposed. The word would encourage you to receive what comes from the mouth of two or three witnesses. But the word also says that God must work on the heart, not man.
Now we are off on your non-responsive ask questions trip.
You asked –
Quote Is ACCEPTING CHRIST another new way? I responded –
Quote Do you not accept Him? You reply –
Quote What does ACCEPTING CHRIST mean to you? Again, I will query –
Quote Do you not accept Him? Seeking said to Nick:
Quote Don't dodge your lies with rhetoric. I don't need your instruction, I ask that you stop the lies. Seeking,
Nick's lying is just what he does when he cannot win an argument.thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2009,17:47) Hi S,
You say
“Or are you not in the church?”You seem more than willing to judge servants as sinners putting yourself above them but cannot judge this?
Your behavior makes the discernment difficult for if you were in the church you would know that brother and sisters “judge” each other as Paul pointed out. You would also have the maturity to realize such judging is NOT “putting yourself above them.Your fruit is not consistent with one in the church. Your in favor of “sound doctrine”, it seems, but I recall – 1Ti 1:10-11 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.
I choose to give you the benefit of the doubt and treat you as if in the church. I'll be in prayer as talk is not working
Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 26 2009,17:56) Seeking, I was talking about your belief that God always feeds everyone. This is simply not true.
thinker
Did I say that was my belief? I thought I said things like this –Nick,
Sparrows being birds of the air, we have this encouragement too:
Mat 6:26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
Luk 12:24 Consider the ravens: they neither sow nor reap, they have neither storehouse nor barn, and yet God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds!
Thank you for the assurance we have from the birds that God cares for us even more.
Blessings,
Seeking
The problem arises when we won't accept His balance.
He promised persecution as well as prosperity. And even discipline so that we might growI believe Gods promises are for me as an heir. Does that mean I won't run into the dresser on the way to the bathroom tonight?
These statements add up to we have to be ready to receive the good along with the bad. But, “always feeds everyone.” I don't think so. I find dead birds on my property all the time.
Disease? I don't know. I would not attribute it to a lack of God's care, however.Blessing to you,
Seeking
The teaching of the sparrow is a clearly a teaching about faith and that whatever God gives you whether you think it is bad or good is for the best. I assure that sparrows do fall from the sky and grasshoppers do starve but in the end God’s purpose is for the best. Jesus is not telling us not to harvest and prepare for the future but rather not to lack faith and worry about what tomorrow will bring for whether we perceive it as good or bad it is for the best in the long run. There is a prayer that sums it up.
Reinhold Niebuhr is sometimes credited with writing:
Quote God grant me the serenity
To accept the things I cannot change;
Courage to change the things I can;
And wisdom to know the difference.
Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
As it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right
If I surrender to His Will;
So that I may be reasonably happy in this life
And supremely happy with Him
Forever and ever in the next.Does anyone really have reason to bicker about this issue as I am unsure there is a really a disagreement.
Quote (SEEKING @ Feb. 27 2009,13:50) Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 26 2009,17:56) Seeking, I was talking about your belief that God always feeds everyone. This is simply not true.
thinker
Did I say that was my belief? I thought I said things like this –Nick,
Sparrows being birds of the air, we have this encouragement too:
Mat 6:26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
Luk 12:24 Consider the ravens: they neither sow nor reap, they have neither storehouse nor barn, and yet God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds!
Thank you for the assurance we have from the birds that God cares for us even more.
Blessings,
Seeking
The problem arises when we won't accept His balance.
He promised persecution as well as prosperity. And even discipline so that we might growI believe Gods promises are for me as an heir. Does that mean I won't run into the dresser on the way to the bathroom tonight?
These statements add up to we have to be ready to receive the good along with the bad. But, “always feeds everyone.” I don't think so. I find dead birds on my property all the time.
Disease? I don't know. I would not attribute it to a lack of God's care, however.Blessing to you,
Seeking
Hey Seeking,
We're in full agreement. Sorry I misread you.thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 27 2009,08:49) Quote (SEEKING @ Feb. 27 2009,13:50) Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 26 2009,17:56) Seeking, I was talking about your belief that God always feeds everyone. This is simply not true.
thinker
Did I say that was my belief? I thought I said things like this –Nick,
Sparrows being birds of the air, we have this encouragement too:
Mat 6:26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
Luk 12:24 Consider the ravens: they neither sow nor reap, they have neither storehouse nor barn, and yet God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds!
Thank you for the assurance we have from the birds that God cares for us even more.
Blessings,
Seeking
The problem arises when we won't accept His balance.
He promised persecution as well as prosperity. And even discipline so that we might growI believe Gods promises are for me as an heir. Does that mean I won't run into the dresser on the way to the bathroom tonight?
These statements add up to we have to be ready to receive the good along with the bad. But, “always feeds everyone.” I don't think so. I find dead birds on my property all the time.
Disease? I don't know. I would not attribute it to a lack of God's care, however.Blessing to you,
Seeking
Hey Seeking,
We're in full agreement. Sorry I misread you.thinker
As they say on the CB circuit, “10-4 good buddy.”
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