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Hi KJ,
This is where you do find hope-on earth.
Faith tells us what the future holds for all after death.
We can partake now of the hope that is written or take our chances.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 29 2008,00:00) Hi Stu,
Not so.
You imagine spite-could it be your paranoia?
Children frolic but adults often ponder deeper and more important things.Proverbs 28:19
He who tills his land will have plenty of food,But he who follows empty pursuits will have poverty in plenty.
Ecc 3:12 I know that there is nothing better for them than to rejoice and to do good in one's lifetime;
Ecc 3:13 moreover, that every man who eats and drinks sees good in all his labor–it is the gift of God.Ecc 3:22 I have seen that nothing is better than that man should be happy in his activities, for that is his lot. For who will bring him to see what will occur after him?
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 29 2008,02:40) Nick you give credit for medicine to a being for which there is no evidence. I give the credit to those who used evidence to develop the medicine. The greeks deserve the original credit, along with some who followed islam. Sadly christianity was a philosophical backwater for a long time because of the christian doctrines. Stuart
Hehe, isn't it ironic that some of the best physicians are Jewish
?Hi KJ,
He was also the one that understood death and the need to find the fountain of life because the rope at the well of natural life breaks and the bucket falls at death.
Ecc12
6Remember Him before the silver cord is broken and the golden bowl is crushed, the pitcher by the well is shattered and the wheel at the cistern is crushed;7then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.
Jesus is that fountain of the eternal life in the Spirit.
Jn7
.37In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 29 2008,15:50) Hi KJ,
He was also the one that understood death and the need to find the fountain of life because the rope at the well of natural life breaks and the bucket falls at death.Ecc12
6Remember Him before the silver cord is broken and the golden bowl is crushed, the pitcher by the well is shattered and the wheel at the cistern is crushed;7then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.
Jesus is that fountain of the eternal life in the Spirit.
Jn7
.37In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
The Preacher didn't know a thing about Jesus.Hi KJ,
You are right.
But God did when he gave us the whole bible.
An amazingly comprehensive and integrated work of beauty.Quote (kejonn @ Mar. 29 2008,21:36) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 29 2008,02:40) Nick you give credit for medicine to a being for which there is no evidence. I give the credit to those who used evidence to develop the medicine. The greeks deserve the original credit, along with some who followed islam. Sadly christianity was a philosophical backwater for a long time because of the christian doctrines. Stuart
Hehe, isn't it ironic that some of the best physicians are Jewish?
But no real surprise. The Jewish respose to the Enlightenment was to make the most of a new opportunity to interact and embrace secular knowledge. Contrast that cultural attitude with the US where a frightening percentage of medical graduates reject the unifying principle of biology, or Catholic doctors or pharmacists who will not even refer patients on to other physicians for emergency contraception or abortion, or the islamic doctors who cannot treat blind patients who bring their guide dogs into the surgery.Stuart
Hi GB,
You said this in another thread
Dk…..we have supported this position with many scriptures and who is it you call it Philosophy when many scriptures are used to support it as well as sound logic. And there is nothing wrong with Philosophy if its support with the truth. I notice you and a few others use that when ever you cant reason around whats said. And you make it sound like what you produce is not a philosophy and a false one at that.Hmmm
Hi Gb,
Have you read this verse?
Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2008,13:50) Hi Gb,
Have you read this verse?
Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
Isn't that just Paul's own philosophy?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 01 2008,21:10) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2008,13:50) Hi Gb,
Have you read this verse?
Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
Isn't that just Paul's own philosophy?Stuart
that would probably be your philosophy…
blessings.
KenQuote (epistemaniac @ July 10 2008,11:35) Quote (Stu @ July 01 2008,21:10) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2008,13:50) Hi Gb,
Have you read this verse?
Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
Isn't that just Paul's own philosophy?Stuart
that would probably be your philosophy…blessings.
Ken
It could well be my view that Saul of Tarsus saw himself as becoming Christ II (or to go by the lack of probity for the existence of Jesus, possibly Christ I), except that if there was a Jesus, his message whatever it was is lost in the noise of Paul's ranting.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 10 2008,15:08) Quote (epistemaniac @ July 10 2008,11:35) Quote (Stu @ July 01 2008,21:10) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2008,13:50) Hi Gb,
Have you read this verse?
Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
Isn't that just Paul's own philosophy?Stuart
that would probably be your philosophy…blessings.
Ken
It could well be my view that Saul of Tarsus saw himself as becoming Christ II (or to go by the lack of probity for the existence of Jesus, possibly Christ I), except that if there was a Jesus, his message whatever it was is lost in the noise of Paul's ranting.Stuart
thats just your philosophy, I do not find it compelling…. just rantings of your own… but thanks for sharing…Quote (epistemaniac @ July 12 2008,07:30) Quote (Stu @ July 10 2008,15:08) Quote (epistemaniac @ July 10 2008,11:35) Quote (Stu @ July 01 2008,21:10) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2008,13:50) Hi Gb,
Have you read this verse?
Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
Isn't that just Paul's own philosophy?Stuart
that would probably be your philosophy…blessings.
Ken
It could well be my view that Saul of Tarsus saw himself as becoming Christ II (or to go by the lack of probity for the existence of Jesus, possibly Christ I), except that if there was a Jesus, his message whatever it was is lost in the noise of Paul's ranting.Stuart
thats just your philosophy, I do not find it compelling…. just rantings of your own… but thanks for sharing…
EpistemaniacRegarding the way Paul reinvented christianity, having never met Jesus (if that were possible to do at all), where does all this come from?
1 Cor 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
2 Cor 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
(Rather makes a mockery of the ‘objectivity’ of apologists: can any of them be trusted?)
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
(What a conceited dictator of Paulianity, um do I mean christianity?).
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
(What does this rant against vegetarianism have to do with christian philosophy?)
Just a small sample – the revelation of the resurrected Jesus (as Paul claimed) or zealous political ranting? As Paul says you cannot question Paul I suppose there is no point in asking you.
Stuart
Okay, Paul, or actually Saul of Tarsus the tent-maker. Was a Jewish person, he was also stable in his basic theology. He knew about Christ, and he started killing Christians, until he saw that Christ was who he said he was and Paul was then filled with knowledge from above and sound Christian Theology, why would Paul lie? Did you know he died in a prison for his new faith? If he believed it was false why did he die for it?
Quote (Theologian-and-Apologist @ July 14 2008,13:10) Okay, Paul, or actually Saul of Tarsus the tent-maker. Was a Jewish person, he was also stable in his basic theology. He knew about Christ, and he started killing Christians, until he saw that Christ was who he said he was and Paul was then filled with knowledge from above and sound Christian Theology, why would Paul lie? Did you know he died in a prison for his new faith? If he believed it was false why did he die for it?
Why do suicide bombers blow themselves up?Stuart
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