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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2011,22:33) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 14 2011,22:00) Hi T, Who taught men to go to war and kill other people in order to take from them what is rightfully theirs?
Tim
Hi Tim,Who gets to decide what is rightful? …you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edj,Why does God give permission to take another's property or life? When it is fully know that one is not to steal or to murder. Why would a people that are protected and loved by God need anything from anyone else?
And should we dare touch base with what the women and children fates were when a tribe was overtaken by God people?
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
Such Jewish thought involved with this, to stay righteous have another do the dirty work, and then give the glory to God.
What was the deciding factor in this, that other tribes would not be breed with Gods people or not to have they faith of these tribes be intertwined with Gods people, so sad, in the long run, that is exactly what happened. So all the children, women and men's blood spilled was for naught?
Perhaps in passing thought Christians or familiar faiths feel this type of ritual or practice should be re-established? Muslims are a bit ahead of the game are they not?
Hi Princess,
Should we turn away from capital punishment; is this your message?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (princess @ Nov. 20 2011,23:33) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2011,22:33) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 14 2011,22:00) Hi T, Who taught men to go to war and kill other people in order to take from them what is rightfully theirs?
Tim
Hi Tim,Who gets to decide what is rightful? …you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edj,Why does God give permission to take another's property or life? When it is fully know that one is not to steal or to murder. Why would a people that are protected and loved by God need anything from anyone else?
And should we dare touch base with what the women and children fates were when a tribe was overtaken by God people?
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
Such Jewish thought involved with this, to stay righteous have another do the dirty work, and then give the glory to God.
What was the deciding factor in this, that other tribes would not be breed with Gods people or not to have they faith of these tribes be intertwined with Gods people, so sad, in the long run, that is exactly what happened. So all the children, women and men's blood spilled was for naught?
Perhaps in passing thought Christians or familiar faiths feel this type of ritual or practice should be re-established? Muslims are a bit ahead of the game are they not?
Hi Princess,As I told Tim, a point which you probably missed is, YHVH was
going to drive the people off of the promised land with hornets.
It was rebellion against God that got God's peoples hands dirty.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Nov. 18 2011,10:22) Quote (charity @ Nov. 18 2011,02:00) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 17 2011,08:09) Quote (charity @ Nov. 17 2011,04:30) do you think Mose's felt guilty when he stopped to think about abraham's promise, relies as many as the stars in the heavens, wow what stands out a mile ..is Moses blamed the solder's for killing there brother's on his command.. He brakes the 6th commandment an goeth on to dish up loads of death sentences for sin…sin on the brain!
Jesus killing was a breach of the sixth commandment, an active of sacrifice.
charityyou are mixing many different things in one pot and and then ask what it could be ?
I don't know ,but this is not how God is working ,the word of God is directed toward the salvation of men (humans)so it as to be understood in that way,
but many do not like the way God save men and so find it ,not to their tast or at their satifaction ,so I say what is it that God own to anyone that he as to repay
?Pierre
oh its a big Pot sir, precept upon precept, you cant start half way threw an expect to understand what has been an how it came to this…
Charityactualy it is an small pot ,it is only big in the eyes of those who do not know what they looking for ,
Pierre
aGREE!. PART AN PARTblood line strife; Governing power. Its all best explained; an understood with out any spiritual context!
Quote (princess @ Nov. 21 2011,06:33) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2011,22:33) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 14 2011,22:00) Hi T, Who taught men to go to war and kill other people in order to take from them what is rightfully theirs?
Tim
Hi Tim,Who gets to decide what is rightful? …you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edj,Why does God give permission to take another's property or life? When it is fully know that one is not to steal or to murder. Why would a people that are protected and loved by God need anything from anyone else?
And should we dare touch base with what the women and children fates were when a tribe was overtaken by God people?
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
Such Jewish thought involved with this, to stay righteous have another do the dirty work, and then give the glory to God.
What was the deciding factor in this, that other tribes would not be breed with Gods people or not to have they faith of these tribes be intertwined with Gods people, so sad, in the long run, that is exactly what happened. So all the children, women and men's blood spilled was for naught?
Perhaps in passing thought Christians or familiar faiths feel this type of ritual or practice should be re-established? Muslims are a bit ahead of the game are they not?
hi princessyou mist the point or the lesson out of the past ,
Islam just pick up the bad and improve it to this day ,
so they both fail but only Islam still a theocracy and look have they solve anything NO I would not live in any of their country's their is sun shine but this is not enough to live from
Pierre
Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 17 2011,05:15) Hi Ed, If I worked to produce or build something for myself,
then I get to decide that it is rightfully mine.
And God is the builder of all things.At most we build out of what God owns.
Quote (charity @ Nov. 17 2011,07:15) FEMALES NOT ALLOWED?
God made man, male and female.Man means mankind.
Eve was man for example.
It just happens that the female sex of mankind has a title called woman to distinguish her. I suppose had males been given aq special title, then some would complain about that too.
Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 17 2011,21:02) Hi Ed, And since God failed at his plan, his only option was to
have the Hebrews go in and murder everyone there.
Is that how it happened?Tim
Tim, when you weed a garden, do you think that the weeds call you evil because you are removing them so other plants can grow.It is not wrong for God to kill after all he will annihilate the wicked/tares among mankind and let the righteous inherit the Earth. It is wrong for us to judge ourselves and take justice into our own hands. If God wasn't just, he would let the garden fill with weeds and the righteous would be snuffed out.
Also, lets say that God allows a culture to live eternally on the Earth that say sacrifices their children to Baal, then perhaps in the big picture there is an element of mercy in that no more souls will grow from that wicked branch. For what chance does a soul have that happens to grow there.
I can tell you that God is the gardener. He tends to the vine and snaps off unfruitful branches just like we do with the vines we tend to. It is easy to judge God and call him evil, but then we do not see the big picture.
I myself trust that God is good and try to live by his commandments. But if we think that God is evil, then he allows us to have that opinion. But I think, what do we know compared to him.
They are all good questions, ones we can go to God with, at least we question, and do not accept things in blindness.
T8 answered it good.
I moved on from that, hope you do too.
The next challenge was “wolves”,
I'm still working on that one.
I like what Mahatma Ghandi said:
“I like your Jesus I do not like your Christians your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Though there are good Christians, 'A little yeast corrupts the whole of the dough”. I can see how that happens.
To add to your last post shimmer.
Many are not aware that Christianity is mostly the result of political power gaining control of adherents to Christ.
When the Roman Empire was in decline, the emperor decided to embrace Christians because they were the only common thread throughout his empire.The result was a false Church that exercised political power and did untold evil.
This is how Rome secretly survived.
The empire may look like it is well gone, but it lived on through the Holy Roman Empire and beyond into the Roman Church.So the sins of this Harlot Woman have been applied to all Christians to this day.
But then mankind is very feeble and not able to see things as they really are.
Jesus said, “thou shalt not murder”.
And “you will know them by their fruits”.We were warned of these times, and even then, man is still blind.
The good news is that a true soul that seeks will find. This will never change.
Many who do not find use many excuses including the track record of those people and organisations who use the name Christian.
Jesus even said, “Many shall say Lord Lord”. And he will reply, “I never knew you”.
Be not deceived. We are smaller than that which we hide behind.
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 20 2011,15:48)
Hi Wit.1. The truth doesn't change, only your perception of truth.
I hope these points answer your questions. If not feel free to ask more; OK?
God has told us what “The Truth” is; when one does not listen, the consequences are our own doing.(Deuteronomy 24:1-4 vs Matthew 5:31-32)
2. No contradiction at all, you need to study a bit more! See Mark 10:5…
For the hardness of your heart he(Moses) wrote you this precept. (Mark 10:5)(Matthew 5:19 vs Galatians 3:11)
3. If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live?
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked;
but that the wicked turn from his way and live. (Ezek.33:10-11) Paul taught repentance!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
2. Not so fast.Deuteronomy 11:27 (reads in part):
“…listen to the commandments of the LORD your God, which I am commanding you today.“That's how Moses described the commandments that followed, including the commandment about divorce. So which is it? Were the commandments in Deuteronomy authored by Moses, as Jesus suggests, or were they authored by God, as Moses suggests?
Who do you believe Jesus or Moses?
3. I don't think there is any dispute that Paul teaches men not to observe the law which is exactly what Jesus taught against in Matthew 5:19. Repentance has nothing to do with it.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 21 2011,02:07)
Tim, when you weed a garden, do you think that the weeds call you evil because you are removing them so other plants can grow.It is not wrong for God to kill after all he will annihilate the wicked/tares among mankind and let the righteous inherit the Earth. It is wrong for us to judge ourselves and take justice into our own hands. If God wasn't just, he would let the garden fill with weeds and the righteous would be snuffed out.
Also, lets say that God allows a culture to live eternally on the Earth that say sacrifices their children to Baal, then perhaps in the big picture there is an element of mercy in that no more souls will grow from that wicked branch. For what chance does a soul have that happens to grow there.
I can tell you that God is the gardener. He tends to the vine and snaps off unfruitful branches just like we do with the vines we tend to. It is easy to judge God and call him evil, but then we do not see the big picture.
I myself trust that God is good and try to live by his commandments. But if we think that God is evil, then he allows us to have that opinion. But I think, what do we know compared to him.
How is this different from blind obedience?If you are willing to suspend judgment of any kind because you “don't know the big picture”, then what would stop you from mistakenly serving an evil god, much like you claim people of other faiths are doing?
If you claim it's all personal revelation, then you have just opened yourself up to be the biggest “spiritual sucker” on the planet. First god to talk to T8 wins!!
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 20 2011,15:48)
Hi Wit.1. The truth doesn't change, only your perception of truth.
I hope these points answer your questions. If not feel free to ask more; OK?
God has told us what “The Truth” is; when one does not listen, the consequences are our own doing.(Deuteronomy 24:1-4 vs Matthew 5:31-32)
2. No contradiction at all, you need to study a bit more! See Mark 10:5…
For the hardness of your heart he(Moses) wrote you this precept. (Mark 10:5)(Matthew 5:19 vs Galatians 3:11)
3. If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live?
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked;
but that the wicked turn from his way and live. (Ezek.33:10-11) Paul taught repentance!Hi WIT,
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 22 2011,02:10) 2. Not so fast. Deuteronomy 11:27 (reads in part):
“…listen to the commandments of the LORD your God, which I am commanding you today.“That's how Moses described the commandments that followed, including the commandment about divorce. So which is it? Were the commandments in Deuteronomy authored by Moses, as Jesus suggests, or were they authored by God, as Moses suggests?
Who do you believe Jesus or Moses?
Did you somehow miss the point I made?
God told Moses(Moshe) to tell them that because
of the hardness of their hearts; you understand this?
That makes them all correct, accept those with hardened hearts.Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 22 2011,02:10) 3. I don't think there is any dispute that Paul teaches men not to observe the law which is exactly what Jesus taught against in Matthew 5:19. Repentance has nothing to do with it.
The Apostle Paul(Shaool) was NOT teaching them to break God's commandments,
he was telling them that the statutes were done away with in Christ, Jesus.
Do understand what that this means, or should I explain it to you?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd,
Oh, I get it now.
God wrote laws to accomodate man's imperfections so that Jesus could fulfill the imperfect laws and do away with them because they were too hard to follow because they represented God's perfect standard that no man could fulfill on his own.
Does that cover it?
I never realized that God was in the habit of lowering his standards to try to win more converts. That's devilishly crafty!
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 22 2011,04:58) Ed, Oh, I get it now.
(1)God wrote laws to accomodate man's imperfections so that Jesus could fulfill the imperfect laws and do away with them because they were too hard to follow because they represented God's perfect standard that no man could fulfill on his own.
(2)Does that cover it?
(3)I never realized that God was in the habit of lowering his standards to try to win more converts. That's devilishly crafty!
Hi WIT,1) Huh? …I know these are English words, but I'm having trouble understanding what you're saying.
Can you make your points plain and simple (and number them if possible) so I can understand them?2) Once you decipher it for me I'll let you know; OK?
3) Jesus died on the cross because we all fell short of the glory of God; do you understand what this means? ..if not let me know; OK?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 22 2011,04:58) Ed, Oh, I get it now.
God wrote laws to accomodate man's imperfections so that Jesus could fulfill the imperfect laws and do away with them because they were too hard to follow because they represented God's perfect standard that no man could fulfill on his own.
Does that cover it?
I never realized that God was in the habit of lowering his standards to try to win more converts. That's devilishly crafty!
Maybe because we are sinners we would not appreciate being saved without knowledge of the law.
If your son didn't know that it was wrong to drive at 150mph and incurs a traffic fine and then you pay the fine, and he never knows it is wrong, then how does that help him?
Will he also not continue to drive fast if there is no understanding of it being wrong or dangerous?
Without the right education there is no appreciation and the reaction ends up with the wrong result.God is wise. He took mankind through stages to eventually reach the point where we can appreciate his salvation and gospel.
Of course there are people that will never appreciate this plan and it is up to each of us to accept it or not.
T8,
Your ability to miss the point is legendary.
Ed,
Never mind.
As I recall, we have done this dance a few times before, and it never ends up being productive.
I should add that sin is imperfection itself.
It is missing the mark, the standard.
So once that happens, you need to be educated as to what the mark is.
Is that education perfect? Well perhaps resolution to fix imperfection needs to address imperfection.
So you could think that the law is imperfect because it is not adequate in itself, but is really only a stage toward perfection.So yes you can think that one part of something is imperfect, but like many things, you need to look at the full picture to understand it.
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