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Quote (Stu @ Nov. 04 2011,14:19) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 03 2011,19:15) God changes not.
Exodus 32:14Stuart
Hi Stuart,That was based on the behavior of others, No change there! …anything else?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (princess @ Nov. 05 2011,08:01) (KJV) And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. nacham (repented/Strongs)
A primitive root; properly to sigh, that is, breathe strongly; by implication to be sorry, that is, (in a favorable sense) to pity, console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself): – comfort (self), ease [one’s self], repent (-er, -ing, self).
…For the Christian it only shows His (being the Christian God) love, grace and mercy.
So in Genesis 6:6 god “repents” in the favourable sense and shows his mercy??Stuart
Prince Stuart,
Good point, however, the definition of repent for Chrisitans is not change. The passage you represent would be consider God to be sorry for what he did. Then again Prince human attributes portrayed by God's makes the God a bit more easier to accept. One can relate to emotions, all humans have them, well most do.
Much love Prince,
PrincessRepetitive mercy.
Prince, I understand full well what you are getting at. However, as Dawkings has taught many on how to handle a Christian, he has never practiced or held onto the faith which in my own, leaves many people such as him lacking for use of a better term in understanding the Christian faith.
What I am finding surprising with you is that you continue to use these elementary tactics. Just because one understands does not mean that one holds the belief of that understanding. The phrase, walk a mile in my shoes should be sufficient for you to understand this matter.
By the by, we went to the zoo today. Caught sight of your ancestors I made sure to tell them you said hello.
Love
PrincessQuote (Stu @ Nov. 05 2011,23:17) So in Genesis 6:6 god “repents” in the favourable sense and shows his mercy?? Stuart
When we repent of our sin, we turn the other way from our sin.
When God repents, it is because he turns from what he was going to do based on the actions of others and that is often because there is remorse or sorrow from the ones whom God was going to judge.e.g., If we do not repent, we will perish.
If we do repent, we will not perish.It is God who allows us to perish and it is God who saves us.
The only change in my example is the person.When we invoke different aspects of his character, such as wrath, mercy, judgement, or love, it is us who are changing, not him.
Quote (Stu @ Nov. 06 2011,05:50) Jeremiah 15:6 Stuart
Hi Stuart,Once again, that is based on the behavior of others, no change there; anything else?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ Nov. 07 2011,11:42) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 05 2011,23:17) So in Genesis 6:6 god “repents” in the favourable sense and shows his mercy?? Stuart
When we repent of our sin, we turn the other way from our sin.
When God repents, it is because he turns from what he was going to do based on the actions of others and that is often because there is remorse or sorrow from the ones whom God was going to judge.e.g., If we do not repent, we will perish.
If we do repent, we will not perish.It is God who allows us to perish and it is God who saves us.
The only change in my example is the person.When we invoke different aspects of his character, such as wrath, mercy, judgement, or love, it is us who are changing, not him.
I would have thought the closest substitute for “repent” in Gen 6:6 would be “regret”.And that follows a statement where the creation is labeled “good”.
Sounds like a change to me.
Stuart
Quote (princess @ Nov. 06 2011,07:34) What I am finding surprising with you is that you continue to use these elementary tactics. Just because one understands does not mean that one holds the belief of that understanding. The phrase, walk a mile in my shoes should be sufficient for you to understand this matter. By the by, we went to the zoo today. Caught sight of your ancestors I made sure to tell them you said hello.
Love
Princess
You might be the only christian posting here regularly whose claim to walk in others' shoes I might take seriously.My ancestors don't live in any zoo.
Stuart
Prince,
Strange you should call me a Christian, for I am not one. I have practiced and studied many religions and I am the furthest from being a Christian.
Thank you for the compliment, I acknowledge the same with you. I agree, I have never taken you for an orangutan, more of a silver back.
I am very aware of the Christian faith and what is taught, as I posted to Tim, a Christian will never admit to their god changing, which is duly noted in the above posts. God threatens, the individual performs a ritual that pacifies and forgiveness is attained and the threat is not carried out.
In all actuality, most religions have such ritual stories, appease the god all is forgiven, no appeasement wrath is to come. Most would compare this to marriage.
Princesse
if God “repent” is it because of what he has done or of what his free will created beings came to do ??
God says what he created was GOOD,so it must have been the behavior of the beings that was not forseen or enticipated ?
when you do good to others it would be unrealistic if they would come to you and slap you in the face ,NO??
this would not be a true reaction to the good revieved ,I believe this is the way to see itGod love his creation and it was all done to enjoye not to destroy ,so sinse they enjoyed destruction God let them have it ,and saved the ones that do not,
and so made an example for future generations ;but wen we look at today men have not learn anything same culture so it will be the same results
Pierre
T,
Hope all is well with you.
By what I have learned the Christian God does not change, however rituals and offerings can deter what He had in mind. The free will that you bring up is a good example, CG (Christian God) gives His creation free will to choose whatever God they want or don't want, when choosing the CG then one must adhere to whatever happens in their life is the Will of this CG, this behavior or thought process is common throughout all religions. Whatever God you choose, then whatever happens is the will of this God and must be accepted no matter what the loss or cost is the the individual, they are not to question anything.
So I am usually taken back when one tells another that their God is the wrong God due to all the definitions are there just the name is different. When a individual believes that their God is the right God then they will protect this God with all they have, that is the individual takes it to their heart and mind.
With your comment that man does not change or learn, the secular version of this would be history always repeats itself.
Destruction by the CG standards is not following His rules that have been laid down by man's choice of who was considered to be a man of this God. The same can be applied with all religions, each has their own prophets or men of their God.
The names just change, the story remains the same.
Quote (Stu @ Nov. 08 2011,17:35) My humblest apologies. Stuart
Prince,There is no need to apologize, thank you none the less. I must apologize for leading you to believe this. I would not ask anyone to cover themselves in the blood of either a god or demi-god or man to attone for their sins.
The blame game is for the weak of heart and mind.
Quote (princess @ Nov. 14 2011,05:29) T, Hope all is well with you.
By what I have learned the Christian God does not change, however rituals and offerings can deter what He had in mind. The free will that you bring up is a good example, CG (Christian God) gives His creation free will to choose whatever God they want or don't want, when choosing the CG then one must adhere to whatever happens in their life is the Will of this CG, this behavior or thought process is common throughout all religions. Whatever God you choose, then whatever happens is the will of this God and must be accepted no matter what the loss or cost is the the individual, they are not to question anything.
So I am usually taken back when one tells another that their God is the wrong God due to all the definitions are there just the name is different. When a individual believes that their God is the right God then they will protect this God with all they have, that is the individual takes it to their heart and mind.
With your comment that man does not change or learn, the secular version of this would be history always repeats itself.
Destruction by the CG standards is not following His rules that have been laid down by man's choice of who was considered to be a man of this God. The same can be applied with all religions, each has their own prophets or men of their God.
The names just change, the story remains the same.
hi princessI hope all is good with you and your ,
to answer your many arguments I will try to do what I know for sure,
first the CG,as you call him,is the only true God ,why do I say this ?lets go with the bible from the beginning where creation takes place ,witch god others than the true God make things and then create a garden of eden to finally create and put his top creation in it ? no other gods ever did that ,in this we can see the intention that the CG is full of love for what he ad create has beings,but yes free will was given to men ,but the question did they use it with intelligence ?it seems to be no,
and as we go down into history we see that there is a difference between the men that are approved by that CG compered to all other gods (men made or others )even in the nation that he chose it seems quite clear that it was righteousness that he was looking for in men not corruption in both carnal or spirit and heart ,so that he can keep the soul of men alive ,and out of judgement ,
there is no other god in the universe that had and is doing for men than the CG(Christian God)
but in his word many men have found peace in their soul but also many men have found their personal gain for exploitation of others as well,and in this the truth of the CG as been drawn in the mud and righteousness as been found to not a way to pursue in live ,because wickedness (ways of men )has become more attractive with all the glory of the flesh for a temporary time,the CG offers everlasting live to the righteous ,for those who love him and his ways ,but only but a few are taking this way ,and so only a few do understand scriptures the way it has to be understood , but all can reach for it and would understand it if their hearts would be in the truth of the CG who his the only true God Jehovah
I do not follow religion ,but i do follow scriptures and love the God of the scriptures ,
I have learn the ways of men I am 71 years old ,and I remember what it was when I was 10 years old this is the 50 ts now ,did men improve his situation on the planet ??
we (men) have come to the brinks of calamity sins then ,
we have learn nothing from the two previous wars 14/45/ look at the world and the powers of country's sins then,it is a mess ,who is to blame the gods
no only men own corruption .Quote The same can be applied with all religions, each has their own prophets or men of their God. The names just change, the story remains the same.
NO, the same does not apply to the God of scriptures and his prophets are not the same than from other gods (men made or other) the truth about the CG has been written long ago and never changed and will not change ,and their is no men in charge over his truth ,what is written is what it is ,the truth from 3000 years ago still the truth today ,this is the truth that i like ,men's truth only lives as long has the men who install it lives so this mean it was only this men truth ,
and princess the way you talked to me I use to think that as well ,but I did my research and read the bible and took notice my self of what it says in it about the CG and no let thing others whit their opinions to show me their falls truth .
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 14 2011,02:36) we (men) have come to the brinks of calamity sins then ,
we have learn nothing from the two previous wars 14/45/ look at the world and the powers of country's sins then,it is a mess ,who is to blame the gods no only men own corruption .Pierre
Hi T,Who taught men to go to war and kill other people in order to take from them what is rightfully theirs?
Exd 32:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, [and] go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour
Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 15 2011,05:00) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 14 2011,02:36) we (men) have come to the brinks of calamity sins then ,
we have learn nothing from the two previous wars 14/45/ look at the world and the powers of country's sins then,it is a mess ,who is to blame the gods no only men own corruption .Pierre
Hi T,Who taught men to go to war and kill other people in order to take from them what is rightfully theirs?
Exd 32:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, [and] go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour
Tim
TimEx 32:26 So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the LORD, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.
Ex 32:27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’ ”
Ex 32:28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.
Ex 32:29 Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”
Ex 32:30 The next day Moses said to the people, “You have committed a great sin. But now I will go up to the LORD? perhaps I can make atonement for your sin.”Ex 32:13 Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac and Israel, to whom you swore by your own self: ‘I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and I will give your descendants all this land I promised them, and it will be their inheritance forever.’ ”
it is Moses who give the order in the name of God ,but it was the “Whoever is for the LORD, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him. who did the killing,
do you think that this is similar to the wars men have today ?
which of the nations have today a covenant with God
Quote Who taught men to go to war and kill other people in order to take from them what is rightfully theirs? What is it that belong to you to us that his so rightfully ours
Pierre
do you think Mose's felt guilty when he stopped to think about abraham's promise, relies as many as the stars in the heavens, wow what stands out a mile ..is Moses blamed the solder's for killing there brother's on his command..
He brakes the 6th commandment an goeth on to dish up loads of death sentences for sin…sin on the brain!
Jesus killing was a breach of the sixth commandment, an active of sacrifice.
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