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Its a curious thing really, with all the talk of strict adherence to the laws of Moses, when did God actually tell them to stop following the law that he supposedly set up?
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 18 2012,03:43) Its a curious thing really, with all the talk of strict adherence to the laws of Moses, when did God actually tell them to stop following the law that he supposedly set up? Colter
Colter.This is all about undertanding Gods will.
Jesus did not come to abolish the law,but to fulfil.
He made the law more honerable; it is now written in our hearts; not in stone.
We dont sin because we love our God.not because of the law.
The simplified law; Love your neighbour as your self.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 18 2012,14:36) Quote (Colter @ July 18 2012,03:43) Its a curious thing really, with all the talk of strict adherence to the laws of Moses, when did God actually tell them to stop following the law that he supposedly set up? Colter
Colter.This is all about undertanding Gods will.
Jesus did not come to abolish the law,but to fulfil.
He made the law more honerable; it is now written in our hearts; not in stone.
We dont sin because we love our God.not because of the law.
The simplified law; Love your neighbour as your self.wakeup.
Is your Name Obama? What a complete dodge of the question!I'm asking about Judaism, why don't the Jews practice the laws now?
I know that Jesus didn't abolish the Law, he was not a reformer of Judaism, he had his own religion quite apart from Judaism.
Colter
The Jews were dispersed around the world as you know.
They likely lost their law when they obeyed whatever law they were under.
Likewise, when the Israelites were captive in Egypt, they adopted their gods.
They made a golden calf idol when Moses went to talk to YHWH.Quote (Colter @ July 18 2012,21:39) Quote (Wakeup @ July 18 2012,14:36) Quote (Colter @ July 18 2012,03:43) Its a curious thing really, with all the talk of strict adherence to the laws of Moses, when did God actually tell them to stop following the law that he supposedly set up? Colter
Colter.This is all about undertanding Gods will.
Jesus did not come to abolish the law,but to fulfil.
He made the law more honerable; it is now written in our hearts; not in stone.
We dont sin because we love our God.not because of the law.
The simplified law; Love your neighbour as your self.wakeup.
Is your Name Obama? What a complete dodge of the question!I'm asking about Judaism, why don't the Jews practice the laws now?
I know that Jesus didn't abolish the Law, he was not a reformer of Judaism, he had his own religion quite apart from Judaism.
Colter
Colter.Jesus came to earth for his children israel:
He came to improve the existing law;not to change it.
To make it more honourable.But they refuse to understand.Why dont the jews practise the laws now?
There are many different sects in the jewish religion today.
some do practice the old law, and some just mildly,and most follow the gentiles way of living.wakeup.
I see there was know definitive event or instruction by God to the Jews to stop practising the Law, the barbaric and primitive nature of the law just naturally fell out of favour like it did other civilizations that had such requirements. It never was the will of the Father fro people to stone their brothers and sisters to death for minor traffic violations.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 21 2012,07:48) I see there was know definitive event or instruction by God to the Jews to stop practising the Law, the barbaric and primitive nature of the law just naturally fell out of favour like it did other civilizations that had such requirements. It never was the will of the Father fro people to stone their brothers and sisters to death for minor traffic violations. Colter
Colter.The laws of all the nations: are they not BASED on the 10 commandments? Thy shalt not kill,thy shalt not steal,thy shalt not commit adultery,honour your mother and your father?—-
Can you imagine a world without the 10 commandments?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 22 2012,07:38) Quote (Colter @ July 21 2012,07:48) I see there was know definitive event or instruction by God to the Jews to stop practising the Law, the barbaric and primitive nature of the law just naturally fell out of favour like it did other civilizations that had such requirements. It never was the will of the Father fro people to stone their brothers and sisters to death for minor traffic violations. Colter
Colter.The laws of all the nations: are they not BASED on the 10 commandments? Thy shalt not kill,thy shalt not steal,thy shalt not commit adultery,honour your mother and your father?—-
Can you imagine a world without the 10 commandments?
wakeup.
The Leviticus Laws are what I'm referring to, the 10 commandments were expanded from the 7 commandments of the Salem colony of Melchizedek.Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,09:00) Quote (Wakeup @ July 22 2012,07:38) Quote (Colter @ July 21 2012,07:48) I see there was know definitive event or instruction by God to the Jews to stop practising the Law, the barbaric and primitive nature of the law just naturally fell out of favour like it did other civilizations that had such requirements. It never was the will of the Father fro people to stone their brothers and sisters to death for minor traffic violations. Colter
Colter.The laws of all the nations: are they not BASED on the 10 commandments? Thy shalt not kill,thy shalt not steal,thy shalt not commit adultery,honour your mother and your father?—-
Can you imagine a world without the 10 commandments?
wakeup.
The Leviticus Laws are what I'm referring to, the 10 commandments were expanded from the 7 commandments of the Salem colony of Melchizedek.Colter
Colter.You seem to disagree with the liviticus rules and regulations of a new people that God is trying to preserve,from the leaven of the gentiles.
You dont seem to understand that God had to be very,very strict to make it work; but they still went astray.
Those rules are there to create a new tradidion, different from the gentiles.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 22 2012,09:35) Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,09:00) Quote (Wakeup @ July 22 2012,07:38) Quote (Colter @ July 21 2012,07:48) I see there was know definitive event or instruction by God to the Jews to stop practising the Law, the barbaric and primitive nature of the law just naturally fell out of favour like it did other civilizations that had such requirements. It never was the will of the Father fro people to stone their brothers and sisters to death for minor traffic violations. Colter
Colter.The laws of all the nations: are they not BASED on the 10 commandments? Thy shalt not kill,thy shalt not steal,thy shalt not commit adultery,honour your mother and your father?—-
Can you imagine a world without the 10 commandments?
wakeup.
The Leviticus Laws are what I'm referring to, the 10 commandments were expanded from the 7 commandments of the Salem colony of Melchizedek.Colter
Colter.You seem to disagree with the liviticus rules and regulations of a new people that God is trying to preserve,from the leaven of the gentiles.
You dont seem to understand that God had to be very,very strict to make it work; but they still went astray.
Those rules are there to create a new tradidion, different from the gentiles.wakeup.
When did Judaism stop following the Liviticus laws and why?When did God tell them to stop?
When did God tell them to stop?
and, when did God tell them to stop?Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 24 2012,08:11) Quote (Wakeup @ July 22 2012,09:35) Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,09:00) Quote (Wakeup @ July 22 2012,07:38) Quote (Colter @ July 21 2012,07:48) I see there was know definitive event or instruction by God to the Jews to stop practising the Law, the barbaric and primitive nature of the law just naturally fell out of favour like it did other civilizations that had such requirements. It never was the will of the Father fro people to stone their brothers and sisters to death for minor traffic violations. Colter
Colter.The laws of all the nations: are they not BASED on the 10 commandments? Thy shalt not kill,thy shalt not steal,thy shalt not commit adultery,honour your mother and your father?—-
Can you imagine a world without the 10 commandments?
wakeup.
The Leviticus Laws are what I'm referring to, the 10 commandments were expanded from the 7 commandments of the Salem colony of Melchizedek.Colter
Colter.You seem to disagree with the liviticus rules and regulations of a new people that God is trying to preserve,from the leaven of the gentiles.
You dont seem to understand that God had to be very,very strict to make it work; but they still went astray.
Those rules are there to create a new tradidion, different from the gentiles.wakeup.
When did Judaism stop following the Liviticus laws and why?When did God tell them to stop?
When did God tell them to stop?
and, when did God tell them to stop?Colter
Colter.? When did God tell them to stop?
God never told them to stop,but to follow the laws given.
But they defaulted,worshipping other gods.Then God sends Nebuchadnezzar to punish them and they were scatered through all the eath,but some are taken to babylon. Then came Jesus to restore the law,the new covenant.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,08:25) Quote (Colter @ July 24 2012,08:11) Quote (Wakeup @ July 22 2012,09:35) Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,09:00) Quote (Wakeup @ July 22 2012,07:38) Quote (Colter @ July 21 2012,07:48) I see there was know definitive event or instruction by God to the Jews to stop practising the Law, the barbaric and primitive nature of the law just naturally fell out of favour like it did other civilizations that had such requirements. It never was the will of the Father fro people to stone their brothers and sisters to death for minor traffic violations. Colter
Colter.The laws of all the nations: are they not BASED on the 10 commandments? Thy shalt not kill,thy shalt not steal,thy shalt not commit adultery,honour your mother and your father?—-
Can you imagine a world without the 10 commandments?
wakeup.
The Leviticus Laws are what I'm referring to, the 10 commandments were expanded from the 7 commandments of the Salem colony of Melchizedek.Colter
Colter.You seem to disagree with the liviticus rules and regulations of a new people that God is trying to preserve,from the leaven of the gentiles.
You dont seem to understand that God had to be very,very strict to make it work; but they still went astray.
Those rules are there to create a new tradidion, different from the gentiles.wakeup.
When did Judaism stop following the Liviticus laws and why?When did God tell them to stop?
When did God tell them to stop?
and, when did God tell them to stop?Colter
Colter.? When did God tell them to stop?
God never told them to stop,but to follow the laws given.
But they defaulted,worshipping other gods.Then God sends Nebuchadnezzar to punish them and they were scatered through all the eath,but some are taken to babylon. Then came Jesus to restore the law,the new covenant.
wakeup.
errrrm, Jesus came to restore the Law?
We don't stone people to death anymore using chauvinistic laws.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 24 2012,10:47) Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,08:25) Quote (Colter @ July 24 2012,08:11) Quote (Wakeup @ July 22 2012,09:35) Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,09:00) Quote (Wakeup @ July 22 2012,07:38) Quote (Colter @ July 21 2012,07:48) I see there was know definitive event or instruction by God to the Jews to stop practising the Law, the barbaric and primitive nature of the law just naturally fell out of favour like it did other civilizations that had such requirements. It never was the will of the Father fro people to stone their brothers and sisters to death for minor traffic violations. Colter
Colter.The laws of all the nations: are they not BASED on the 10 commandments? Thy shalt not kill,thy shalt not steal,thy shalt not commit adultery,honour your mother and your father?—-
Can you imagine a world without the 10 commandments?
wakeup.
The Leviticus Laws are what I'm referring to, the 10 commandments were expanded from the 7 commandments of the Salem colony of Melchizedek.Colter
Colter.You seem to disagree with the liviticus rules and regulations of a new people that God is trying to preserve,from the leaven of the gentiles.
You dont seem to understand that God had to be very,very strict to make it work; but they still went astray.
Those rules are there to create a new tradidion, different from the gentiles.wakeup.
When did Judaism stop following the Liviticus laws and why?When did God tell them to stop?
When did God tell them to stop?
and, when did God tell them to stop?Colter
Colter.? When did God tell them to stop?
God never told them to stop,but to follow the laws given.
But they defaulted,worshipping other gods.Then God sends Nebuchadnezzar to punish them and they were scatered through all the eath,but some are taken to babylon. Then came Jesus to restore the law,the new covenant.
wakeup.
errrrm, Jesus came to restore the Law?We don't stone people to death anymore using chauvinistic laws.
Colter
Of course not now Colter; that was for the building of a new poeple that is so stubborn.
strict laws need to be applied.wakeup.
Quote (Colter @ July 24 2012,15:11) Quote (Wakeup @ July 22 2012,09:35) Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,09:00) Quote (Wakeup @ July 22 2012,07:38) Quote (Colter @ July 21 2012,07:48) I see there was know definitive event or instruction by God to the Jews to stop practising the Law, the barbaric and primitive nature of the law just naturally fell out of favour like it did other civilizations that had such requirements. It never was the will of the Father fro people to stone their brothers and sisters to death for minor traffic violations. Colter
Colter.The laws of all the nations: are they not BASED on the 10 commandments? Thy shalt not kill,thy shalt not steal,thy shalt not commit adultery,honour your mother and your father?—-
Can you imagine a world without the 10 commandments?
wakeup.
The Leviticus Laws are what I'm referring to, the 10 commandments were expanded from the 7 commandments of the Salem colony of Melchizedek.Colter
Colter.You seem to disagree with the liviticus rules and regulations of a new people that God is trying to preserve,from the leaven of the gentiles.
You dont seem to understand that God had to be very,very strict to make it work; but they still went astray.
Those rules are there to create a new tradidion, different from the gentiles.wakeup.
When did Judaism stop following the Liviticus laws and why?When did God tell them to stop?
When did God tell them to stop?
and, when did God tell them to stop?Colter
colterGod stopped them in 70 AD no temple no true worship according to the law ,
Quote (Colter @ July 18 2012,03:43) Its a curious thing really, with all the talk of strict adherence to the laws of Moses, when did God actually tell them to stop following the law that he supposedly set up? Colter
Hi Colter:I do not believe that God told them not to obey the Law. What he did say is the following:
Quote Jer 31:31 ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
And this New Covenant is:
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.Quote Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Quote Rom 13:8 ¶ Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.
Under this covenant, judgment will be delayed until the end:
Quote Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.Quote Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Hbr 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Hbr 10:31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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