Signs in the heavens

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Gen 1
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

We should read the bible, especially Revelation, with this in mind.

Remember the pagan mystics-the maji- found the Christ when the jewish people were unable to do so.

Revelation 15:1
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Rev12
1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Some say this alignment of the constellations and the moon occurred in 1997

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Remember also the sign of the Son of man is to appear in the sky.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Revelation 15:1
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Could this relate to a sign in Pleiades, the Seven Sisters, which appears in scripture?

Job 9:9
Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south.
Job 38:31
Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
Amos 5:8
Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name:

[NickHassan]

Hi,
The Maji understood to some degree the relevance of the heavenly signs regarding a king. Herod knew it was the Christ and attempted to prevent an imagined threat to his kingdom. The Jews knew also it related to the Christ and the location of Christ's birth from scripture study.

Matt 2
1Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

3When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.

4And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

5And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,

6And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

7Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.

8And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

9When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.

10When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.

11And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

2Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

[Irene]

Hi Nick

What exactly are you saying, or asking?

IM4Truth

[Not3in1]

Quote (Irene @ June 30 2008,11:05)

Hi Nick What exactly are you saying, or asking? IM4Truth

I took a second look when I saw, “IM4TRUTH” on the signature line.

Hi Georg! I sure wish you would contribute more on a regular basis here. I know you don't like to “argue” and that seems to be what we do a lot here, but it would be nice to have your input.

Anyway, have a nice evening,
Mandy

[Irene]

Mandy! Did you see all the post's that He made. I was surprised at that. He is very much involved in prophecy, that is His favorite subject.
Irene

[dirtyknections]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 17 2008,07:02)

Hi, Revelation 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. Could this relate to a sign in Pleiades, the Seven Sisters, which appears in scripture? Job 9:9 Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south. Job 38:31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Amos 5:8 Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name:

Honestly..I have no idea if it relates to that particular constellation…I am going to have to research this…

[Irene]

Hi Mandy, thank you.

Nick, I wonder what you are trying to get started here?
I give you more credit than to think that you believe the signs in heaven, the bible speaks of, has anything to do with the alignment of any constellation or planets.

Rev. 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

We know that a woman is symbolic for a church. This woman was the church in the wilderness, Israel.
Clothed with the sun; the sun is the source of light; light is also symbolic for truth.
Moses received the light, truth, directly from God in the tent, he became the sun.
The moon too is symbolic, he has no light of his own, he reflects the light of the sun.
This moon represents the Levitical priesthood.
Moses, the sun, passed on the light, truth, to the priests, moon, who then went out into the camp and reflected the light, taught the truth to the woman, covered her with the light.
Her crown of twelve stars are the twelve tribes.
Rev. 15:1 tells you what the sign is, seven angels waiting to pour out God's wrath on the earth, people.
Why would you suggest to keep Gen. 1:14 in mind when reading revelation?    

IM4Truth

This is my Husbands Post, please notice. Irene

[Proclaimer]

The woman is identified in the OT.

Revelation 12:1
A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.

Genesis 37:9-11
9 Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.”

10 When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, “What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?” 11 His brothers were jealous of him, but his father kept the matter in mind.

[Irene]

t8, “the woman is identified in the O.T.”

So, who is she?

IM4Truth

[Irene]

I guess you don't know.

IM4Truth

[942767]

Quote (Irene @ July 09 2008,14:07)

t8, “the woman is identified in the O.T.” So, who is she? IM4Truth

Hi Mrs:

The Woman is the Nation of Israel clothed with the sun (clothed in righteousness) and the moon under her feet (sin under her feet) and a crown of twelve stars on her head (the twelve tribes or the twelve apostles).

[Irene]

Quote (Irene @ June 30 2008,22:40)

Hi Mandy, thank you. Nick, I wonder what you are trying to get started here? I give you more credit than to think that you believe the signs in heaven, the bible speaks of, has anything to do with the alignment of any constellation or planets. Rev. 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: We know that a woman is symbolic for a church. This woman was the church in the wilderness, Israel. Clothed with the sun; the sun is the source of light; light is also symbolic for truth. Moses received the light, truth, directly from God in the tent, he became the sun. The moon too is symbolic, he has no light of his own, he reflects the light of the sun. This moon represents the Levitical priesthood. Moses, the sun, passed on the light, truth, to the priests, moon, who then went out into the camp and reflected the light, taught the truth to the woman, covered her with the light. Her crown of twelve stars are the twelve tribes. Rev. 15:1 tells you what the sign is, seven angels waiting to pour out God's wrath on the earth, people. Why would you suggest to keep Gen. 1:14 in mind when reading revelation?     IM4Truth

This is my Husbands Post, please notice. Irene

[NickHassan]

Hi Mrs,
Why?
Because it is the way of scripture.
Daniel 6:27
He delivereth and rescueth, and he worketh signs and wonders in heaven and in earth, who hath delivered Daniel from the power of the lions.

Luke 21:11
And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

Acts 2:19
And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

[Irene]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2008,08:08)

Hi Mrs, Why? Because it is the way of scripture. Daniel 6:27 He delivereth and rescueth, and he worketh signs and wonders in heaven and in earth, who hath delivered Daniel from the power of the lions. Luke 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. Acts 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

Can you read, Nick? The post is from my Husband. Irene

[NickHassan]

Hi Georg,
The post is to you c\o Irene.

[Irene]

You know Nick, you and t8 throw a bunch of scriptures out there like you're feeding piranhas, just to see how bad they get tore up.
Why don't you explain yourselves so that the rest of us can follow you.
It seems to me , it is more important to you to put your name on as many slots as possible, then to make sense. It would be so much more enjoyable, and profitable, if you could be more serious. the rest of us try to be.
Any one that goes to class, goes there to learn, you don't argue the things you don't understand or agree with, you reason. I came to this side because I thought I could learn, and share, not to argue, that's vanity and don't profit no one.

Georg

[NickHassan]

Hi Georg,
We are not experts but just simple honest searchers.
We can always offer explanations when asked, but stimulating research by all is more profitable to God's kingdom by bringing forward new teachers equipped in the ability to find truth than any dry didactic approach.

[gollamudi]

Quote (Irene @ July 15 2008,01:18)

You know Nick, you and t8 throw a bunch of scriptures out there like you're feeding piranhas, just to see how bad they get tore up. Why don't you explain yourselves so that the rest of us can follow you. It seems to me , it is more important to you to put your name on as many slots as possible, then to make sense. It would be so much more enjoyable, and profitable, if you could be more serious. the rest of us try to be. Any one that goes to class, goes there to learn, you don't argue the things you don't understand or agree with, you reason. I came to this side because I thought I could learn, and share, not to argue, that's vanity and don't profit no one. Georg

I agree, if our brother Nick honestly explains us about the scriptures he often quotes then there will not be any friction with brothers.
Thanks
Adam

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