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Hi,
Life and death of all things is known by God.
Amazing.Matthew 10:29
” Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father.Matthew 10:31
“So do not fear; you are more valuable than many sparrows.Luke 12:6
“Are not five sparrows sold for two cents? Yet not one of them is forgotten before God.Luke 12:7
” Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Do not fear; you are more valuable than many sparrows.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 11 2009,19:46) Hi,
Life and death of all things is known by God.
Amazing.Matthew 10:29
” Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father.Matthew 10:31
“So do not fear; you are more valuable than many sparrows.Luke 12:6
“Are not five sparrows sold for two cents? Yet not one of them is forgotten before God.Luke 12:7
” Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Do not fear; you are more valuable than many sparrows.
Nick,Sparrows being birds of the air, we have this encouragement too:
Mat 6:26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
Luk 12:24 Consider the ravens: they neither sow nor reap, they have neither storehouse nor barn, and yet God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds!
Thank you for the assurance we have from the birds that God cares for us even more.
Blessings,
Seeking
Hi,
Do sparrows know the voice of God?You betcha.
He shows them where food is to be found.Only men have become deaf
It is an encouraging passage. God has a plan for us and all He desires is the we strive to do all He commands and even with that He will do the heavy lifting.
Seeking said:
Quote Sparrows being birds of the air, we have this encouragement too: Seeking,
I have a good deal of respect for you. Please don't buy into Nick's crap. He says that salvation is conditional upon being baptized and then turns around and says that God will feed and clothe us unconditionally. God will damn us if we're not baptized but will feed us?Jesus' promise to His disciples to feed them was conditional upon their works,
Quote Take heed that you do not your chartitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise, you have no reward from your Father in heaven (Matt. 6:1) If Nick's interpretation is correct, then he must explain why predators kill the sparrows that he thinks are under God's protection. Nick's interpretations are the result of his romantic views of God. Nick's views are contrary to every day experience.
Again, Nick thinks that the sparrow is kept. But if you're not baptized you're in for big trouble.
thinker
Hi tt,
Is life now all you hope for?
He sends His rain on the good and wicked alike.
His expressed kindness to all gives nobody any excusesHi TT,
Must you be baptised in water to be saved?
No you can hope for limited the mercy of God expressed in the sheep and goat judgement.Love covers many sins and mercy triumphs over judgement
But it is better to have already passed from death to life and not have to nervously face it.[jn5, heb4]Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 26 2009,09:58) . Please don't buy into Nick's crap. He says that salvation is conditional upon being baptized and then turns around and says that God will feed and clothe us unconditionally. God will damn us if we're not baptized but will feed us? Jesus' promise to His disciples to feed them was conditional upon their works,
Thinker,My take on the sparrows analogy by Jesus was that we can count on the Father to have equal care for us. That care does seem conditional from other passages quoting Jesus on the matter of loving care. Jesus said, “Seek ye first and all these things will be added.
As you pointed out, Jesus said feeding was “conditional.”
Nick makes the point, according to his understanding, salvation is “conditional” upon baptism. The context of the
sparrows being our assurance of care also spells out the condition for us – Mat 10:32-33 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.Paul tied confession to salvation also, Rom 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Conditional salvation is endless. Without listing them, I will cite the content of just some of the passages people use to determine that you are or are not saved. Of course, they are savedyou are not.
Any of these ring a bell – must be baptized, must confess Jesus as Lord, must believe in your heart, must speak in tongues, must assemble, must tithe, must keep the sabbath, must witness, must be Trinitarian, can't be Trinitarian.
Truly, it is by grace – that unmerited favor of God – through faith that we are saved. God loves us so much He is trying to get us into heaven. So called “Christians” who claim to love us are telling us why we will be left out. And they say, “Have I got good news for you!”
Want proof? Stay tuned to HEAVEN.NET. See if you get a greater taste of love or judgement of one another.
Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Seeking
P.S. Someone may find the need to point out that demons believe. Yes, and they shudder. My belief (faith) arouses confidence in Him who saved me – no shuddering. BIG DIFFERENCE!
Hi S,
To whom was the book of Romans written?Rom1
7To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.If it is written to these who are already called how can you offer Romans 10 as a new way of salvation?
Nick said:
Quote Love covers many sins and mercy triumphs over judgement But if you're not baptized love covers nothing. Right Nick?
thinker
Hi TT,
Nonsense.
Mercy in the Judgement is towards those who did not find the way but showed love, even a cup of water, to the brothers.
Mt25Seeking said:
Quote My take on the sparrows analogy by Jesus was that we can count on the Father to have equal care for us. That care does seem conditional from other passages quoting Jesus on the matter of loving care. Jesus said, “Seek ye first and all these things will be added. Seeking,
My problem with what you say above is that it is contrary to human experience. The Scripture says that Job was a perfect and upright man. Yet he lost everything he had (though he did receive it all back plus more). Missionaries through out the history of the church and even in our time have starved on account of the gospel. Some of God's obedient people starve. Then there is Foxe's Book of Martyrs.Jesus' promise was made to Jews. He said,
Quote I was sent not but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel Jesus was speaking to His own sheep, that is, Israelites. He was not speaking to us. And to project His promise to us results in people like Mandy saying, “Why isn't God looking out for me”? But God hasn't promised Mandy or you or me anything but eternal life which ought to be good enough.
thinker
Hi TT,
We are to be made one with IsraelRom11
14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2009,07:15) Hi TT,
We are to be made one with IsraelRom11
14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
The paassages you cited refer to salvation according to what I am saying. Christians today have only the promise of salvation which ought to be enough. Missionaries starve all the time Nick. You're not living in the real world. This is why you can't relate to people on this board. You're not living in the real world.thinker
Hi TT,
Our hope is not in the now.
Satan is the accuser of the brethren and can make our lives miserable.Luke 22:31
“Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded permission to sift you like wheat;Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2009,12:37) Hi S,
To whom was the book of Romans written?Rom1
7To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.If it is written to these who are already called how can you offer Romans 10 as a new way of salvation?
Don't startwith your manipulation, lies, and word twisting. I told you I won't play that game with you!Here is what I said, Paul tied confession to salvation also, Rom 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
In fact, I interjected nothing so do not lie, misrepresent me,
and decieve. This statement reflects your bias and need to prove wrong even to the point of distorting what was said.Nick said:
Quote how can you offer Romans 10 as a new way of salvation? No where in the entire post did I speak of a “new way of salvation.”
Seeking
Hi S,
The letter was written to Jewish converts tempted to try to go backwards to Judaism and Paul urged them to instead let the Spirit they had already tasted have rule in them through confession unto salvation.But men instead falsely offer these verses to the unsaved suggesting that only mental assent is required for salvation and not what was demonstrated constantly in the book of Acts.
You must be reborn of water and the Spirit.
But few choose the way and many try to save themselves which is impossible
thethinker,Feb. wrote:[/quote]
Thinker said:Quote My problem with what you say above is that it is contrary to human experience. This is contrary to human experience –
Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Rom 5:6-8 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person–though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die– but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
But, there, you are willing to claim something contrary to human experience and bank eternity on it.
Thinker said:
Quote Jesus was speaking to His own sheep, I am one of His sheep. I believe YOU are to as well as Mandy
and many others. We are simply of another fold.Joh 10:15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.Many of the promises are for ALL His sheep. The problem arises when we won't accept His balance. He promised persecution as well as prosperity. And even discipline so that we might grow but made these straightforward and honest statements about discipline –
Heb 12:11 For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
My experience is I always welcome his blessings and accept as true – Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. I also acknowledge that I did not earn, deserve, or merit them. I acknowlege too that I cry foul and don't agree with or understand His ways at other times when life deals me a less than winning hand.
It is good to be an heir –
Gal 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
Eph 3:6 This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promisein Christ Jesus through the gospel.
Tit 3:7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
I believe Gods promises are for me as an heir. Does that mean I won't run into the dresser on the way to the bathroom tonight? Probably not!
Thinker said –
Quote Missionaries through out the history of the church and even in our time have starved on account of the gospel. They also witnessed many acccept the Lord because of the PROMISE. They go because of the promise and in spite of the potential for starvation.
Seeking
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