- This topic is empty.
- Posts
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 30 2010,14:24) Quote (martian @ Aug. 30 2010,14:10) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 30 2010,12:22) Quote (martian @ Aug. 30 2010,04:26) It seems that many missed the point. To sin or hinder the plan or purposes of God is sin agains the moving of God on his creation (holy Spirit). This would include the Trinitarians and the pre-existers. They hinder the work of God.
Hi Martian,Think carefully and deeply about what you are presenting here!
Are you implying that those who believe in either preexistence or
the trinity are (falsely) guilty of blaspheming against the HolySpirit?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No I am not saying they are “falsely” guilty. I am saying they are guilty
Hi Martian,I say it is falsely what you are saying.
To blaspheme the “HolySpirit” is to reject the “HolySpirit” as God! (Click Here)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
OK, you have aligned yourself with some crack pot doctrine. What's your point?Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 30 2010,14:29) Quote (martian @ Aug. 30 2010,14:10) I am saying they are guilty
Hi Martian,Rev.12:10: And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation,
and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the
accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. (Click Here)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Yes as a Trinitarian you should pay very close attention to the verse you posted. I am glad you know it. there may be hope for you yet.Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 30 2010,20:33) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 30 2010,14:55) EDJ……………….look up the word to Blaspheme first OK. To blaspheme to to speak out against something in a hostile manner. IMO And martian is right people who push the Trinity and Preexistence are guilty of Sinning against the Truth of GOD. IMO
peace and love………………..gene
Hi Gene,The bible doesn't say anything about no preexistence.
You are putting to much credence into your opinions?
You should use your “Free Will” to learn Bible Truth”!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Matt.5:44)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So you believe in the pre-existence based on what the bible does not say? Duh!!!! try again.Hi Martian,
Who said I was a Trinitarian?
So there is only hope for those who believe as you do?Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 31 2010,01:07) Hi Martian, Who said I was a Trinitarian?
So there is only hope for those who believe as you do?
I meant that to be trinitarian in general not you in particular. You do believe the pre-existence do you not? If so then you are partially in the Trinity since that is the genesis of the pre-existence.
And no what I believe is not important but the truth as it fits in the plan of God is the standard. Truth that produces good fruit is the standard.
Truth that does not negate ANY PART of the mission of Christ is the standard. Truth that does not draw into question the character of God is the standard. Neither the Trinity or the Pre-existence can fit into those categories.Quote (martian @ Aug. 29 2010,03:36) Scripture says that sins against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
Mt 12:32 –
“Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
What are those sins?
First of all let’s dispense with the nonsense that the Holy Spirit is a person of God. I am not even going to entertain That Constantinian Greek Philosophy. There are many references that define “The Holy Spirit” as the third person of the Trinity, however this is what the word has come to mean over centuries of doctrinal influence and not what the actual meaning is from the language of the time. It has become known from a doctrinal standpoint instead of the actual language definition.
The definition of “spirit” in both the Hebrew and the Greek is wind or breath.
The ancient Hebrews were concrete thinkers. They related everything to what they could hear, see, smell, taste and touch. God was invisible but they could see his working in his creation. In the same way they could not see the wind but they could see its effects on the world around them.
So what is this effect we see that we define as the Holy Spirit. Simply put it is God working within and upon his creation to complete and fulfill his purpose and plan for that same creation. In other words it is both the power behind the plan of God and the plan itself.
A sin against the Holy Spirit is a sin that countermands the purpose and plan of God.
There are several doctrines that are blindly batted about here that do just that. They (in part) negate the pure, perfect, and simple example of Christ for humanity or they undermine and misrepresent the character of God as he is revealed to us.
These doctrines have been called Anti-Christ from time to time but in truth they are worst then that.
martianThe Holy Spirit is God's mind, his Holy Mind/Spirit, not at all a person, just as you said.
The Holy Spirit was given at pentecost, as Jesus had promised; that does not mean, every body has the Holy Spirit; many do claim they do however, to impress people, and to get more credibility.
God is very choosy to whom he gives his Spirit. To receive his Holy Spirit is to be let in all truth and understanding.
Once you have experienced the joy of understanding, and should you THEN turn from it and go to your old ways of sin again, there is then no more forgiveness for you, as you have trampled on the blood/sacrifice of Christ.
That is the unpardonable sin.Georg
Quote (martian @ Aug. 31 2010,01:02) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 30 2010,14:24) Quote (martian @ Aug. 30 2010,14:10) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 30 2010,12:22) Quote (martian @ Aug. 30 2010,04:26) It seems that many missed the point. To sin or hinder the plan or purposes of God is sin agains the moving of God on his creation (holy Spirit). This would include the Trinitarians and the pre-existers. They hinder the work of God.
Hi Martian,Think carefully and deeply about what you are presenting here!
Are you implying that those who believe in either preexistence or
the trinity are (falsely) guilty of blaspheming against the HolySpirit?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No I am not saying they are “falsely” guilty. I am saying they are guilty
Hi Martian,I say it is falsely what you are saying.
To blaspheme the “HolySpirit” is to reject the “HolySpirit” as God! (Click Here)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
OK, you have aligned yourself with some crack pot doctrine. What's your point?
Hi Martian,Are you saying that you don't aligned yourself with this doctrine…
John 3:5-6 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot
enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh
is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.To refuse to be born again is to reject the HolySpirit as God! (Eph.4:4-6)
Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord,
one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who
is above all, and through all, and in you all.Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote The Holy Spirit is God's mind, his Holy Mind/Spirit, this cannot be ;the MIND of any being never leaves him ,but what is spoken or written under the direction of that spirit may be than so that it takes the same spirit to understand it ,this is why the apostles recieved the holy spirit so they could understand what was written into the scriptures long ago,for their benefit and time
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
