Some standing here

[bodhitharta]

I noticed everyone ran from the truth when it was clearly presented but I will present this again for it is The Will of God that I do so.

Matthew 16:27-28 (King James Version)

27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Luke 9:26-28 (King James Version)

26For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

27But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Now combine that with these:

Matthew 24:33-35 (King James Version)

33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled

Luke 21:31-33 (New King James Version)
31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

Now what things were to occur?

3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all[a]these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[c] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.
26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it[d] is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place

all These things did not happen and that generation did pass and none that were standing there are alive today either but Jesus said one more important thing.

Matthew 24 (New King James Version)

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven,[e] but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Reading this it should be clear to the reader that Jesus simply could not have been God. Jesus was The Christ and a prophet who was a bit presumptuous when he made this prophecy.

But God says:

Isaiah 42:18-20 (King James Version)

18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.

19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD's servant?

Jesus did not know and therefore was not God. He also did not know that God was going to save him from the cross and death.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Compare Jn 5.24

He was speaking of those who HAVE PASSED from death to life.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2009,14:19)

Hi BD, Compare Jn 5.24 He was speaking of those who HAVE PASSED from death to life.

John 5:24 (King James Version)

24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Nick, did you read that Jesus said some standing here would not taste death?

Hebrews 9:26-28 (King James Version)

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

In other words they would have still had to die just like you say Jesus died.

You will see something great in this thread because any scripture anyone chooses to use will further prove this truth that I give to you today. This thread was started by The Will of God to teach His children(those who say with their lips that they love Him)

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Indeed the washed brothers of Jesus were with him.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2009,14:50)

Hi BD, Indeed the washed brothers of Jesus were with him.

Stick to the context of the thread. You will have no choice other than to see, Please proceed!

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Did you lose the thread?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2009,17:48)

Hi BD, Did you lose the thread?

That generation has long since passed and nothing occured, you tell everyone here to stick to what's written and now you won't stick to what's written if you don't have an explanation it would be more honest and God fearing to simply say Yyou don't know.

That generation has long sinced passed away. Jesus thought he would return in his own generation.

Thinker claim that Jesus returned in AD 70 but that would make no sense because if that was true he would have had to do it secretly because no one has written about Jesus coming in the clouds with the Holy Angels and Judging each man according to his works. I think somebody would have seen something and the world wouldn't quite be like this now would it?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
So Jesus thought wrong you think?
He was never divinely inspired you think?
Your biased ideas are from your master it seems

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
So now your true agenda surfaces.
You say

” Jesus was The Christ and a prophet who was a bit presumptuous when he made this prophecy.”
” Jesus thought he would return in his own generation”

Your attack of the Saviour Jesus Christ begins.
You are following the will of your god.

Never having dared to try to discredit the words of the prophets you now attack the Son of God.

You attack the ANOINTING SPIRIT of CHRIST JESUS

What was that unforgiveable sin again?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2009,06:23)

Hi BD, So Jesus thought wrong you think? He was never divinely inspired you think? Your biased ideas are from your master it seems

Did Jesus wrongly believe that there should be figs on the fig tree he cursed? Yes or No?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2009,07:42)

Hi BD, So now your true agenda surfaces. You say ” Jesus was The Christ and a prophet who was a bit presumptuous when he made this prophecy.” ”  Jesus thought he would return in his own generation” Your attack of the Saviour Jesus Christ begins. You are following the will of your god. Never having dared to try to discredit the words of the prophets you now attack the Son of God. You attack the ANOINTING SPIRIT of  CHRIST JESUS What was that unforgiveable sin again?

Luke 12

10 “And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven.

Mark 3:28-30 (New King James Version)

28 “Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”— 30 because they said, “He has an unclean spirit.”

This proves several things and not just to you Nick but to those who believe in the trinity it should be clear that this scriptures states that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not the same, nor are they equal as a person can say things regarding Jesus that he would not be forgiven for regarding the Holy Spirit.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Attack the expression of anointing of the Spirit of God in Jesus and you attack God.
Why would you try?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2009,10:33)

Hi BD, Attack the expression of anointing of the Spirit of God in Jesus and you attack God. Why would you try?

You are deluded. However , I forgive you and may God bless you.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Paul was blinded and thrown from his horse for persecuting Jesus.
He came to his senses pretty smartly.

I hope God has mercy on you and calls you to repentance.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2009,14:03)

Hi BD, Paul was blinded and thrown from his horse for persecuting Jesus. He came to his senses pretty smartly. I hope God has mercy on you and calls you to repentance.

Why not all those persecuting Jesus?

I have already repented and continue to do so but you believe “just believe in Jesus and do anything you like it's all on Jesus now”

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
You would not have to keep grovelling before your god if you knew the freedom in Jesus.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 09 2009,22:25)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2009,14:19) Hi BD, Compare Jn 5.24 He was speaking of those who HAVE PASSED from death to life. John 5:24 (King James Version) 24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Nick, did you read that Jesus said some standing here would not taste death? Hebrews 9:26-28 (King James Version) 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: In other words they would have still had to die just like you say Jesus died. You will see something great in this thread because any scripture anyone chooses to use will further prove this truth that I give to you today. This thread was started by The Will of God to teach His children(those who say with their lips that they love Him)

Hi BD

I have already shown you that Enoch and Elijah did not taste of death.

But, you deny the possibility that Jesus words were true and that some that were standing there may have not tasted of a physical death but went with Jesus like Enoch who was not for God took him.

Here is a secret for you BD.

If a different possibility lies with a scripture then that scripture is ambiguous.

Therefore your assumptions about Jesus statements are not unambiguous which means you have proved nothing!

Why do you not have any faith in Jesus to be able to do what he says?

Is it because he is not your Saviour or your Prophet or that his Father is not your Father?

It seems you have more faith in another god and another prophet and another bible!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 10 2009,18:15)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2009,07:42) Hi BD, So now your true agenda surfaces. You say ” Jesus was The Christ and a prophet who was a bit presumptuous when he made this prophecy.” ”  Jesus thought he would return in his own generation” Your attack of the Saviour Jesus Christ begins. You are following the will of your god. Never having dared to try to discredit the words of the prophets you now attack the Son of God. You attack the ANOINTING SPIRIT of  CHRIST JESUS What was that unforgiveable sin again? Luke 12 10 “And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven. Mark 3:28-30 (New King James Version)   28 “Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”— 30 because they said, “He has an unclean spirit.” This proves several things and not just to you Nick but to those who believe in the trinity it should be clear that this scriptures states that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not the same, nor are they equal as a person can say things regarding Jesus that he would not be forgiven for regarding the Holy Spirit.

Hi BD

It is the Spirit that reveals the hidden things of God.

If men will let the Spirit open their eyes then they will see the reason Jesus made this statement is because it is the Spirit that brings us to him and without the Holy Spirit it is impossible to come to the Father or Jesus.

However, the Spirit of God will not always strive with men.

Now please listen real close BD for the following scriptures destroys the anti-trinitarian view.

But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, “the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I WILL SEND HIM TO YOU“. John 16:7

Here we see Jesus sending the Holy Spirit!

Well as an anti-trinitarian that believes the Holy Spirit is the personal Spirit of the Father, John 16:7 creates a real conundrum, for one would have to ask himself “did Jesus send the Father?

Or better than that is Gods personal Spirit subservient to Jesus?

Jn 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Can’t be the Father…

[bodhitharta]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 11 2009,16:29)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 09 2009,22:25) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2009,14:19) Hi BD, Compare Jn 5.24 He was speaking of those who HAVE PASSED from death to life. John 5:24 (King James Version) 24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Nick, did you read that Jesus said some standing here would not taste death? Hebrews 9:26-28 (King James Version) 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: In other words they would have still had to die just like you say Jesus died. You will see something great in this thread because any scripture anyone chooses to use will further prove this truth that I give to you today. This thread was started by The Will of God to teach His children(those who say with their lips that they love Him) Hi BD I have already shown you that Enoch and Elijah did not taste of death. But, you deny the possibility that Jesus words were true and that some that were standing there may have not tasted of a physical death but went with Jesus like Enoch who was not for God took him. Here is a secret for you BD. If a different possibility lies with a scripture then that scripture is ambiguous. Therefore your assumptions about Jesus statements are not unambiguous which means you have proved nothing! Why do you not have any faith in Jesus to be able to do what he says? Is it because he is not your Saviour or your Prophet or that his Father is not your Father? It seems you have more faith in another god and another prophet and another bible! WJ

So Enoch and Elijah went to heaven regardless of Jesus?

Who went with Jesus and why didn't the Prophecy come true regardless of who went with Jesus?

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Indeed Jesus is the source for us of the Spirit of God.
God poured of His Spirit into him and he offers us the fountain of life.
The reason that we can know God by the Spirit as in 1 cor 2 is that the Spirit is of God.

Not some other person.
No more than your spirit is another person.

Now for us that Spirit in Jesus brings to life the verse
“the Lord is the Spirit'

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